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RWC: England v Australia (QF 1)

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  • NTAN Offline
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    IF IF IF that is the team:

    I think our forward pack will probably give a better account of themselves than in the last 6 drubbings by England, which isn't saying much. That is basically a forward pack that is predictable - tho the complete absence of Kepu is somewhat of a surprise.

    The backs have some good combinations. It will be interesting to see Kerevi line up the hole between George Ford and Shoulders Farrell to see how hard the Pommy back row want to work. Probably more interesting will be watching them skip pass Kerevi and see how Tuilagi deals with Petaia and vice-versa.

    The downfall? Our game plan - the one-out attacking will get eaten up by the Poms and they'll rely on the French ref's complete lack of desire to adjudicate the ruck as carte blanche to mess it up good.

    Probably the best-ish team we could have picked but we'll still get mullered to the tune of 15 points.

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      #73

      England confirmed

      15 Elliot Daly (Saracens, 36 caps)

      14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 39 caps)

      13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 23 caps)

      12 Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 37 caps)

      11 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 49 caps)

      10 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 76 caps) C

      9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 92 caps)

      1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 55 caps)

      2 Jamie George (Saracens, 42 caps)

      3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 28 caps)

      4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 31 caps)

      5 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 78 caps)

      6 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 16 caps)

      7 Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 12 caps)

      8 Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 48 caps)

      Reserves

      16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 18 caps)

      17 Joe Marler (Harlequins, 65 caps)

      18 Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 92 caps)

      19 George Kruis (Saracens, 38 caps)

      20 Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints, 5 caps)

      21 Willi Heinz (Gloucester Rugby, 7 caps)

      22 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 62 caps)

      23 Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 44 caps)

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      • BovidaeB Offline
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        #74

        I note the reserves are called finishers in the official press release.

        Lawes ahead of Kruis is a little surprising, although I rate the former player.

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        • NTAN Offline
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          Interesting for me they choose to leave Ford on the bench. Bash n barge it is, then look to finish us off with pace.

          Run at Farrell all day until the red card achievement is unlocked.

          Maybe it'll be red for Kerevi fending him off. Who knows? #wheelofskeen

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          • NTAN Offline
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            #76

            Two very similar teams IMHO - England have picked a big bopper at 8 and two flankers similar in size to Pooper.

            Their tight 5 isn't quite as tall as ours but I'm sure they'll have their shit together.

            Ages:

            STARTING XV - 26.6 (Oz 26.9)

            • Tight Five - 27.2 (Oz 26.2)
            • Forwards - 25.8 (Oz 26.6)
            • Backs - 27.6 (Oz 27.1)

            BENCH VIII - 28.1 (Oz 26.6)

            • Forwards - 27.8 (Oz 25.2)
            • Backs - 28.7 (Oz 29)

            MATCH DAY XXIII - 27.1 (Oz 26.8)

            Oldest: Heinz/Cole @ 32 (Lawes/Youngs 30) v Pocock @ 31 (Slipper and Beale are 30)
            Youngest: Curry @ 21 (Underhill 23, Itoje 24) v Petaia @ 19 (Uelese 22, Rodda 23)

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            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

              @voodoo It's definitely risky but I don't see that many great alternative options. JOC is not a 13 himself. Kerevi and TK have never worked as a combo. Petaia looks like the best back prospect that has come through the Aussie system in 10 years - he's one of their best talents they have so I think they are much better off with him out there rather than being too cautious and wondering what if. Wallabies have lost something like 6 test matches in a row against England so what they have been doing hasn't been working.

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              @KiwiMurph said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

              @voodoo It's definitely risky but I don't see that many great alternative options. JOC is not a 13 himself. Kerevi and TK have never worked as a combo. Petaia looks like the best back prospect that has come through the Aussie system in 10 years - he's one of their best talents they have so I think they are much better off with him out there rather than being too cautious and wondering what if. Wallabies have lost something like 6 test matches in a row against England so what they have been doing hasn't been working.

              Yeah I reckon that had to look for more x Factor Petata seems to have some they can’t die wondering good selection I think.

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              • ChrisC Chris

                @KiwiMurph said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

                @voodoo It's definitely risky but I don't see that many great alternative options. JOC is not a 13 himself. Kerevi and TK have never worked as a combo. Petaia looks like the best back prospect that has come through the Aussie system in 10 years - he's one of their best talents they have so I think they are much better off with him out there rather than being too cautious and wondering what if. Wallabies have lost something like 6 test matches in a row against England so what they have been doing hasn't been working.

                Yeah I reckon that had to look for more x Factor Petata seems to have some they can’t die wondering good selection I think.

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                Remember this game is under a roof as well. I think Wallabies might be going with a high tempo gameplan.

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                • NTAN Offline
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                  #79

                  Forward packs:

                  Tight Five total weight: ENG 581kg v AUS 590kg
                  Forward Pack total weight: ENG 920kg v AUS 916kg (B Vunipola listed at 130kg is the main difference)
                  Back Five average height: ENG 191cm v AUS 194cm

                  Can barely fit a struck match between them.

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                  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                    @voodoo Petaia also played outside centre in the NRC last year.

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                    @KiwiMurph said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

                    @voodoo Petaia also played outside centre in the NRC last year.

                    It’s where he is best placed because he actually has good vision.

                    Wasted on the wing.

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                      Could be an inspired decision. Probably offers more than Kuridrani, but Kuridrani is a pretty good defender.

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                        As predicted from Day 1, Farrell to 10 when the real games start.

                        Very surprised Slade starts before Joseph. Very little game time for Slade.

                        Could come back to haunt Eddie.

                        And think Manu is more effective at 13 when put in a bit of space rather than 12 and trying to bash to make space.

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                        • antipodeanA antipodean

                          Could be an inspired decision. Probably offers more than Kuridrani, but Kuridrani is a pretty good defender.

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                          @antipodean said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

                          Could be an inspired decision. Probably offers more than Kuridrani, but Kuridrani is a pretty good defender.

                          He's good in contact, but he makes bad decisions on defence and leaves holes.

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                          • NTAN NTA

                            Interesting for me they choose to leave Ford on the bench. Bash n barge it is, then look to finish us off with pace.

                            Run at Farrell all day until the red card achievement is unlocked.

                            Maybe it'll be red for Kerevi fending him off. Who knows? #wheelofskeen

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                            @NTA said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

                            Interesting for me they choose to leave Ford on the bench. Bash n barge it is, then look to finish us off with pace.

                            Run at Farrell all day until the red card achievement is unlocked.

                            Maybe it'll be red for Kerevi fending him off. Who knows? #wheelofskeen

                            I reckon England have made a clear selection to get Kerevi running closer in towards the big boys and to protect the Ford-Farrell axis - early win for the Aussies forcing the Poms to change their team?

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                              @NTA said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

                              Interesting for me they choose to leave Ford on the bench. Bash n barge it is, then look to finish us off with pace.

                              Run at Farrell all day until the red card achievement is unlocked.

                              Maybe it'll be red for Kerevi fending him off. Who knows? #wheelofskeen

                              I reckon England have made a clear selection to get Kerevi running closer in towards the big boys and to protect the Ford-Farrell axis - early win for the Aussies forcing the Poms to change their team?

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                              @junior said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

                              @NTA said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

                              Interesting for me they choose to leave Ford on the bench. Bash n barge it is, then look to finish us off with pace.

                              Run at Farrell all day until the red card achievement is unlocked.

                              Maybe it'll be red for Kerevi fending him off. Who knows? #wheelofskeen

                              I reckon England have made a clear selection to get Kerevi running closer in towards the big boys and to protect the Ford-Farrell axis - early win for the Aussies forcing the Poms to change their team?

                              I reckon they'll be using Tuilagi against Lilo in much the same way, which was probably always their plan against us. Ford/Farrell against Wales.

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                                Why has Cheika decided to ditch James O'Connor and go with Petaia all of a sudden?
                                Desperation move or planned?

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                                • TimT Away
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                                  #87

                                  Hodge and Beale are baffling selections. Look for a lot of high ball kicked to the defensively poor Beale.

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                                  • FrankF Frank

                                    Why has Cheika decided to ditch James O'Connor and go with Petaia all of a sudden?
                                    Desperation move or planned?

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                                    @Frank said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

                                    Why has Cheika decided to ditch James O'Connor and go with Petaia all of a sudden?
                                    Desperation move or planned?

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                                    • canefanC canefan

                                      @Frank said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

                                      Why has Cheika decided to ditch James O'Connor and go with Petaia all of a sudden?
                                      Desperation move or planned?

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                                      @canefan said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

                                      @Frank said in RWC: England v Australia (QF 1):

                                      Why has Cheika decided to ditch James O'Connor and go with Petaia all of a sudden?
                                      Desperation move or planned?

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                                      Heads or this random selection

                                      Wallabies team to play England in RWC quarter-final
                                      Scott Sio
                                      Tolu Latu
                                      Allan Alaalatoa
                                      Izack Rodda
                                      Rory Arnold
                                      David Pocock
                                      Michael Hooper (c)
                                      Isi Naisarani
                                      Will Genia
                                      Christian Lealiifano
                                      Marika Koroibete
                                      Samu Kerevi
                                      Jordan Petaia
                                      Reece Hodge
                                      Kurtley Beale

                                      Bench

                                      Jordan Uelese
                                      James Slipper
                                      Taniela Tupou
                                      Adam Coleman
                                      Lukhan Salakaia-Loto
                                      Nic White
                                      Matt Toomua
                                      James O’Connor

                                      https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/10/17/wallabies-rwc-quarter-final-team-selection-vs-england-heedless-of-the-opposition-michael-cheika-rearranges-the-deck-chairs-once-again/

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                                      • MajorPomM Offline
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                                        Buggered if I understand that Aussie team.

                                        James O'Connor has been playing well and the Aussie backline has looked better every time that Toomua has come on.

                                        This Petaia must be an absolute superstar in the making to be starting in a world cup knockout over both of these guys. I know nothing of him really, so can't offer much comment.

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                                        • MajorPomM MajorPom

                                          Buggered if I understand that Aussie team.

                                          James O'Connor has been playing well and the Aussie backline has looked better every time that Toomua has come on.

                                          This Petaia must be an absolute superstar in the making to be starting in a world cup knockout over both of these guys. I know nothing of him really, so can't offer much comment.

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                                          @MajorRage maybe Cheika is "keeping his powder dry" for the last 30 minutes?

                                          p.s. keeping powder dry must be the most over-used phrase I keep seeing re this RWC...

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