RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B)
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@pakman said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@ACT-Crusader and decent clean outs.
Our tight 5 aren’t shrinking violets when it comes to that.
Also one of the pleasing things that Savea has really developed over the last year is what Rodders became an expert at and that was shifting bodies. Still not up to where Rodders level, but has been more noticeable to me.
Agreed, but Franks brothers in Dublin still seems a high point (or maybe just a rosy memory).
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If my calculations are correct and what I have read is accurate, the team will be named at 9:45pm, Wednesday night...
.... unless @SouthernMann
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@Hooroo well given the timing of them naming the team to play Tonga, it is clear the rules have changed, maybe they wont even name a team at all?
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@taniwharugby said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Hooroo well given the timing of them naming the team to play Tonga, it is clear the rules have changed, maybe they wont even name a team at all?
Stay tuned though, I’ll be making a big team announcement on Wednesday around 6pm AEST
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@ACT-Crusader Let me guess...
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@ACT-Crusader it has to be players in Japan right now.
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@ACT-Crusader
Brett Cameron surprise inclusion as back-up first five ? -
@Hooroo said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Everything is done and dusted in the build up to this (aside from something happening on the training ground)
I think there are a few selections up for debate for this game, unlike big games in the last two world cups.
Do Reece and Bridge Start?
Does Smith go back to FullBack even if Mo'unga starts?
Does Mo'unga start ahead of BB?
Is it Crotty and ALB or SBW and Goodhue or another mix of those four?
I think the loosies are settled at Cane, Read and Savea?
Patrick T or S Barrett? I think it will be Patrick T though.
Does Jacobsen make the bench?Well one thing has been answered. Jacobsen doesn't make the bench. The more I think about it, it's definitely BB and Mo'unga starting.
Still interested in the midfield as I would start a fully fit Crotty.
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@Hooroo said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Well one thing has been answered. Jacobsen doesn't make the bench. The more I think about it, it's definitely BB and Mo'unga starting.
Do you have a basis for the dual pivot conclusion? I'm not at all convinced they will do it given Ben Smiht's record -- I suspect far more that he'll be out there with BB at 10.
Also, gutted for Jacobsen. I think he was set to be an absolute star at this RWC. Frowny face.
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@nzzp said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Hooroo said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Well one thing has been answered. Jacobsen doesn't make the bench. The more I think about it, it's definitely BB and Mo'unga starting.
Do you have a basis for the dual pivot conclusion? I'm not at all convinced they will do it given Ben Smiht's record -- I suspect far more that he'll be out there with BB at 10.
Also, gutted for Jacobsen. I think he was set to be an absolute star at this RWC. Frowny face.
I hope you're right but I would start Mo'unga (Not that I really mind either way)
I Think they with start both BB and Mo and have Smith on the wing which I think is a rubbish decision. I'd start with our best two wingers and Smith is not in the top 3.
Yeah, me too, I gutted for Jacobsen
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In midfield I reckon they'll go with SBW and Goodhue with ALB on the bench.
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@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Smacking the Wallabies, while satisfying, didn’t really tell us a hell of a lot.
Geez they can't really win eh. Playing the Wallabies in bled 1 wasn't going to tell us a lot, so they lost. Everyone was pretty nervous about bled 2 and there was a lot said about whether this team could step up....but now stepping up and then some didn't really tell us a hell of a lot.
Go figure.
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@Hooroo After Bled 2, I think the starting backs will be left unchanged -- AS/RM/SBW. BB15. Rieko back and probably Bridge (is he faster than Reece?). Biggest question 13. Can make a case for both Crotty and Goodhue, the later being my preference at 13. TJP/ALB/BDR on bench.
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@Bones said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Smacking the Wallabies, while satisfying, didn’t really tell us a hell of a lot.
Geez they can't really win eh. Playing the Wallabies in bled 1 wasn't going to tell us a lot, so they lost. Everyone was pretty nervous about bled 2 and there was a lot said about whether this team could step up....but now stepping up and then some didn't really tell us a hell of a lot.
Go figure.
Well in the context of my post, which was about duel opensides, smacking the Wallabies didn’t give us a strong indication of how the tactic will go against the big sides - Ireland, SA, England - which is my chief concern.
In fact in Bled 1 we were comprehensively outmuscled which doesn’t bode well.
It may turn out to be a master stroke, I hope so, but I am pretty concerned about how we will weather the storm in the first 40.
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@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Bones said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Smacking the Wallabies, while satisfying, didn’t really tell us a hell of a lot.
Geez they can't really win eh. Playing the Wallabies in bled 1 wasn't going to tell us a lot, so they lost. Everyone was pretty nervous about bled 2 and there was a lot said about whether this team could step up....but now stepping up and then some didn't really tell us a hell of a lot.
Go figure.
Well in the context of my post, which was about duel opensides, smacking the Wallabies didn’t give us a strong indication of how the tactic will go against the big sides - Ireland, SA, England - which is my chief concern.
In fact in Bled 1 we were comprehensively outmuscled which doesn’t bode well.
It may turn out to be a master stroke, I hope so, but I am pretty concerned about how we will weather the storm in the first 40.
Sure ok, but how come getting comprehensively outmuscled counts, but comprehensively outmuscling doesn't?
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@Bones said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Bones said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Smacking the Wallabies, while satisfying, didn’t really tell us a hell of a lot.
Geez they can't really win eh. Playing the Wallabies in bled 1 wasn't going to tell us a lot, so they lost. Everyone was pretty nervous about bled 2 and there was a lot said about whether this team could step up....but now stepping up and then some didn't really tell us a hell of a lot.
Go figure.
Well in the context of my post, which was about duel opensides, smacking the Wallabies didn’t give us a strong indication of how the tactic will go against the big sides - Ireland, SA, England - which is my chief concern.
In fact in Bled 1 we were comprehensively outmuscled which doesn’t bode well.
It may turn out to be a master stroke, I hope so, but I am pretty concerned about how we will weather the storm in the first 40.
Sure ok, but how come getting comprehensively outmuscled counts, but comprehensively outmuscling doesn't?
The Wallabies are wildly inconsistent and almost never front up 2 games in a row, especially away from home.
I mean it was an awesome performance, but, it was only the Wallabies...
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@Hooroo said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
If my calculations are correct and what I have read is accurate, the team will be named at 9:45pm, Wednesday night...
.... unless @SouthernMann
From Stuff
The All Blacks will name their team at their Tokyo hotel on Thursday. -
@No-Quarter I'm not sure the bled results tell us much about whether either the boks or abs are going to be able to physically impose themselves on Sat. My guess is that they'll be about evenly matched up front - the way they have been over the last 4 or so games.
The bigger question is whether the ABs can spring the rush defence. And if they can, can the boks scrape together enough points to stay in touch.
And on that question bled 2 was all sorts of worrying signs for the boks (even if aus' defence is not as destructive as the boks.) And I've seen very little since Wellington to suggest that the boks of 2019 are going to unveil a sharper cutting edge the way that the 2007 boks did.
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What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
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@Frank TBH, it will not surprise me if both SB & Crotty start...
SB with Whitelock woudl not be a surprise, nor Crotty to start at 12, OR 13
I think the ABs have been working on a plan to negate the effectiveness of the Rush defence, but I think it is/was a work in progress, given Aus do not employ it, and SA probably dont do it as well as the NH teams either.
That said, I think they are, like always timing things perfectly, while losing first up wont be ideal (thus needing to make another RWC 1st to win it) I think the fine tuning they are doing and the 'learnings' (buzz word) form the next few weeks will set them up perfectly for the run in.
And lets be honest, it is those last 3 weeks when the real work begins anyway, and squad depths get tested.
