2019 Rugby World Cup
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@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It's like people don't think they haven't been in a war room losing sleep trying to make it work.
The die was cast once the tournament rules were set.
I'm not sure what contingency work they have been doing because every hypothetical contingency would have come back to "we have this very inflexible set of tournament rules - so we aren't in a position to move the day or venue of anything".
Serious contingency planning would have set out clearly what the minimum requirements were to get a game up in the event of an emergency (i.e. can it be played without a crowd, how far can teams charter/bus in on game day, does it require broadcast etc).
It sounds like they spent the first 12-24 hours spinning their wheels on this and even in the press conference the argument shifted from fan safety, to logistics, to intergrity of the competition - it wasn't entirely clear what element is the sticking point.
If they had such a plan before the tournament they would be able to sit at the press conference and say here are the five things we need to hold the game and this is the one that is the sticking point.
This is moot anyway without tournament regulations to force some flexibility.
@rotated said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It's like people don't think they haven't been in a war room losing sleep trying to make it work.
The die was cast once the tournament rules were set.
I'm not sure what contingency work they have been doing because every hypothetical contingency would have come back to "we have this very inflexible set of tournament rules - so we aren't in a position to move the day or venue of anything".
Serious contingency planning would have set out clearly what the minimum requirements were to get a game up in the event of an emergency (i.e. can it be played without a crowd, how far can teams charter/bus in on game day, does it require broadcast etc).
It sounds like they spent the first 12-24 hours spinning their wheels on this and even in the press conference the argument shifted from fan safety, to logistics, to intergrity of the competition - it wasn't entirely clear what element is the sticking point.
If they had such a plan before the tournament they would be able to sit at the press conference and say here are the five things we need to hold the game and this is the one that is the sticking point.
This is moot anyway without tournament regulations to force some flexibility.
Maybe it wasn't just one?
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Read that they have insured for natural disaster but if they reschedule/relocate then they aren't covered. No idea if it's accurate but sounds plausible.
@mofitzy_ said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Read that they have insured for natural disaster but if they reschedule/relocate then they aren't covered. No idea if it's accurate but sounds plausible.
Sounds like a tinfoil hat theory from someone on twitter
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@taniwharugby @booboo You are both correct re typhoons as a general rule - they slow down as well as weaken as they go over cooler water (moving north in this case).
"General rule" is a loose term though. They can do all sorts of things that they shouldn't according to the computer models. -
@mofitzy_ said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Read that they have insured for natural disaster but if they reschedule/relocate then they aren't covered. No idea if it's accurate but sounds plausible.
Sounds like a tinfoil hat theory from someone on twitter
@booboo see above. Relocating is usually an additional cover, so if they didn't take it...
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@booboo on that link I posted above it looks to be slow moving, but by the same token looks to be a bit smaller.
@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@booboo on that link I posted above it looks to be slow moving, but by the same token looks to be a bit smaller.
Having lived a few summers in Qld you get used to following the cyclone warnings on BOM.gov.au.
Luckily we're far enough South (unlike @mariner4life ) so we've not been hit full on with a cyclone. Some Ex-TCs have got us bit wet and/or blustered, a couple have slid past, and a couple have veered away late. So very aware of your point @Snowy that they can be unpredictable.
However in terms of (un)predictability the Bureau do it really well, showing updated tracking maps every few hours, with previous, current and predicted intensities and locations at given times.
Can't seem to find the same detail on the JMA website. They have a tracking map but it's too big a scale to try and work out where it's likely to be when.
They don't seem to categorise the Typhoons as Cat 1-5 like TCs in this part of the world. But assume this is Cat 5 (weren't they talking about introducing a Cat 6?), but even if it is weakening to a Cat 4 that's still pretty damn strong.
And intensity isn't necessarily an indicator of likely damage. The most effect we've been subject to from a TC was Oswald (Straya Day floods 2013) and it was an Ex-TC which hardly made it to Cat 1 status.
But do agree with @Snowy about @gt12 's emergency preparedness planning.
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@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@booboo on that link I posted above it looks to be slow moving, but by the same token looks to be a bit smaller.
Having lived a few summers in Qld you get used to following the cyclone warnings on BOM.gov.au.
Luckily we're far enough South (unlike @mariner4life ) so we've not been hit full on with a cyclone. Some Ex-TCs have got us bit wet and/or blustered, a couple have slid past, and a couple have veered away late. So very aware of your point @Snowy that they can be unpredictable.
However in terms of (un)predictability the Bureau do it really well, showing updated tracking maps every few hours, with previous, current and predicted intensities and locations at given times.
Can't seem to find the same detail on the JMA website. They have a tracking map but it's too big a scale to try and work out where it's likely to be when.
They don't seem to categorise the Typhoons as Cat 1-5 like TCs in this part of the world. But assume this is Cat 5 (weren't they talking about introducing a Cat 6?), but even if it is weakening to a Cat 4 that's still pretty damn strong.
And intensity isn't necessarily an indicator of likely damage. The most effect we've been subject to from a TC was Oswald (Straya Day floods 2013) and it was an Ex-TC which hardly made it to Cat 1 status.
But do agree with @Snowy about @gt12 's emergency preparedness planning.
@booboo said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
They don't seem to categorise the Typhoons as Cat 1-5 like TCs in this part of the world. But assume this is Cat 5
They do categorise but yeah it's a different system. Hong Kong have their own on a scale up to ten and not very intuitive (rank of storm is dependent on both location and wind strength - not just strength).
NASA give a category as per the US syatem on their website:
https://blogs.nasa.gov/hurricanes/Some cool satellite images as well.
Hagibis now cat 3 (was 5) and weakening. Seriously massive weather system though.
@booboo said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
But do agree with @Snowy about @gt12 's emergency preparedness planning.
Weather lovely here but going to head off to the shops now - just in case.
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@booboo said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
They don't seem to categorise the Typhoons as Cat 1-5 like TCs in this part of the world. But assume this is Cat 5
They do categorise but yeah it's a different system. Hong Kong have their own on a scale up to ten and not very intuitive (rank of storm is dependent on both location and wind strength - not just strength).
NASA give a category as per the US syatem on their website:
https://blogs.nasa.gov/hurricanes/Some cool satellite images as well.
Hagibis now cat 3 (was 5) and weakening. Seriously massive weather system though.
@booboo said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
But do agree with @Snowy about @gt12 's emergency preparedness planning.
Weather lovely here but going to head off to the shops now - just in case.
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Hagibis now cat 3 (was 5) and weakening. Seriously massive weather system though.
Check out https://earth.nullschool.net
there's one big storm in the world right now, and it's right over the RWC. Ha ha ha ha ha, as they say... rotten luck.
@gt12 is this one really as big as they say - potentially the biggest in 60 years? If so, could explain the early cancellations and the inability to reschedule.
Also, I read somewhere they thought they could handle one rearrangement, but 3-4 was just not feasible. Makes sense to me; I'm gutted games got canned, but I totally get why
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@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Hagibis now cat 3 (was 5) and weakening. Seriously massive weather system though.
Check out https://earth.nullschool.net
there's one big storm in the world right now, and it's right over the RWC. Ha ha ha ha ha, as they say... rotten luck.
@gt12 is this one really as big as they say - potentially the biggest in 60 years? If so, could explain the early cancellations and the inability to reschedule.
Also, I read somewhere they thought they could handle one rearrangement, but 3-4 was just not feasible. Makes sense to me; I'm gutted games got canned, but I totally get why
@nzzp green circle is where eye of the storm was about 12 hours ago
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@nzzp green circle is where eye of the storm was about 12 hours ago
@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@nzzp green circle is where eye of the storm was about 12 hours ago
what's the red line? A yo momma joke waiting to happen
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@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@nzzp green circle is where eye of the storm was about 12 hours ago
what's the red line? A yo momma joke waiting to happen
?@nzzp more for the visually impaired
As above, it looks smaller than it did 36 or so hours earlier, but still looks nasty.
edit: since I posted above screenshot, the eye has moved North-east slightly
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@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Hagibis now cat 3 (was 5) and weakening. Seriously massive weather system though.
Check out https://earth.nullschool.net
there's one big storm in the world right now, and it's right over the RWC. Ha ha ha ha ha, as they say... rotten luck.
@gt12 is this one really as big as they say - potentially the biggest in 60 years? If so, could explain the early cancellations and the inability to reschedule.
Also, I read somewhere they thought they could handle one rearrangement, but 3-4 was just not feasible. Makes sense to me; I'm gutted games got canned, but I totally get why
@nzzp said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Hagibis now cat 3 (was 5) and weakening. Seriously massive weather system though.
Check out https://earth.nullschool.net
there's one big storm in the world right now, and it's right over the RWC. Ha ha ha ha ha, as they say... rotten luck.
@gt12 is this one really as big as they say - potentially the biggest in 60 years? If so, could explain the early cancellations and the inability to reschedule.
Also, I read somewhere they thought they could handle one rearrangement, but 3-4 was just not feasible. Makes sense to me; I'm gutted games got canned, but I totally get why
Stop that fucking sensible, balanced talk. This is the internet, for gawd's sake, show some respect
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@nzzp said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Hagibis now cat 3 (was 5) and weakening. Seriously massive weather system though.
Check out https://earth.nullschool.net
there's one big storm in the world right now, and it's right over the RWC. Ha ha ha ha ha, as they say... rotten luck.
@gt12 is this one really as big as they say - potentially the biggest in 60 years? If so, could explain the early cancellations and the inability to reschedule.
Also, I read somewhere they thought they could handle one rearrangement, but 3-4 was just not feasible. Makes sense to me; I'm gutted games got canned, but I totally get why
Stop that fucking sensible, balanced talk. This is the internet, for gawd's sake, show some respect
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Stop that fucking sensible, balanced talk. This is the internet, for gawd's sake, show some dusruspect
fixed that for ya and @NTA
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@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Stop that fucking sensible, balanced talk. This is the internet, for gawd's sake, show some dusruspect
fixed that for ya and @NTA
@nzzp said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Machpants said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Stop that fucking sensible, balanced talk. This is the internet, for gawd's sake, show some dusruspect
fixed that for ya and @NTA
Dusruspict
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@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
Hagibis now cat 3 (was 5) and weakening. Seriously massive weather system though.
Check out https://earth.nullschool.net
there's one big storm in the world right now, and it's right over the RWC. Ha ha ha ha ha, as they say... rotten luck.
@gt12 is this one really as big as they say - potentially the biggest in 60 years? If so, could explain the early cancellations and the inability to reschedule.
Also, I read somewhere they thought they could handle one rearrangement, but 3-4 was just not feasible. Makes sense to me; I'm gutted games got canned, but I totally get why
It’s still not even touched down and we are already on an evacuation warning here, as are a few other places in Yokohama and Tokyo. It’s moving slowly, which sucks a bit.
Heaps of rain - not much wind yet - saw on the news this morning that they predict we’ll get up to 800 mls of rain within this 36 hour period, and up to 1000 down around Shizuoka where it should hit first.
To put that in perspective, October is one of the heavier rainfall months with about 135 mls on average. Some places will get that in an hour (perhaps more). Our little garden already has about 2cm of standing water, so I’m a bit concerned.
So, we’ll see how strong it is as a typhoon, but just for precipitation, things are already very worrying - mainly because they get concerned about landslides with this much rain, which often come down on the houses built on the flat land below. That was what made the storms in Hiroshima so bad a couple of years ago.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/special/01/1919/
Anyway, as it is moving pretty slowly, I think it will be a very long day and Sunday games in Iwate must be up for the chop. I’ll bet that the Japan game happens, the trains are due to start running at midday tomorrow (will all be shut down here by midday today).
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In years to come , it’s going to be interesting to see How this World Cup is remembered ,
Let’s hope we have a cracking finals series and All the negativity can be put to bed.
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In years to come , it’s going to be interesting to see How this World Cup is remembered ,
Let’s hope we have a cracking finals series and All the negativity can be put to bed.
@kiwiinmelb guess it depends if we win or not as to if we remember it at all
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@kiwiinmelb guess it depends if we win or not as to if we remember it at all
@taniwharugby said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@kiwiinmelb guess it depends if we win or not as to if we remember it at all
They are all bad world cups when we lose ,
This one will have mayonnaise on top .
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In years to come , it’s going to be interesting to see How this World Cup is remembered ,
Let’s hope we have a cracking finals series and All the negativity can be put to bed.
@kiwiinmelb said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
In years to come , it’s going to be interesting to see How this World Cup is remembered ,
Let’s hope we have a cracking finals series and All the negativity can be put to bed.
Cards will decide a narrow fixture, and they'll be controversial as all hell.
Alternatively, we'll romp through, post loads of poitns and all will be forgiven
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Tornadoes in greater Tokyo. Scary.
https://twitter.com/OliverTrenchard/status/1182815067047219200
