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RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B)

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    Media conference with Bridge, Crotty and Mo'unga

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      I'm sure we will see different tactics from the ABs than what they used in Wellington. The same will apply for the Boks too, but probably to a lesser degree.

      It was interesting that both Hansen and BFA mentioned on more than one occasion in the pressers that the SA wingers like to "roll the dice" on defence by rushing up to prevent the ball getting wide. These comments will be designed to put some doubt into their minds. An obvious counter to this is to kick into the space behind them for Reece and Bridge.

      All the good performances by the ABs against SA have started with getting some dominance up front first - Rugby 101. That doesn't just mean the scrum and lineout, but also strong carries and accurate cleans, and dominant tackles on defence. If the AB forwards can provide the platform then A Smith and Mo'unga will have more time and space to ignite the backs. And just as importantly, discipline.

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        I'm sure we will see different tactics from the ABs than what they used in Wellington. The same will apply for the Boks too, but probably to a lesser degree.

        It was interesting that both Hansen and BFA mentioned on more than one occasion in the pressers that the SA wingers like to "roll the dice" on defence by rushing up to prevent the ball getting wide. These comments will be designed to put some doubt into their minds. An obvious counter to this is to kick into the space behind them for Reece and Bridge.

        All the good performances by the ABs against SA have started with getting some dominance up front first - Rugby 101. That doesn't just mean the scrum and lineout, but also strong carries and accurate cleans, and dominant tackles on defence. If the AB forwards can provide the platform then A Smith and Mo'unga will have more time and space to ignite the backs. And just as importantly, discipline.

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        @Bovidae
        The area I am worried about is how we make meters in the forwards (especially the opening 50). They have Etzebeth, Marx and Vermuelen.
        We have smaller quicker guys. I can't see how we can dominate them physically.

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          I'm sure we will see different tactics from the ABs than what they used in Wellington. The same will apply for the Boks too, but probably to a lesser degree.

          It was interesting that both Hansen and BFA mentioned on more than one occasion in the pressers that the SA wingers like to "roll the dice" on defence by rushing up to prevent the ball getting wide. These comments will be designed to put some doubt into their minds. An obvious counter to this is to kick into the space behind them for Reece and Bridge.

          All the good performances by the ABs against SA have started with getting some dominance up front first - Rugby 101. That doesn't just mean the scrum and lineout, but also strong carries and accurate cleans, and dominant tackles on defence. If the AB forwards can provide the platform then A Smith and Mo'unga will have more time and space to ignite the backs. And just as importantly, discipline.

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          @Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

          SA wingers like to "roll the dice" on defence by rushing up to prevent the ball getting wide.

          always been a tactic of SA teams, especially in that period when Jean De Villiers played, maybe Rassie is trying to bring intercepting back.

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            Media conference with Bridge, Crotty and Mo'unga

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            @Stargazer
            FFS - when will they realize you have to give a mic' to the reporters so we can actually hear the questions the players are answering.

            Amateurish!!!!!!!!!

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              @Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

              SA wingers like to "roll the dice" on defence by rushing up to prevent the ball getting wide.

              always been a tactic of SA teams, especially in that period when Jean De Villiers played, maybe Rassie is trying to bring intercepting back.

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              @taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

              @Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

              SA wingers like to "roll the dice" on defence by rushing up to prevent the ball getting wide.

              always been a tactic of SA teams, especially in that period when Jean De Villiers played, maybe Rassie is trying to bring intercepting back.

              Habana also.

              I think the difference here and what I’ve noticed is they diagonal in rather than the way Habana would keep to his space and then pounce.

              I remember when the ABs played the Wallabies a few years back Melbourne and Deans was coaching OZ and Henry selected Mauger at 12 and Lucky Luke at 13. Deans held a presser and after saying it was a surprising selection he pointed out that Luke likes to lead in one side when defending leaving the outside exposed. And sure enough the Wallabies exploited it during the match.

              Sometimes it’s mind games and sometimes it’s actually real based on hours of video watching.

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                I wonder when the ABs last fielded a side, numbers 6 to 15, lighter than for this team

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                  @taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                  @Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                  SA wingers like to "roll the dice" on defence by rushing up to prevent the ball getting wide.

                  always been a tactic of SA teams, especially in that period when Jean De Villiers played, maybe Rassie is trying to bring intercepting back.

                  Habana also.

                  I think the difference here and what I’ve noticed is they diagonal in rather than the way Habana would keep to his space and then pounce.

                  I remember when the ABs played the Wallabies a few years back Melbourne and Deans was coaching OZ and Henry selected Mauger at 12 and Lucky Luke at 13. Deans held a presser and after saying it was a surprising selection he pointed out that Luke likes to lead in one side when defending leaving the outside exposed. And sure enough the Wallabies exploited it during the match.

                  Sometimes it’s mind games and sometimes it’s actually real based on hours of video watching.

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                  @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                  I remember when the ABs played the Wallabies a few years back Melbourne and Deans was coaching OZ and Henry selected Mauger at 12 and Lucky Luke at 13. Deans held a presser and after saying it was a surprising selection he pointed out that Luke likes to lead in one side when defending leaving the outside exposed. And sure enough the Wallabies exploited it during the match.

                  Having a tough time figuring out when this press conference happened because McAlister only moved to 13 that test late after MacDonald predictably was injured on the Friday....

                  ... and Deans wasn't Wallaby coach for another 6 months.

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                    @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                    I remember when the ABs played the Wallabies a few years back Melbourne and Deans was coaching OZ and Henry selected Mauger at 12 and Lucky Luke at 13. Deans held a presser and after saying it was a surprising selection he pointed out that Luke likes to lead in one side when defending leaving the outside exposed. And sure enough the Wallabies exploited it during the match.

                    Having a tough time figuring out when this press conference happened because McAlister only moved to 13 that test late after MacDonald predictably was injured on the Friday....

                    ... and Deans wasn't Wallaby coach for another 6 months.

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                    @rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                    @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                    I remember when the ABs played the Wallabies a few years back Melbourne and Deans was coaching OZ and Henry selected Mauger at 12 and Lucky Luke at 13. Deans held a presser and after saying it was a surprising selection he pointed out that Luke likes to lead in one side when defending leaving the outside exposed. And sure enough the Wallabies exploited it during the match.

                    Having a tough time figuring out when this press conference happened because McAlister only moved to 13 that test late after MacDonald predictably was injured on the Friday....

                    ... and Deans wasn't Wallaby coach for another 6 months.

                    Sorry it was Connolly not Deans.

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                    • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                      @rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                      @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                      I remember when the ABs played the Wallabies a few years back Melbourne and Deans was coaching OZ and Henry selected Mauger at 12 and Lucky Luke at 13. Deans held a presser and after saying it was a surprising selection he pointed out that Luke likes to lead in one side when defending leaving the outside exposed. And sure enough the Wallabies exploited it during the match.

                      Having a tough time figuring out when this press conference happened because McAlister only moved to 13 that test late after MacDonald predictably was injured on the Friday....

                      ... and Deans wasn't Wallaby coach for another 6 months.

                      Sorry it was Connolly not Deans.

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                      @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                      Sorry it was Connolly not Deans.

                      I don't doubt Deans was making his way around the country chipping away at Ted and co at the time though, which could be the cause of confusion.

                      Fair call though, like it was one that was flagged by many at the time as being a bit of a worry - much like Kaino at lock.

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                        @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                        Sorry it was Connolly not Deans.

                        I don't doubt Deans was making his way around the country chipping away at Ted and co at the time though, which could be the cause of confusion.

                        Fair call though, like it was one that was flagged by many at the time as being a bit of a worry - much like Kaino at lock.

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                        @rotated said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                        @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                        Sorry it was Connolly not Deans.

                        I don't doubt Deans was making his way around the country chipping away at Ted and co at the time though, which could be the cause of confusion.

                        Nice fairy tale story there

                        Do you write the strewth column in the Australia 😀

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                          @ACT-Crusader said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                          @taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                          @Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                          SA wingers like to "roll the dice" on defence by rushing up to prevent the ball getting wide.

                          always been a tactic of SA teams, especially in that period when Jean De Villiers played, maybe Rassie is trying to bring intercepting back.

                          Habana also.

                          I think the difference here and what I’ve noticed is they diagonal in rather than the way Habana would keep to his space and then pounce.

                          I remember when the ABs played the Wallabies a few years back Melbourne and Deans was coaching OZ and Henry selected Mauger at 12 and Lucky Luke at 13. Deans held a presser and after saying it was a surprising selection he pointed out that Luke likes to lead in one side when defending leaving the outside exposed. And sure enough the Wallabies exploited it during the match.

                          Sometimes it’s mind games and sometimes it’s actually real based on hours of video watching.

                          Was that the one where Mauger kicked out on the full so they had a midfield lineout that they worked the move where McAlister was beaten on the huge inside? 🙂

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                            I wonder when the ABs last fielded a side, numbers 6 to 15, lighter than for this team

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                            @Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                            I wonder when the ABs last fielded a side, numbers 6 to 15, lighter than for this team

                            I doubt there's been a team this millennium - might have to go back pre-Jonah and pre-Justin Marshall.

                            I guess the size of our backs isn't a huge concern in this game, because South Africa don't have any huge munters either - but, I'll be a bit concerned at size disparities if we come up against England with people like Tuilagi and Cokanasiga.

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                              @Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                              I wonder when the ABs last fielded a side, numbers 6 to 15, lighter than for this team

                              I doubt there's been a team this millennium - might have to go back pre-Jonah and pre-Justin Marshall.

                              I guess the size of our backs isn't a huge concern in this game, because South Africa don't have any huge munters either - but, I'll be a bit concerned at size disparities if we come up against England with people like Tuilagi and Cokanasiga.

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                              @Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                              @Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                              I wonder when the ABs last fielded a side, numbers 6 to 15, lighter than for this team

                              I doubt there's been a team this millennium - might have to go back pre-Jonah and pre-Justin Marshall.

                              I guess the size of our backs isn't a huge concern in this game, because South Africa don't have any huge munters either - but, I'll be a bit concerned at size disparities if we come up against England with people like Tuilagi and Cokanasiga.

                              Horses for courses. SBW and Ioane might be more appealing if we go into such a match.

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                                @Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                                @Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                                I wonder when the ABs last fielded a side, numbers 6 to 15, lighter than for this team

                                I doubt there's been a team this millennium - might have to go back pre-Jonah and pre-Justin Marshall.

                                I guess the size of our backs isn't a huge concern in this game, because South Africa don't have any huge munters either - but, I'll be a bit concerned at size disparities if we come up against England with people like Tuilagi and Cokanasiga.

                                Horses for courses. SBW and Ioane might be more appealing if we go into such a match.

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                                @ACT-Crusader I also wonder if the game plan and personnel for this game v SA would differ if we meet them in the final....

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                                  @Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                                  I wonder when the ABs last fielded a side, numbers 6 to 15, lighter than for this team

                                  I doubt there's been a team this millennium - might have to go back pre-Jonah and pre-Justin Marshall.

                                  I guess the size of our backs isn't a huge concern in this game, because South Africa don't have any huge munters either - but, I'll be a bit concerned at size disparities if we come up against England with people like Tuilagi and Cokanasiga.

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                                  @Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                                  @Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                                  I wonder when the ABs last fielded a side, numbers 6 to 15, lighter than for this team

                                  I doubt there's been a team this millennium - might have to go back pre-Jonah and pre-Justin Marshall.

                                  This backline wasn't big, apart from Joe. 2003 vs France.

                                  http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2101

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                                    @Chris-B said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                                    @Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                                    I wonder when the ABs last fielded a side, numbers 6 to 15, lighter than for this team

                                    I doubt there's been a team this millennium - might have to go back pre-Jonah and pre-Justin Marshall.

                                    This backline wasn't big, apart from Joe. 2003 vs France.

                                    http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/teamsheet.asp?MT_ID=2101

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                                    @Bovidae and that game was pretty significant too.

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                                      A nice gesture.

                                      The Springboks will have an image of Chester Williams embedded in their jersey numbers -- the nation's iconic 1995 World Cup winner who inspired a new generation of black players to take up rugby.

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                                        listening to a clip from an interview with Goodhue earlier, it seems his hammies are still tight, reckons he should be right for next match....said all good running but over the ball at rucks they arent 100%.

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                                        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                          listening to a clip from an interview with Goodhue earlier, it seems his hammies are still tight, reckons he should be right for next match....said all good running but over the ball at rucks they arent 100%.

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                                          @taniwharugby said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B):

                                          listening to a clip from an interview with Goodhue earlier, it seems his hammies are still tight, reckons he should be right for next match....said all good running but over the ball at rucks they arent 100%.

                                          Surely there are plenty of massage parlours he could visit in Japan, loosen him right up.🙂

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