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RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)

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    At 6 I'd play Barrett in the first half and Savea in the second

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    • NTAN NTA

      @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

      Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

      images (5).jpeg

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      #80

      @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

      @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

      Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

      images (5).jpeg

      I think that's worth upvoting ...

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        Sam Cane injury free?

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          Blackheart
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          #82

          The Boks must be stoked that they lost to NZ in the pools stage...Japan then Wales V Ireland and England?

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          • NTAN NTA

            @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

            Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

            images (5).jpeg

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            No Quarter
            wrote on last edited by
            #83

            @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

            @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

            Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

            images (5).jpeg

            I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

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            • mofitzy_M mofitzy_

              Sam Cane injury free?

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              KiwiMurph
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              #84

              @mofitzy_ said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

              Sam Cane injury free?

              Yes.

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              • No QuarterN No Quarter

                @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

                images (5).jpeg

                I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

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                Crucial
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                #85

                @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

                images (5).jpeg

                I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

                These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
                England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

                etc etc

                No QuarterN 1 Reply Last reply
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                • CrucialC Crucial

                  @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                  @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                  @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                  Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

                  images (5).jpeg

                  I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

                  These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
                  England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

                  etc etc

                  No QuarterN Offline
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                  No Quarter
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #86

                  @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                  @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                  @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                  @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                  Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

                  images (5).jpeg

                  I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

                  These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
                  England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

                  etc etc

                  Easy there fella it was a joke

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                  • No QuarterN No Quarter

                    @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

                    images (5).jpeg

                    I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

                    These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
                    England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

                    etc etc

                    Easy there fella it was a joke

                    CrucialC Offline
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                    Crucial
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #87

                    @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

                    images (5).jpeg

                    I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

                    These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
                    England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

                    etc etc

                    Easy there fella it was a joke

                    Just leveraging off your post to comment on the likes of this...
                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116764615/all-blacks-v-england-english-rule-a-combined-xv-with-new-zealand-ahead-of-rugby-world-cup-semifinal

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                    • CrucialC Crucial

                      @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

                      images (5).jpeg

                      I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

                      These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
                      England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

                      etc etc

                      Easy there fella it was a joke

                      Just leveraging off your post to comment on the likes of this...
                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116764615/all-blacks-v-england-english-rule-a-combined-xv-with-new-zealand-ahead-of-rugby-world-cup-semifinal

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                      #88

                      @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

                      images (5).jpeg

                      I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

                      These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
                      England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

                      etc etc

                      Easy there fella it was a joke

                      Just leveraging off your post to comment on the likes of this...
                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116764615/all-blacks-v-england-english-rule-a-combined-xv-with-new-zealand-ahead-of-rugby-world-cup-semifinal

                      It’s a long week to fill with non-sensical irrational content.

                      Perfect for the Fern.

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                      • CrucialC Crucial

                        @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

                        images (5).jpeg

                        I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

                        These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
                        England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

                        etc etc

                        Easy there fella it was a joke

                        Just leveraging off your post to comment on the likes of this...
                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116764615/all-blacks-v-england-english-rule-a-combined-xv-with-new-zealand-ahead-of-rugby-world-cup-semifinal

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                        #89

                        @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

                        images (5).jpeg

                        I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

                        These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
                        England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

                        etc etc

                        Easy there fella it was a joke

                        Just leveraging off your post to comment on the likes of this...
                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116764615/all-blacks-v-england-english-rule-a-combined-xv-with-new-zealand-ahead-of-rugby-world-cup-semifinal

                        Stuart Barnes.

                        Trolling trolling trolling ...

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                          Rapido
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                          #90

                          Taken from Reddit:

                          England had just 10 minutes and 34 seconds of possession in their #RWC2019 quarter-final against Australia, their lowest amount in a game since Opta have recorded this data (2010)

                          I admit, sometimes modern rugby just confuses the f*%k out of me.

                          The way possession and territory stats can flip flop from week to week and not often have any bearing on the result.

                          I don't know how to begin to analyse the upcoming semifinal when you have a team defying their national sterotype and yet winning so convincingly.
                          From ESPN stats:
                          stats1.PNG

                          stats2.PNG

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                            Crucial
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #91

                            That's interesting though. The clear tactic was to let Oz have the ball then suffocate them.
                            We have done that tactic in the past as well.
                            I doubt whether England will do the same against us though. I think they will look to hold on to the ball as much as possible.
                            Now the big question is whether the players have the maturity/ ability to change up styles from one week to another and not get it wrong. England have shown, in recent past, a total inability to think during a game and get bogged down in plans that aren't working.

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                            • RapidoR Rapido

                              Taken from Reddit:

                              England had just 10 minutes and 34 seconds of possession in their #RWC2019 quarter-final against Australia, their lowest amount in a game since Opta have recorded this data (2010)

                              I admit, sometimes modern rugby just confuses the f*%k out of me.

                              The way possession and territory stats can flip flop from week to week and not often have any bearing on the result.

                              I don't know how to begin to analyse the upcoming semifinal when you have a team defying their national sterotype and yet winning so convincingly.
                              From ESPN stats:
                              stats1.PNG

                              stats2.PNG

                              DuluthD Offline
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                              Duluth
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #92

                              @Rapido

                              Impressive tackling stats from their pack (Most of the misses came from the backs, particularly 10/12/13)

                              Player Tackles Missed Tackles
                              M Vunipola 20 0
                              George 18 0
                              Sinckler 10 1
                              Itoje 15 0
                              Lawes 15 0
                              Curry 17 1
                              Underhill 20 2
                              B Vunipola 16 0
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                              • MajorPomM Offline
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                                MajorPom
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                                #93

                                Barnes team about what I’d expect from an English scribe.

                                For me Lawes every day over Itoje.

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                                • BlackheartB Blackheart

                                  The Boks must be stoked that they lost to NZ in the pools stage...Japan then Wales V Ireland and England?

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                                  Richie8-7
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #94

                                  @Blackheart Japan were a harder quarter-final than Ireland

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                                    #95

                                    Itoje is the Sexton of locks .

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                                    • boobooB booboo

                                      @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                      @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                      @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                      @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                      @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                      @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                      Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

                                      images (5).jpeg

                                      I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

                                      These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
                                      England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

                                      etc etc

                                      Easy there fella it was a joke

                                      Just leveraging off your post to comment on the likes of this...
                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116764615/all-blacks-v-england-english-rule-a-combined-xv-with-new-zealand-ahead-of-rugby-world-cup-semifinal

                                      Stuart Barnes.

                                      Trolling trolling trolling ...

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                                      NTA
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                                      #96

                                      @booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                      @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                      @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                      @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                      @No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                      @NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                      @junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                      Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

                                      images (5).jpeg

                                      I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

                                      These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
                                      England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

                                      etc etc

                                      Easy there fella it was a joke

                                      Just leveraging off your post to comment on the likes of this...
                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116764615/all-blacks-v-england-english-rule-a-combined-xv-with-new-zealand-ahead-of-rugby-world-cup-semifinal

                                      Stuart Barnes.

                                      Trolling trolling trolling ...

                                      He's not actually trolling - this is honestly what he thinks as an old school Pom.

                                      Wales undefeated 6N champions and he's still treating them like poor cousins.

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                                      • DuluthD Duluth

                                        @Rapido

                                        Impressive tackling stats from their pack (Most of the misses came from the backs, particularly 10/12/13)

                                        Player Tackles Missed Tackles
                                        M Vunipola 20 0
                                        George 18 0
                                        Sinckler 10 1
                                        Itoje 15 0
                                        Lawes 15 0
                                        Curry 17 1
                                        Underhill 20 2
                                        B Vunipola 16 0
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                                        NTA
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                                        #97

                                        @Duluth said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                        @Rapido

                                        Impressive tackling stats from their pack (Most of the misses came from the backs, particularly 10/12/13)

                                        Player Tackles Missed Tackles
                                        M Vunipola 20 0
                                        George 18 0
                                        Sinckler 10 1
                                        Itoje 15 0
                                        Lawes 15 0
                                        Curry 17 1
                                        Underhill 20 2
                                        B Vunipola 16 0

                                        Also fairly straightforward when the modus operandii of the opposition is one-out running straight at a defender.

                                        The Poms are big, strong lads. They play that style in their Premiership every week. Lapped it up.

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                                        • CrucialC Crucial

                                          That's interesting though. The clear tactic was to let Oz have the ball then suffocate them.
                                          We have done that tactic in the past as well.
                                          I doubt whether England will do the same against us though. I think they will look to hold on to the ball as much as possible.
                                          Now the big question is whether the players have the maturity/ ability to change up styles from one week to another and not get it wrong. England have shown, in recent past, a total inability to think during a game and get bogged down in plans that aren't working.

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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #98

                                          @Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
                                          England have shown, in recent past, a total inability to think during a game and get bogged down in plans that aren't working.

                                          Not disagreeing, but in which games did this happen?

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