RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2)
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@bayimports Won't surprise me if that's the team.
The team The Herald released reckoning it was the team to play Italy had Goodhue at centre - and it looked very much a shadow No. 1 side.
I'm slightly surprised that Jordie makes the bench ahead of Ben Smith - not many changes they could make to field less caps in the backs - BFA, Crotty and Rieko all on the outer - they could have picked Brad Weber, I guess.
We'll see for sure on Thursday.
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Yeah if Jordie Mac is selected it may point to one of Barrett or Mo'unga having a slight injury impacting goal-kicking?
@Bones Or maybe if one of Richie or Beaudy get hurt they think Jordie has the best skillset to carry on with the two play-makers thing.
@Machpants Hansen has almost entirely abandoned his "experience wins" mantra for this RWC.
Just another drum that was convenient to beat at the time?
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@Chris-B yeah that's gotta be our rawist backline in a world cup knock out for a few tournaments
@Machpants said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Chris-B yeah that's gotta be our rawist backline in a world cup knock out for a few tournaments
I imagine losing circa 300 caps would do that.
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
You think last November was an ambush?
Not an ambush, but we played really poorly. We weren't allowed to play well, but we really didn't cope with the rush defence, and our forwards were really really passive.
This is what's so tasty though - has Hansen worked out a counter to the Irish rush and grinding style? Japan Wales and England have shown templates on how to beat them ... not we have to see if we can manage the same thing.
Ireland play smart rugby, but it's not inspiring and it's got all the elements of why people didn't like England back in the day. Low risk, percentage rugby, relying on grinding penalties and only chancing the arm under penalty advantage. Effective for some time, but from a neutral perspective not that exciting
@nzzp said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Not an ambush, but we played really poorly. We weren't allowed to play well, but we really didn't cope with the rush defence, and our forwards were really really passive.
In other words, we were crap.
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I'd rather see ALB at 13 and Crotty in the 23.
I would have stuck with the Crotty-ALB combo and had SBW on the bench again. Goodhue still looked rusty as against Namibia.
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I'd rather see ALB at 13 and Crotty in the 23.
I would have stuck with the Crotty-ALB combo and had SBW on the bench again. Goodhue still looked rusty as against Namibia.
@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@KiwiMurph said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I'd rather see ALB at 13 and Crotty in the 23.
I would have stuck with the Crotty-ALB combo and had SBW on the bench again. Goodhue still looked rusty as against Namibia.
I thought that is how they would go , wasnt sure goodhue was back to his best in time either , maybe the coaches know more
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So supposedly a source close to the team have passed on to a mate (and so on)...so take with a grain of salt*.. Anyway they believe that unless injury occurs the team was announced internally yesterday.
1 Moody 2 Taylor 3 Laulala 4 Brodie 5 Whitelock 6 Savea 7 Cane 8 Read
9 Smith 10 Mounga 11 Bridge 12 ALB 13 Goodhue 14 Reece 15 B Barrett16 Coles 17 Ta’avao 18 (only one couldnt remember) 19 S Barrett 20 Todd
21 TJ 22 SBW 23 J. BarrettLets see later in the week, but a few talking points for sure.
- to their credit, they did predict the first team exactly, but I still have no idea who the source is. However sharing for the fun of it anyway
@bayimports said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
So supposedly a source close to the team have passed on to a mate (and so on)...so take with a grain of salt*.. Anyway they believe that unless injury occurs the team was announced internally yesterday.
1 Moody 2 Taylor 3 Laulala 4 Brodie 5 Whitelock 6 Savea 7 Cane 8 Read
9 Smith 10 Mounga 11 Bridge 12 ALB 13 Goodhue 14 Reece 15 B Barrett16 Coles 17 Ta’avao 18 (only one couldnt remember) 19 S Barrett 20 Todd
21 TJ 22 SBW 23 J. BarrettLets see later in the week, but a few talking points for sure.
- to their credit, they did predict the first team exactly, but I still have no idea who the source is. However sharing for the fun of it anyway
Someone told me Jordie was getting plenty of love as they trotted out for training , so that adds up if true
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I'd rather see ALB at 13 and Crotty in the 23.
I would have stuck with the Crotty-ALB combo and had SBW on the bench again. Goodhue still looked rusty as against Namibia.
@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@KiwiMurph said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I'd rather see ALB at 13 and Crotty in the 23.
I would have stuck with the Crotty-ALB combo and had SBW on the bench again. Goodhue still looked rusty as against Namibia.
I prefer SBW to start, which also provides a bit less disruption off the bench should injury occur.
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@Bovidae said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@KiwiMurph said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I'd rather see ALB at 13 and Crotty in the 23.
I would have stuck with the Crotty-ALB combo and had SBW on the bench again. Goodhue still looked rusty as against Namibia.
I prefer SBW to start, which also provides a bit less disruption off the bench should injury occur.
@Bones said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I prefer SBW to start, which also provides a bit less disruption off the bench should injury occur.
Maybe that is why they don't want Crotty and SBW in the 23 together. It's written in their contract.
In the SA game, Goodhue wasn't 100% so they didn't have much choice.
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Last time I saw this much confidence here was just before the Aussies smashed us to bits.
Ireland are a good side, who lack depth at 10. We seem to think they're shit now because they were beaten by Japan and thumped by England before the WC. But both games no Sexton. You can't play 10 man rugby without a 10.
They whipped Scotland and looked good against Samoa - they're not a spent force and they've beaten us 2 out of last 3. The Dublin game was one which we targeted to get payback for the first loss, and we scored 9 points and were well beaten.
Now I see Coles in the Herald saying 'we haven't talked about what happened last time'. Sounds a bit too much like Cheika not worrying about the opposition to me.As for us, our best forward is underdone, and our reserve scrummaging has looked a bit shaky. I don't think Cane is back to his best, and we lack the grunt to bend set defensive lines. We have beaten South Africa, and had a couple of pretty meaningless cakewalks vs minnows, that's all. There's obviously a lot of potential in the Mounga Barrett axis, but I don't consider it proven under pressure just yet, and we have inexperienced wings who we know will be targeted in the air. Our centre has been out injured and the 12-13 combo lacks match time together.
Underdogs, clearly.Glad we have Owens compared to some other options, but he's been below his usual high standards this cup, letting too much go at the breakdown and offside line which will suit the Irish. He is however the least likely to give a panicky dodgy shit red card.
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Last time I saw this much confidence here was just before the Aussies smashed us to bits.
Ireland are a good side, who lack depth at 10. We seem to think they're shit now because they were beaten by Japan and thumped by England before the WC. But both games no Sexton. You can't play 10 man rugby without a 10.
They whipped Scotland and looked good against Samoa - they're not a spent force and they've beaten us 2 out of last 3. The Dublin game was one which we targeted to get payback for the first loss, and we scored 9 points and were well beaten.
Now I see Coles in the Herald saying 'we haven't talked about what happened last time'. Sounds a bit too much like Cheika not worrying about the opposition to me.As for us, our best forward is underdone, and our reserve scrummaging has looked a bit shaky. I don't think Cane is back to his best, and we lack the grunt to bend set defensive lines. We have beaten South Africa, and had a couple of pretty meaningless cakewalks vs minnows, that's all. There's obviously a lot of potential in the Mounga Barrett axis, but I don't consider it proven under pressure just yet, and we have inexperienced wings who we know will be targeted in the air. Our centre has been out injured and the 12-13 combo lacks match time together.
Underdogs, clearly.Glad we have Owens compared to some other options, but he's been below his usual high standards this cup, letting too much go at the breakdown and offside line which will suit the Irish. He is however the least likely to give a panicky dodgy shit red card.
@reprobate said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Last time I saw this much confidence here was just before the Aussies smashed us to bits.
Ireland are a good side, who lack depth at 10. We seem to think they're shit now because they were beaten by Japan and thumped by England before the WC. But both games no Sexton. You can't play 10 man rugby without a 10.
They whipped Scotland and looked good against Samoa - they're not a spent force and they've beaten us 2 out of last 3. The Dublin game was one which we targeted to get payback for the first loss, and we scored 9 points and were well beaten.
Now I see Coles in the Herald saying 'we haven't talked about what happened last time'. Sounds a bit too much like Cheika not worrying about the opposition to me.As for us, our best forward is underdone, and our reserve scrummaging has looked a bit shaky. I don't think Cane is back to his best, and we lack the grunt to bend set defensive lines. We have beaten South Africa, and had a couple of pretty meaningless cakewalks vs minnows, that's all. There's obviously a lot of potential in the Mounga Barrett axis, but I don't consider it proven under pressure just yet, and we have inexperienced wings who we know will be targeted in the air. Our centre has been out injured and the 12-13 combo lacks match time together.
Underdogs, clearly.Glad we have Owens compared to some other options, but he's been below his usual high standards this cup, letting too much go at the breakdown and offside line which will suit the Irish. He is however the least likely to give a panicky dodgy shit red card.
I agree with this, am nowhere near as confident as some. The betting markets are a bit silly. I emotionally hedged by backing Ireland @ $5.70. And yes, I hate myself.
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Last time I saw this much confidence here was just before the Aussies smashed us to bits.
Ireland are a good side, who lack depth at 10. We seem to think they're shit now because they were beaten by Japan and thumped by England before the WC. But both games no Sexton. You can't play 10 man rugby without a 10.
They whipped Scotland and looked good against Samoa - they're not a spent force and they've beaten us 2 out of last 3. The Dublin game was one which we targeted to get payback for the first loss, and we scored 9 points and were well beaten.
Now I see Coles in the Herald saying 'we haven't talked about what happened last time'. Sounds a bit too much like Cheika not worrying about the opposition to me.As for us, our best forward is underdone, and our reserve scrummaging has looked a bit shaky. I don't think Cane is back to his best, and we lack the grunt to bend set defensive lines. We have beaten South Africa, and had a couple of pretty meaningless cakewalks vs minnows, that's all. There's obviously a lot of potential in the Mounga Barrett axis, but I don't consider it proven under pressure just yet, and we have inexperienced wings who we know will be targeted in the air. Our centre has been out injured and the 12-13 combo lacks match time together.
Underdogs, clearly.Glad we have Owens compared to some other options, but he's been below his usual high standards this cup, letting too much go at the breakdown and offside line which will suit the Irish. He is however the least likely to give a panicky dodgy shit red card.
@reprobate said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Ireland are a good side, who lack depth at 10. We seem to think they're shit now because they were beaten by Japan and thumped by England before the WC. But both games no Sexton. You can't play 10 man rugby without a 10.
They lost to England and Wales this year in the 6N with Sexton, both significant losses on the scoreboard too. If you look at both games they were full strength or thereabouts yet were bullied.
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@reprobate said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Last time I saw this much confidence here was just before the Aussies smashed us to bits.
Ireland are a good side, who lack depth at 10. We seem to think they're shit now because they were beaten by Japan and thumped by England before the WC. But both games no Sexton. You can't play 10 man rugby without a 10.
They whipped Scotland and looked good against Samoa - they're not a spent force and they've beaten us 2 out of last 3. The Dublin game was one which we targeted to get payback for the first loss, and we scored 9 points and were well beaten.
Now I see Coles in the Herald saying 'we haven't talked about what happened last time'. Sounds a bit too much like Cheika not worrying about the opposition to me.As for us, our best forward is underdone, and our reserve scrummaging has looked a bit shaky. I don't think Cane is back to his best, and we lack the grunt to bend set defensive lines. We have beaten South Africa, and had a couple of pretty meaningless cakewalks vs minnows, that's all. There's obviously a lot of potential in the Mounga Barrett axis, but I don't consider it proven under pressure just yet, and we have inexperienced wings who we know will be targeted in the air. Our centre has been out injured and the 12-13 combo lacks match time together.
Underdogs, clearly.Glad we have Owens compared to some other options, but he's been below his usual high standards this cup, letting too much go at the breakdown and offside line which will suit the Irish. He is however the least likely to give a panicky dodgy shit red card.
I agree with this, am nowhere near as confident as some. The betting markets are a bit silly. I emotionally hedged by backing Ireland @ $5.70. And yes, I hate myself.
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@reprobate said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Ireland are a good side, who lack depth at 10. We seem to think they're shit now because they were beaten by Japan and thumped by England before the WC. But both games no Sexton. You can't play 10 man rugby without a 10.
They lost to England and Wales this year in the 6N with Sexton, both significant losses on the scoreboard too. If you look at both games they were full strength or thereabouts yet were bullied.
@mofitzy_ said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@reprobate said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
Ireland are a good side, who lack depth at 10. We seem to think they're shit now because they were beaten by Japan and thumped by England before the WC. But both games no Sexton. You can't play 10 man rugby without a 10.
They lost to England and Wales this year in the 6N with Sexton, both significant losses on the scoreboard too. If you look at both games they were full strength or thereabouts yet were bullied.
Yep, is our form so much better? That Welsh game is why the Irish hate Gardner incidentally, 1 try each but Anscombe kicked 6 penalties.
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Last time I saw this much confidence here was just before the Aussies smashed us to bits.
Ireland are a good side, who lack depth at 10. We seem to think they're shit now because they were beaten by Japan and thumped by England before the WC. But both games no Sexton. You can't play 10 man rugby without a 10.
They whipped Scotland and looked good against Samoa - they're not a spent force and they've beaten us 2 out of last 3. The Dublin game was one which we targeted to get payback for the first loss, and we scored 9 points and were well beaten.
Now I see Coles in the Herald saying 'we haven't talked about what happened last time'. Sounds a bit too much like Cheika not worrying about the opposition to me.As for us, our best forward is underdone, and our reserve scrummaging has looked a bit shaky. I don't think Cane is back to his best, and we lack the grunt to bend set defensive lines. We have beaten South Africa, and had a couple of pretty meaningless cakewalks vs minnows, that's all. There's obviously a lot of potential in the Mounga Barrett axis, but I don't consider it proven under pressure just yet, and we have inexperienced wings who we know will be targeted in the air. Our centre has been out injured and the 12-13 combo lacks match time together.
Underdogs, clearly.Glad we have Owens compared to some other options, but he's been below his usual high standards this cup, letting too much go at the breakdown and offside line which will suit the Irish. He is however the least likely to give a panicky dodgy shit red card.
@reprobate out of interest, what does the RM/BB axis have to do to be proven?
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I am feeling more nervous than most about this game.
We have had a pretty crap year, got hammered by Aus, drew with the Boks, beat Argentina by just 4.
Beaten by Ireland last 2out of 3 times we played.
I think people have very short memories. Was only a few months ago that it was all doom and gloom. Now we beat the Boks, and a couple tier 2 nations and we are favorites again?If we can score some quick points we should be ok, but a grinding close game, has to be advantage Ireland.
And now you get a red card for just making eye contact with someone....
I'm excited for this game, but just not as confident as most people I guess. -
I am feeling more nervous than most about this game.
We have had a pretty crap year, got hammered by Aus, drew with the Boks, beat Argentina by just 4.
Beaten by Ireland last 2out of 3 times we played.
I think people have very short memories. Was only a few months ago that it was all doom and gloom. Now we beat the Boks, and a couple tier 2 nations and we are favorites again?If we can score some quick points we should be ok, but a grinding close game, has to be advantage Ireland.
And now you get a red card for just making eye contact with someone....
I'm excited for this game, but just not as confident as most people I guess.@Darren said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I am feeling more nervous than most about this game.
We have had a pretty crap year, got hammered by Aus, drew with the Boks, beat Argentina by just 4.
Beaten by Ireland last 2out of 3 times we played.
I think people have very short memories. Was only a few months ago that it was all doom and gloom. Now we beat the Boks, and a couple tier 2 nations and we are favorites again?If we can score some quick points we should be ok, but a grinding close game, has to be advantage Ireland.
And now you get a red card for just making eye contact with someone....
I'm excited for this game, but just not as confident as most people I guess.For whom?
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@Darren said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I am feeling more nervous than most about this game.
We have had a pretty crap year, got hammered by Aus, drew with the Boks, beat Argentina by just 4.
Beaten by Ireland last 2out of 3 times we played.
I think people have very short memories. Was only a few months ago that it was all doom and gloom. Now we beat the Boks, and a couple tier 2 nations and we are favorites again?If we can score some quick points we should be ok, but a grinding close game, has to be advantage Ireland.
And now you get a red card for just making eye contact with someone....
I'm excited for this game, but just not as confident as most people I guess.For whom?
@Bones said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
@Darren said in RWC: All Blacks v Ireland (QF2):
I am feeling more nervous than most about this game.
We have had a pretty crap year, got hammered by Aus, drew with the Boks, beat Argentina by just 4.
Beaten by Ireland last 2out of 3 times we played.
I think people have very short memories. Was only a few months ago that it was all doom and gloom. Now we beat the Boks, and a couple tier 2 nations and we are favorites again?If we can score some quick points we should be ok, but a grinding close game, has to be advantage Ireland.
And now you get a red card for just making eye contact with someone....
I'm excited for this game, but just not as confident as most people I guess.For whom?
You don't remember after we lost to Aus? I'm sure you could go back and read what people were saying.
