All Blacks vs Tonga

Machpants

Hard to take much from that. Pat T lasts 80, which is great. Bender didn't look too slow. Plenty of choice 11-15.

Josh Ioane will play plenty of tests. Cultured boot and lovely hands (better than BB).
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Boks will be whole new ballgame.

True but our performance against Tonga was better than Boks vs Japan. Doesn't mean anything but better than the other way around

ACT Crusader

@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@pakman said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

Hard to take much from that. Pat T lasts 80, which is great. Bender didn't look too slow. Plenty of choice 11-15.

Josh Ioane will play plenty of tests. Cultured boot and lovely hands (better than BB).
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Boks will be whole new ballgame.

True but our performance against Tonga was better than Boks vs Japan. Doesn't mean anything but better than the other way around

If the ABs had only won 41-7 or 34-15, we wouldn’t hear the end of it

Salacious Crumb

@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

Still listening to the conference, Hansen very grumpy, back to bad old Hansen

His jab at the press at the 6:12 mark was awesome. Calls them out for being lazy boring useless time-wasters.

Bones

@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@Frank said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

Patty T monstering other forwards

I've a feeling Pat T could well be a sleeper this RWC.

He seems to have matured with responsibility with the Blues and was bloody impressive against the Shackledraggers in Bled II

They’ve said they have his game day nutrition sorted. His energy levels during the game have improved as a result.

Has been great watching him smash people and move bodies at the ruck. Think he has surpassed Barrett now.

Good timing with Brodie out.

There was a moment from a kick chase where an AB missile came flying over the resulting ruck. Tuipulotu gets up looking hungry and rushes back to pillar, eyes up. Not seen that before. Was awesome.

Victor Meldrew

@pakman said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

He'll start in a fortnight.

Dunno about starting the big games, but I'm way less worried about injuries to Sam & Brodie.

pakman

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@pakman said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

He'll start in a fortnight.

Dunno about starting the big games, but I'm way less worried about injuries to Sam & Brodie.

BBBR wont be ready for Boks.

booboo

@Higgins said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

Is there a reason for the blue and orange (tape?) boots?

Or the black lines on the field. Looks like they might have forgotten to do them earlier and found some diesel and a stray paint brush and painted them on as a quick fix.

Loved the creosote look.

booboo

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

Get Todd off the field. Has the impact of soggy Weet-Bix. Pat T carrying on from rhe Bledisloe game. Big impact on defence.

I swung wildly throughout on Todd. He'd get smashed on the carry then win a turnover 30seconds later.

Worthy of his spot but definitely behind Cane & Ardie.

booboo

@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

“Look at the strides he takes afterwards”

He was getting the kicking tee you doofus

Best laugh of the day and worth repeating just to mock Marshall.

booboo

@Sneakdefreak said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

Turn on Prime TV and see George Bridge scoring off the first kick off of the second half.

Is there a mercy rule?

Play the last 15 one man short

booboo

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

TBH, the coaches can't have learned anything from this match.

Really? Think they did some good stuff they'll build on. Particularly early. Later on, not so much.

booboo

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

What’s the world record?

128 ?

145 is ABs record.

booboo

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

What’s the world record?

128 ?

164 apparently. Hong Kong v Singapore.

Thanks to @Kirwan for alerting me to the below stats site.

http://stats.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/records/team/most_points_match.html?id=1;type=class

booboo

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@Gunner said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

Who was our last NZ European regular left winger?

So excluding Scott Hamilton’s lone test...?

Kirwan ?

Right.

Craig Green?

@kiwiinmelb @Gunner

I'll play.

I'll see Nepia's Craig Green and raise you a Terry Wright.

booboo

@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

That's not a YC ffs

I think it probably is from the end on shot - but for the game he should have sent two ABs off as well.

Terrible call -- he was pulling out and put a hand out to soften the impact. Just in no way a yellow.

Referees are going to cost some teams at this cup, and it's going to suck.

I thought it was fair.

booboo

@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

Taking a player out in the air.

from the IRB

https://laws.worldrugby.org/?domain=9&guideline=8&language=EN

looks to be a penalty - but I think they got the YC/RC call right (assuming it's not strict liability)

Challenging players in the air - Law 10.4(i)
Play on – Fair challenge with both players in a realistic position to catch the ball. Even if the player(s) land(s) dangerously, play on

Penalty only – Fair challenge with wrong timing - No pulling down
Yellow card – Not a fair challenge, there is no contest and the player is pulled down landing on his back or side
Red card – It’s not a fair challenge with no contest, whilst being a reckless or deliberate foul play action and the player lands in a dangerous position

Correct call. No penalty so restart with a scrum.

Was penalty at worst.

booboo

@hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

That's not a YC ffs

I think it probably is from the end on shot - but for the game he should have sent two ABs off as well.

Terrible call -- he was pulling out and put a hand out to soften the impact. Just in no way a yellow.

Referees are going to cost some teams at this cup, and it's going to suck.

He hit him with the shoulder even while pulling out. I don't disagree that refs will cost teams but by the letter of the law it's yellow.

Probably - I'd argue little force and pulling out - but to me shows how refs don't seem to have 'feel' for the game any more. I don't think that's the sort of tackle that was intended to be carded, no matter how the laws are written.

I think Gardner does and this decision just now shows that.

I disagree with Marshall. For me, that's still a penalty and possibly yellow card - the precedent was that bloke who slipped while taking off a year or two back and still copped it. I think the Tongans were right.

Not a red, but I don't think it was a scrum either for that matter

That one was either scrum Tonga or red card Jordie Barrett. Laws of the rugby don't give you any grey area. As soon as Jordie commits a foul, it all comes down to how the player lands.

See above quoted post.

booboo

@Salacious-Crumb said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

Still listening to the conference, Hansen very grumpy, back to bad old Hansen

His jab at the press at the 6:12 mark was awesome. Calls them out for being lazy boring useless time-wasters.

Didn't think his reactions were all that necessary.

What are the questions they should have been asking?

hydro11

@booboo said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Tonga:

That's not a YC ffs

I think it probably is from the end on shot - but for the game he should have sent two ABs off as well.

Terrible call -- he was pulling out and put a hand out to soften the impact. Just in no way a yellow.

Referees are going to cost some teams at this cup, and it's going to suck.

He hit him with the shoulder even while pulling out. I don't disagree that refs will cost teams but by the letter of the law it's yellow.

Probably - I'd argue little force and pulling out - but to me shows how refs don't seem to have 'feel' for the game any more. I don't think that's the sort of tackle that was intended to be carded, no matter how the laws are written.

I think Gardner does and this decision just now shows that.

I disagree with Marshall. For me, that's still a penalty and possibly yellow card - the precedent was that bloke who slipped while taking off a year or two back and still copped it. I think the Tongans were right.

Not a red, but I don't think it was a scrum either for that matter

That one was either scrum Tonga or red card Jordie Barrett. Laws of the rugby don't give you any grey area. As soon as Jordie commits a foul, it all comes down to how the player lands.

See above quoted post.

I don't think that could be described as a fair challenge. Jordie did not get in a position to fairly challenge for the ball. Only thing that saves Jordie is the trip but either way it is not a fair challenge.

mariner4life

Hilariously one sided. A great display of bruise free attacking rugby. I'm sure they had a heap of fun though.

Tonga with zero linespeed and it only took a couple of passes for their entire system to break down. Naively threw numbers at too many rucks too.

Barrett running on to the ball makes us look so good. His kicking from hand is very ordinary though.
Watched Patty T a bit, he was fucking good. Smashing dudes, but also working hard to keep being in a position to make a difference.
Todd is good over the ball, and a nice link player, but shouldn't be hitting the ball up. Like ever.
Great to see the low numbers running and passing with confidence.
Defensive alignment very good.
ALB the best midfielder in the country and needs to start.

The Silver Fern

All Blacks vs Tonga