RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B)
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@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Smacking the Wallabies, while satisfying, didn’t really tell us a hell of a lot.
Geez they can't really win eh. Playing the Wallabies in bled 1 wasn't going to tell us a lot, so they lost. Everyone was pretty nervous about bled 2 and there was a lot said about whether this team could step up....but now stepping up and then some didn't really tell us a hell of a lot.
Go figure.
@Bones said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Smacking the Wallabies, while satisfying, didn’t really tell us a hell of a lot.
Geez they can't really win eh. Playing the Wallabies in bled 1 wasn't going to tell us a lot, so they lost. Everyone was pretty nervous about bled 2 and there was a lot said about whether this team could step up....but now stepping up and then some didn't really tell us a hell of a lot.
Go figure.
Well in the context of my post, which was about duel opensides, smacking the Wallabies didn’t give us a strong indication of how the tactic will go against the big sides - Ireland, SA, England - which is my chief concern.
In fact in Bled 1 we were comprehensively outmuscled which doesn’t bode well.
It may turn out to be a master stroke, I hope so, but I am pretty concerned about how we will weather the storm in the first 40.
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@Bones said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Smacking the Wallabies, while satisfying, didn’t really tell us a hell of a lot.
Geez they can't really win eh. Playing the Wallabies in bled 1 wasn't going to tell us a lot, so they lost. Everyone was pretty nervous about bled 2 and there was a lot said about whether this team could step up....but now stepping up and then some didn't really tell us a hell of a lot.
Go figure.
Well in the context of my post, which was about duel opensides, smacking the Wallabies didn’t give us a strong indication of how the tactic will go against the big sides - Ireland, SA, England - which is my chief concern.
In fact in Bled 1 we were comprehensively outmuscled which doesn’t bode well.
It may turn out to be a master stroke, I hope so, but I am pretty concerned about how we will weather the storm in the first 40.
@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Bones said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Smacking the Wallabies, while satisfying, didn’t really tell us a hell of a lot.
Geez they can't really win eh. Playing the Wallabies in bled 1 wasn't going to tell us a lot, so they lost. Everyone was pretty nervous about bled 2 and there was a lot said about whether this team could step up....but now stepping up and then some didn't really tell us a hell of a lot.
Go figure.
Well in the context of my post, which was about duel opensides, smacking the Wallabies didn’t give us a strong indication of how the tactic will go against the big sides - Ireland, SA, England - which is my chief concern.
In fact in Bled 1 we were comprehensively outmuscled which doesn’t bode well.
It may turn out to be a master stroke, I hope so, but I am pretty concerned about how we will weather the storm in the first 40.
Sure ok, but how come getting comprehensively outmuscled counts, but comprehensively outmuscling doesn't?
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@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Bones said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Smacking the Wallabies, while satisfying, didn’t really tell us a hell of a lot.
Geez they can't really win eh. Playing the Wallabies in bled 1 wasn't going to tell us a lot, so they lost. Everyone was pretty nervous about bled 2 and there was a lot said about whether this team could step up....but now stepping up and then some didn't really tell us a hell of a lot.
Go figure.
Well in the context of my post, which was about duel opensides, smacking the Wallabies didn’t give us a strong indication of how the tactic will go against the big sides - Ireland, SA, England - which is my chief concern.
In fact in Bled 1 we were comprehensively outmuscled which doesn’t bode well.
It may turn out to be a master stroke, I hope so, but I am pretty concerned about how we will weather the storm in the first 40.
Sure ok, but how come getting comprehensively outmuscled counts, but comprehensively outmuscling doesn't?
@Bones said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Bones said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Smacking the Wallabies, while satisfying, didn’t really tell us a hell of a lot.
Geez they can't really win eh. Playing the Wallabies in bled 1 wasn't going to tell us a lot, so they lost. Everyone was pretty nervous about bled 2 and there was a lot said about whether this team could step up....but now stepping up and then some didn't really tell us a hell of a lot.
Go figure.
Well in the context of my post, which was about duel opensides, smacking the Wallabies didn’t give us a strong indication of how the tactic will go against the big sides - Ireland, SA, England - which is my chief concern.
In fact in Bled 1 we were comprehensively outmuscled which doesn’t bode well.
It may turn out to be a master stroke, I hope so, but I am pretty concerned about how we will weather the storm in the first 40.
Sure ok, but how come getting comprehensively outmuscled counts, but comprehensively outmuscling doesn't?
The Wallabies are wildly inconsistent and almost never front up 2 games in a row, especially away from home.
I mean it was an awesome performance, but, it was only the Wallabies...
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If my calculations are correct and what I have read is accurate, the team will be named at 9:45pm, Wednesday night...
.... unless @SouthernMann
@Hooroo said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
If my calculations are correct and what I have read is accurate, the team will be named at 9:45pm, Wednesday night...
.... unless @SouthernMann
From Stuff
The All Blacks will name their team at their Tokyo hotel on Thursday. -
@Bones said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Bones said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@No-Quarter said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Smacking the Wallabies, while satisfying, didn’t really tell us a hell of a lot.
Geez they can't really win eh. Playing the Wallabies in bled 1 wasn't going to tell us a lot, so they lost. Everyone was pretty nervous about bled 2 and there was a lot said about whether this team could step up....but now stepping up and then some didn't really tell us a hell of a lot.
Go figure.
Well in the context of my post, which was about duel opensides, smacking the Wallabies didn’t give us a strong indication of how the tactic will go against the big sides - Ireland, SA, England - which is my chief concern.
In fact in Bled 1 we were comprehensively outmuscled which doesn’t bode well.
It may turn out to be a master stroke, I hope so, but I am pretty concerned about how we will weather the storm in the first 40.
Sure ok, but how come getting comprehensively outmuscled counts, but comprehensively outmuscling doesn't?
The Wallabies are wildly inconsistent and almost never front up 2 games in a row, especially away from home.
I mean it was an awesome performance, but, it was only the Wallabies...
@No-Quarter I'm not sure the bled results tell us much about whether either the boks or abs are going to be able to physically impose themselves on Sat. My guess is that they'll be about evenly matched up front - the way they have been over the last 4 or so games.
The bigger question is whether the ABs can spring the rush defence. And if they can, can the boks scrape together enough points to stay in touch.
And on that question bled 2 was all sorts of worrying signs for the boks (even if aus' defence is not as destructive as the boks.) And I've seen very little since Wellington to suggest that the boks of 2019 are going to unveil a sharper cutting edge the way that the 2007 boks did.
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What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
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What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
@Frank TBH, it will not surprise me if both SB & Crotty start...
SB with Whitelock woudl not be a surprise, nor Crotty to start at 12, OR 13
I think the ABs have been working on a plan to negate the effectiveness of the Rush defence, but I think it is/was a work in progress, given Aus do not employ it, and SA probably dont do it as well as the NH teams either.
That said, I think they are, like always timing things perfectly, while losing first up wont be ideal (thus needing to make another RWC 1st to win it) I think the fine tuning they are doing and the 'learnings' (buzz word) form the next few weeks will set them up perfectly for the run in.
And lets be honest, it is those last 3 weeks when the real work begins anyway, and squad depths get tested.
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What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out. -
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
I always feel that if we try to play it wide too early, and try too many low percentage plays we will struggle. We have to win the battle up front and the breakdown, just like always, and play a little more direct to draw them in
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Alright boys, I'm here for the shit talking!
@rustycruiser said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
Alright boys, I'm here for the shit talking!
Welcome back and bring it on.
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So the predicted rain deluge....maybe favor the Boks by slowing down the All Blacks speed and better handling in your backs? FAF is going to be box kicking the ball back to you blokes all day long (who needs 10 man rugby when you can play 9 man rugby!)
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So the predicted rain deluge....maybe favor the Boks by slowing down the All Blacks speed and better handling in your backs? FAF is going to be box kicking the ball back to you blokes all day long (who needs 10 man rugby when you can play 9 man rugby!)
@rustycruiser The latest weather predictions don't look like a rain deluge.
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@Stargazer That's some bench. Mark of a really quality side.
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@Stargazer
Looks weak ABs by 50
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@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out.@Chris said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out.yep. only problem is that we've been trying the short kicking game against the rush for years, and we've been almost exclusively shit at it - just end up having no possession and unable to control the pace of the game.
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide. -
@Chris said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out.yep. only problem is that we've been trying the short kicking game against the rush for years, and we've been almost exclusively shit at it - just end up having no possession and unable to control the pace of the game.
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Chris said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out.yep. only problem is that we've been trying the short kicking game against the rush for years, and we've been almost exclusively shit at it - just end up having no possession and unable to control the pace of the game.
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.Yeah I am inclined to agree I don't think kicking away possession in a WC is a good tactic either just those are the 2 main ways of combating the rush defence.
Mo'unga going flat to the Gain line putting runners through gaps from angles appeals to me because if you break the rush defence on an angle coming back its very hard to defend at the back not much cover.I think they may play SBW to use this tactic. -
@Chris said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
@Frank said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
What is the general strategy to combat the rush defense of the Boks?????
Harty has lost it. Wants Scott Barrett and Crotty to start.
I actually don't think the physicality of the Boks is much above ours provided our tight 5 step up. Only significant size difference is Savea vs Steph Du Toit
kick over or through a rush defence or smash the gain line.Mounga pass kick to the wingers and support near the gain line, and make support harder. engage the defence.
Are the typical ways I am sure The ABs will tweak and add to that theory to catch the Boks defence out.yep. only problem is that we've been trying the short kicking game against the rush for years, and we've been almost exclusively shit at it - just end up having no possession and unable to control the pace of the game.
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.@reprobate said in RWC All Blacks v South Africa:
i much prefer trying to get momentum close in, then only once defence is static or back-pedalling do you go wider. it relies on either grunt or subtle angles and dummy runners to get the gain line close in, but if we do get it we are better placed than anyone else (because of smith) to go wide fast and find the space the rush creates out wide.
Lions Test 1 2017 we did this - offloaded well, slashing lines near the ruck. WEnt well.
