All Blacks vs Tonga
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Taking a player out in the air.
from the IRB
https://laws.worldrugby.org/?domain=9&guideline=8&language=EN
looks to be a penalty - but I think they got the YC/RC call right (assuming it's not strict liability)
Challenging players in the air - Law 10.4(i)
Play on – Fair challenge with both players in a realistic position to catch the ball. Even if the player(s) land(s) dangerously, play onPenalty only – Fair challenge with wrong timing - No pulling down
Yellow card – Not a fair challenge, there is no contest and the player is pulled down landing on his back or side
Red card – It’s not a fair challenge with no contest, whilst being a reckless or deliberate foul play action and the player lands in a dangerous position@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Taking a player out in the air.
from the IRB
https://laws.worldrugby.org/?domain=9&guideline=8&language=EN
looks to be a penalty - but I think they got the YC/RC call right (assuming it's not strict liability)
Challenging players in the air - Law 10.4(i)
Play on – Fair challenge with both players in a realistic position to catch the ball. Even if the player(s) land(s) dangerously, play onPenalty only – Fair challenge with wrong timing - No pulling down
Yellow card – Not a fair challenge, there is no contest and the player is pulled down landing on his back or side
Red card – It’s not a fair challenge with no contest, whilst being a reckless or deliberate foul play action and the player lands in a dangerous positionCorrect call. No penalty so restart with a scrum.
Was penalty at worst.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
That's not a YC ffs
I think it probably is from the end on shot - but for the game he should have sent two ABs off as well.
Terrible call -- he was pulling out and put a hand out to soften the impact. Just in no way a yellow.
Referees are going to cost some teams at this cup, and it's going to suck.
He hit him with the shoulder even while pulling out. I don't disagree that refs will cost teams but by the letter of the law it's yellow.
Probably - I'd argue little force and pulling out - but to me shows how refs don't seem to have 'feel' for the game any more. I don't think that's the sort of tackle that was intended to be carded, no matter how the laws are written.
I think Gardner does and this decision just now shows that.
I disagree with Marshall. For me, that's still a penalty and possibly yellow card - the precedent was that bloke who slipped while taking off a year or two back and still copped it. I think the Tongans were right.
Not a red, but I don't think it was a scrum either for that matter
That one was either scrum Tonga or red card Jordie Barrett. Laws of the rugby don't give you any grey area. As soon as Jordie commits a foul, it all comes down to how the player lands.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
That's not a YC ffs
I think it probably is from the end on shot - but for the game he should have sent two ABs off as well.
Terrible call -- he was pulling out and put a hand out to soften the impact. Just in no way a yellow.
Referees are going to cost some teams at this cup, and it's going to suck.
He hit him with the shoulder even while pulling out. I don't disagree that refs will cost teams but by the letter of the law it's yellow.
Probably - I'd argue little force and pulling out - but to me shows how refs don't seem to have 'feel' for the game any more. I don't think that's the sort of tackle that was intended to be carded, no matter how the laws are written.
I think Gardner does and this decision just now shows that.
I disagree with Marshall. For me, that's still a penalty and possibly yellow card - the precedent was that bloke who slipped while taking off a year or two back and still copped it. I think the Tongans were right.
Not a red, but I don't think it was a scrum either for that matter
That one was either scrum Tonga or red card Jordie Barrett. Laws of the rugby don't give you any grey area. As soon as Jordie commits a foul, it all comes down to how the player lands.
See above quoted post.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Still listening to the conference, Hansen very grumpy, back to bad old Hansen
His jab at the press at the 6:12 mark was awesome. Calls them out for being lazy boring useless time-wasters.
@Salacious-Crumb said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Still listening to the conference, Hansen very grumpy, back to bad old Hansen
His jab at the press at the 6:12 mark was awesome. Calls them out for being lazy boring useless time-wasters.
Didn't think his reactions were all that necessary.
What are the questions they should have been asking?
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
That's not a YC ffs
I think it probably is from the end on shot - but for the game he should have sent two ABs off as well.
Terrible call -- he was pulling out and put a hand out to soften the impact. Just in no way a yellow.
Referees are going to cost some teams at this cup, and it's going to suck.
He hit him with the shoulder even while pulling out. I don't disagree that refs will cost teams but by the letter of the law it's yellow.
Probably - I'd argue little force and pulling out - but to me shows how refs don't seem to have 'feel' for the game any more. I don't think that's the sort of tackle that was intended to be carded, no matter how the laws are written.
I think Gardner does and this decision just now shows that.
I disagree with Marshall. For me, that's still a penalty and possibly yellow card - the precedent was that bloke who slipped while taking off a year or two back and still copped it. I think the Tongans were right.
Not a red, but I don't think it was a scrum either for that matter
That one was either scrum Tonga or red card Jordie Barrett. Laws of the rugby don't give you any grey area. As soon as Jordie commits a foul, it all comes down to how the player lands.
See above quoted post.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
That's not a YC ffs
I think it probably is from the end on shot - but for the game he should have sent two ABs off as well.
Terrible call -- he was pulling out and put a hand out to soften the impact. Just in no way a yellow.
Referees are going to cost some teams at this cup, and it's going to suck.
He hit him with the shoulder even while pulling out. I don't disagree that refs will cost teams but by the letter of the law it's yellow.
Probably - I'd argue little force and pulling out - but to me shows how refs don't seem to have 'feel' for the game any more. I don't think that's the sort of tackle that was intended to be carded, no matter how the laws are written.
I think Gardner does and this decision just now shows that.
I disagree with Marshall. For me, that's still a penalty and possibly yellow card - the precedent was that bloke who slipped while taking off a year or two back and still copped it. I think the Tongans were right.
Not a red, but I don't think it was a scrum either for that matter
That one was either scrum Tonga or red card Jordie Barrett. Laws of the rugby don't give you any grey area. As soon as Jordie commits a foul, it all comes down to how the player lands.
See above quoted post.
I don't think that could be described as a fair challenge. Jordie did not get in a position to fairly challenge for the ball. Only thing that saves Jordie is the trip but either way it is not a fair challenge.
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Hilariously one sided. A great display of bruise free attacking rugby. I'm sure they had a heap of fun though.
Tonga with zero linespeed and it only took a couple of passes for their entire system to break down. Naively threw numbers at too many rucks too.
Barrett running on to the ball makes us look so good. His kicking from hand is very ordinary though.
Watched Patty T a bit, he was fucking good. Smashing dudes, but also working hard to keep being in a position to make a difference.
Todd is good over the ball, and a nice link player, but shouldn't be hitting the ball up. Like ever.
Great to see the low numbers running and passing with confidence.
Defensive alignment very good.
ALB the best midfielder in the country and needs to start. -
Can we shoot Justin Marshall? There was the aforementioned chasing the tee. Immediately questioning or disparaging the ref as soon as the whistle goes. He's just an awful commentator
And I am pretty sure at some point he mentioned a bloke named Puitolutu
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One more, what was with the ball? It looked like they lost the match ball and had to play with the old faded training ball
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Billy-Tell I reckon they might go:
A. Smith, Mo'unga, Bridge, SBW, ALB, B.Smith, Barrett
TJP, Crotty, Ioane/Reece
I’m intrigued to see. Goodhue either starts or not in the 23. ALB and Crotty cover 12/13. SBW as a “game changer” probably in the 23. I personally think Ben Smith is now 15 only. Good headache to have.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Billy-Tell I reckon they might go:
A. Smith, Mo'unga, Bridge, SBW, ALB, B.Smith, Barrett
TJP, Crotty, Ioane/Reece
I’m intrigued to see. Goodhue either starts or not in the 23. ALB and Crotty cover 12/13. SBW as a “game changer” probably in the 23. I personally think Ben Smith is now 15 only. Good headache to have.
I think Jack won't have played for a month and there's not much to choose between him, ALB and Crotty - so they'll go with the other two. Crotty could start with ALB on the bench. I'm pretty sure they'll start SBW, they pretty much have any time he's fit.
Ben Smith hasn't got searing pace on the wing, but he's not exactly a cripple playing there either - played lots of tests there last year and was excellent yesterday - whereas I thought Sevu made a couple of errors.
In fact, thinking more about it, I think definitely Reiko in my 23 - with one of him or George at 11 and the other on the bench. I think George has taken his chance with both hands so they might go with form on the left and experience on the right.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Billy-Tell I reckon they might go:
A. Smith, Mo'unga, Bridge, SBW, ALB, B.Smith, Barrett
TJP, Crotty, Ioane/Reece
I’m intrigued to see. Goodhue either starts or not in the 23. ALB and Crotty cover 12/13. SBW as a “game changer” probably in the 23. I personally think Ben Smith is now 15 only. Good headache to have.
I think Jack won't have played for a month and there's not much to choose between him, ALB and Crotty - so they'll go with the other two. Crotty could start with ALB on the bench. I'm pretty sure they'll start SBW, they pretty much have any time he's fit.
Ben Smith hasn't got searing pace on the wing, but he's not exactly a cripple playing there either - played lots of tests there last year and was excellent yesterday - whereas I thought Sevu made a couple of errors.
In fact, thinking more about it, I think definitely Reiko in my 23 - with one of him or George at 11 and the other on the bench. I think George has taken his chance with both hands so they might go with form on the left and experience on the right.
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@Chris-B booooo
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@mariner4life What about?
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@mariner4life There's so many things it could be. I've picked your man ALB above. You don't want him paired with Sonny Bill? There's only one vacant space in that midfield, my friend - you know it and I know it!
Rieko? Ben Smith?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@mariner4life There's so many things it could be. I've picked your man ALB above. You don't want him paired with Sonny Bill? There's only one vacant space in that midfield, my friend - you know it and I know it!
Rieko? Ben Smith?
If you don’t declare ALB starting, captain, our most important player and one of our best ever midfielders then you will attract the ire of @mariner4life
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@mariner4life There's so many things it could be. I've picked your man ALB above. You don't want him paired with Sonny Bill? There's only one vacant space in that midfield, my friend - you know it and I know it!
Rieko? Ben Smith?
If you don’t declare ALB starting, captain, our most important player and one of our best ever midfielders then you will attract the ire of @mariner4life
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@mariner4life There's so many things it could be. I've picked your man ALB above. You don't want him paired with Sonny Bill? There's only one vacant space in that midfield, my friend - you know it and I know it!
Rieko? Ben Smith?
If you don’t declare ALB starting, captain, our most important player and one of our best ever midfielders then you will attract the ire of @mariner4life
AND all right minded rugby viewers.
Any other suggestions are just bog standard trolling
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@mariner4life There's so many things it could be. I've picked your man ALB above. You don't want him paired with Sonny Bill? There's only one vacant space in that midfield, my friend - you know it and I know it!
Rieko? Ben Smith?
If you don’t declare ALB starting, captain, our most important player and one of our best ever midfielders then you will attract the ire of @mariner4life
AND all right minded rugby viewers.
Any other suggestions are just bog standard trolling
@mariner4life http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/profile.asp?ABID=1153
The number of times he's worn those 22 and 23 jerseys - Hansen's trolled you quite a lot!
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Only watched the first half, but will drop these truth bombs and then vacate
Bridge looks to me like RW or utility playing on the wrong wing. But still good, but would like to see Reiko back on his game.
Smith still looked a bit slow when put in space.
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If I'm honest, the midfielder selection doesn't worry me in the slightest. While I really like ALB (hard to believe I know) any combination of the 4 will be pretty fucking good. We're very stacked at 12 and 13.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
If I'm honest, the midfielder selection doesn't worry me in the slightest. While I really like ALB (hard to believe I know) any combination of the 4 will be pretty fucking good. We're very stacked at 12 and 13.
Yeah.
After yesterday I can't believe I'd leave Crotty out of the 23, but I would. (12 Dubs, 13 Goodhue, 22. ALB)
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
If I'm honest, the midfielder selection doesn't worry me in the slightest. While I really like ALB (hard to believe I know) any combination of the 4 will be pretty fucking good. We're very stacked at 12 and 13.
Yeah.
After yesterday I can't believe I'd leave Crotty out of the 23, but I would. (12 Dubs, 13 Goodhue, 22. ALB)
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
If I'm honest, the midfielder selection doesn't worry me in the slightest. While I really like ALB (hard to believe I know) any combination of the 4 will be pretty fucking good. We're very stacked at 12 and 13.
Yeah.
After yesterday I can't believe I'd leave Crotty out of the 23, but I would. (12 Dubs, 13 Goodhue, 22. ALB)
From being an area of uncertainty MF is now looking pretty flush with options. The team are coming together right on time
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
If I'm honest, the midfielder selection doesn't worry me in the slightest. While I really like ALB (hard to believe I know) any combination of the 4 will be pretty fucking good. We're very stacked at 12 and 13.
Yeah.
After yesterday I can't believe I'd leave Crotty out of the 23, but I would. (12 Dubs, 13 Goodhue, 22. ALB)
From being an area of uncertainty MF is now looking pretty flush with options. The team are coming together right on time
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
The team are coming together right on time
you mean like the coaches knew what they were upto all along?
#trusttheprocess
