World Cup Final match thread
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<p>First thing is the ball has already left Genia's boot at this stage, though not by much.</p>
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<p>The main bits I used to check Foley were the 5m line marker versus 15m line marker (Owens partially obscurces the latter) but also the mowing line you can see running through the ruck (dark grass versus slightly lighter grass). Foley is further from the darker grassed area.</p>
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<p>I tried to use the 40m line, but <strong>because of parallax effect</strong> it doesn't actually sit correctly on the right side of the picture. I cut off the extreme right side of the picture when taking the screen shot.</p>
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<p>I haven't read back to discover what this discussion is about but I am sure as <em>ship</em> going to use that line on Friday night at the boozer on the several expat New Zealand mates who will arrive triumphant. I'll be sent off to buy a penalty shout for my sins but I'm gonna use it anyway!</p>
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<p>Jeez guys can we let the reffing go? It's a bit sad. You won, deservedly. Each side can point to places where they feel hard done by. That's rugby.</p>
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<p>This business of raking through decisions and non-decisions with a fine tooth comb just gets in the way of talking about the 30 blokes that really mattered.</p>
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<p>I cannot recall referee decisions getting anywhere near the attention they attract now in post match arguments with the mates in years gone by.</p>
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<p>We focused mostly on things like Scott-bloody-Johnson kicking away too much good ball, why Roebuck wasn't used more and the lunatic action / sensational effort by Campesi. What Peter Marshall, John McCarthy or Stuart Dickinson (or Gordon Bray in lower grades) had done out in the middle truly was incidental.</p> -
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<p>So not convincing then?</p>
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<p>Ron Jeremy will tell you it's the most realistic and convincing acting there is, and who am I to argue with the hedgehog?</p>
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<p>I continue to be dazzled and amused by "the fly" crawling across the camera lens during both halves of the Final, he (maybe it's a she) is hilarious.</p> -
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<p>where is the missed knock on? i recall one that seemed it but after watching it numerous times last night it wasn't. Was a poor pass that hit Skuds/B Smith?? foot before he picked it up? They shot to Cheika and he was having a bit of a tanty but it wasn't a knock on. Is that the one?</p>
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<p>The one around halfway, centre-field? I watched it a few times, couldn't be conclusive, then went with initial reaction of probably lost forward. Happy to accept otherwise though, now we are down to just 1 decision that went our way... :yes:</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="kiwiinmelb" data-cid="538246" data-time="1446423608"><p>I think end of the day , both sides knew before hand what they were up against , and you have to prepare accordingly , <br><br>
There was concern along time before the tournament started , a tough semi against South Africa would drain us even if we won , <br><br>
With the benefit of hindsight that wasnt the case , it has to said Hanson and co managed our players perfectly</p></blockquote>
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<p>Stuff I just realised, which may already have been mentioned about this final:</p>
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<p>1) Most tries scored in a RWC final (5)</p>
<p>2) Most tries scored by the losing side in a RWC final (2)</p>
<p>3) Equal highest score by the losing side in a RWC final (17 - both Australia) but most points in regular time by the losing side</p>
<p>4) Equal highest number of tries by the winning side (3 - both NZ)</p>
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<p>The one around halfway, centre-field? I watched it a few times, couldn't be conclusive, then went with initial reaction of probably lost forward. Happy to accept otherwise though, now we are down to just 1 decision that went our way... :yes:</p>
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<p>yeah same one. Definitely inconclusive...one of those i reckon you can read whatever you want into depending on your bias. Anyway i looked at it a number of times and it was messy but convinced it wasn't a knock on and NO is right there and let it run.</p> -
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<p>One of the saddest things to have happened to sports journalism in the UK is the decline of the <em>Daily Telegraph</em>.. A few years ago it was simply outstanding with its insight and writing quality - now it's simply shoddy writing and click-bait</p>
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<p>Oh yeah. I don't know if anyone noticed this cracker graphic from the DT. Look at the average height of both the AB and Wob backs!</p>
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<p>Man reading this thread was more exhausting than watching the game!</p>
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<p>Don't get all the angst over the refereeing decisions although maybe I would if I was an Aussie. Certainly there's a fair bit of angst over at GGR.</p>
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<p>So big ups to Aussie posters here for staying classy.</p>
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<p>Both teams conducted themselves well post match. I can't imagine how much it hurts to lose a final. Shame some supporters from both nations couldn't follow suit.</p>
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<p>Oh yeah. I don't know if anyone noticed this cracker graphic from the DT. Look at the average height of both the AB and Wob backs!</p>
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<p><img src="http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/public/style_images/master/attachicon.gif" alt="attachicon.gif"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=1898'>Screen Shot 2015-11-02 at 1.47.13 PM.png</a></p>
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<p>And the height of the Aussie forwards explains why they got done in the lineouts I suppose.</p>
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<p>average back 5 foot 6....surely not. Friggin midgets !</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="538283" data-time="1446425036"><p>Stuff I just realised, which may already have been mentioned about this final:<br> <br>1) Most tries scored in a RWC final (5)<br>2) Most tries scored by the losing side in a RWC final (2)<br>3) Equal highest score by the losing side in a RWC final (17 - both Australia) but most points in regular time by the losing side<br>4) Equal highest number of tries by the winning side (3 - both NZ)<br> <br>Just short of highest score and biggest margin.</p></blockquote><br>Yeah. IMO best final, in the best RWC to date.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="JC" data-cid="538289" data-time="1446425421">
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<p>Oh yeah. I don't know if anyone noticed this cracker graphic from the DT. Look at the average height of both the AB and Wob backs!</p>
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<p><img src="http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/public/style_images/master/attachicon.gif" alt="attachicon.gif"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=1898'>Screen Shot 2015-11-02 at 1.47.13 PM.png</a></p>
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<p>And the height of the Aussie forwards explains why they got done in the lineouts I suppose.</p>
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<p>Aaron Smith and NMS dragging the ave down a bit too much?</p> -
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Speaking of obstruction, I hate the rule for a kick chase where a defender only has to "not deviate" his line to be legal. This is so daft. Watch Mitchell size up the Savea line on a kick chase, then run "straight" into his way to prevent him challenging for the ball. Mitchell was running at 45 degrees from where the ball was going to land with zero intention of challenging for it - perfectly legal, just a daft rule<br><br></p></blockquote>Is this really the rule now? <br><br>
Mitchell's run was not anywhere near a straight line to the ball. He angled in at about 45 degrees and intercepted Savea about 5 to 10 m from where the ball landed/was caught.<br><br>
I had this as 1 of 2 clear penalties missed in the phase in lead up to our forward pass penalty. So swings and roundabouts and all that etc.<br><br>
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average back 5 foot 6....surely not. Friggin midgets !</p></blockquote>
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<p>Oh yeah. I don't know if anyone noticed this cracker graphic from the DT. Look at the average height of both the AB and Wob backs!</p>
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<p><img src="http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/public/style_images/master/attachicon.gif" alt="attachicon.gif"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=1898'>Screen Shot 2015-11-02 at 1.47.13 PM.png</a></p>
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<p>And the height of the Aussie forwards explains why they got done in the lineouts I suppose.</p>
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<p>Issues:</p>
<p>1) Average overall height of Australia listed as 6'</p>
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<p>2) Average height of Forwards is listed as 5'9" (despite none of them being that short)</p>
<p>3) Average height of backs 5'5"</p>
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<p>:think:</p>
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<p>So unless I'm reading that completely wrong, or there is another rugby position outside "forwards" and "backs" that isn't represented, I'd suggest this data was assembled by someone unfamiliar with mathematics.</p> -
<p>Yeah, how can the average be 5'6'' when not even one player is 5'6'' or below. That's the sort of math that would have even Blackdragon scratching his head....</p>
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<p>Genia, Pocock, Foley, etc are "short" but they would all be 5'8 and above.</p> -
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<p>From voodoo's post:<br><br>
Is this really the rule now?<br><br>
Mitchell's run was not anywhere near a straight line <strong>to the ball</strong>. He angled in at about 45 degrees and intercepted Savea about 5 to 10 m from where the ball landed/was caught.<br><br>
I had this as 1 of 2 clear penalties missed in the phase in lead up to our forward pass penalty. So swings and roundabouts and all that etc.<br><br>
Do I have to revise my opinion? Please tell me 'no'.</p>
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<p>The bit in bold is the bit I understand to be the issue. The defender just has to run a straight line I think, there doesn't have to be any intention to run towards the ball. As you say, Mitchell was running 45 degrees to the ball, but because he set his line early and didn't deviate, I don't think its obstruction.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="538313" data-time="1446428080"><p>I'd suggest this data was assembled by someone unfamiliar with mathematics.</p></blockquote><br>Or the same level of professionalism they've adopted with journalism lately...
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<p>Aaron Smith is listed as 1.71m, which is about 5 feet 7?</p>
