Aussie Pro Rugby
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@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I doubt many casual sports fans in Australia bother to watch the wallabies anymore. Hell I bet many dedicated rugby fans do
Maybe. That doesn't change my point.
His job description is very different than someone like Richard Turner in NZ
@Duluth said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I doubt many casual sports fans in Australia bother to watch the wallabies anymore. Hell I bet many dedicated rugby fans do
Maybe. That doesn't change my point.
His job description is very different than someone like Richard Turner in NZ
Who would be his equivalent here? Stevenson?
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@Duluth said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I doubt many casual sports fans in Australia bother to watch the wallabies anymore. Hell I bet many dedicated rugby fans do
Maybe. That doesn't change my point.
His job description is very different than someone like Richard Turner in NZ
Who would be his equivalent here? Stevenson?
He's a comments man. So Marshall
But I don't think he's in the A team anymore? So someone like Turner is about right
Edit - or are you talking in terms of cheerleading? Stevenson fan boys over players but I think he is different again. Our market doesn't need a Kearns because rugby is the no1 sport
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@rotated said in Aussie Rugby in general:
If the conclusion is that it wasn't a disaster then you may as well pack up and call it a day.
The broader discussion is about whether Australian Rugby still can be considered - even by itself - a Tier 1 Nation given the last 2 decades of decline.
So, yes.
come on mate, that's massively over-stating the problem.
The top Wallaby 23, in terms of talent, would have been good enough to challenge properly for this tournament, given a smart coach to get the best out of them. That is not something a tier 2 nation could say.
The coaches and selectors actually hampered the players as far as i can tell. Add in one of your premier backs having a complete fucking meltdown on social media, and you end up where you did.
The problem your incoming coach is going to have is, a lot of the top-end talent is not going to be there next year.
I agree with this. This was not a crap Wallaby team - it has underperformed over a long stretch thanks to many factors outside of the player ability alone - which set the expectations for this tournament, which in the end, were largely met. I think if you wound the clock back 3yrs with this group and had a solid coaching structure in place, you'd expect a SF appearance as your baseline.
The issue is really that this team has talent in spite of all the issues in RA. I got a pretty good insight to the Tahs over the last few years, and the way they were coached and managed was a debacle. Really selfish behaviours, poor structures, no forward-thinking, and a lack of accountability, all adding up to give the players zero chance to succeed.
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@voodoo said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Really selfish behaviours, poor structures, no forward-thinking, and a lack of accountability, all adding up to give the players zero chance to succeed.
So, basically the same as the last two decades?
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@voodoo said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Really selfish behaviours, poor structures, no forward-thinking, and a lack of accountability, all adding up to give the players zero chance to succeed.
So, basically the same as the last two decades?
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Let's remember for a minute that the Brumbies - our most successful professional team - have often been successful in spite of the coach, administration, or national leadership.
They're are deep cultural issues in Aussie Rugby based on the political farce/pissing contest that many of the fish heads decide is best for the game.
Can it be fixed? Sure.
Burn down the schools competition and start again with a Junior clubs structure that works.
Restructure Premier Club Rugby to sit under NRC properly.
Find a way for Suburban Rugby to contribute to the pyramid and receive the benefits.
Once you've overcome those particular impossibilities, we will be heading in the right direction. -
Let's remember for a minute that the Brumbies - our most successful professional team - have often been successful in spite of the coach, administration, or national leadership.
They're are deep cultural issues in Aussie Rugby based on the political farce/pissing contest that many of the fish heads decide is best for the game.
Can it be fixed? Sure.
Burn down the schools competition and start again with a Junior clubs structure that works.
Restructure Premier Club Rugby to sit under NRC properly.
Find a way for Suburban Rugby to contribute to the pyramid and receive the benefits.
Once you've overcome those particular impossibilities, we will be heading in the right direction. -
Let's remember for a minute that the Brumbies - our most successful professional team - have often been successful in spite of the coach, administration, or national leadership.
They're are deep cultural issues in Aussie Rugby based on the political farce/pissing contest that many of the fish heads decide is best for the game.
Can it be fixed? Sure.
Burn down the schools competition and start again with a Junior clubs structure that works.
Restructure Premier Club Rugby to sit under NRC properly.
Find a way for Suburban Rugby to contribute to the pyramid and receive the benefits.
Once you've overcome those particular impossibilities, we will be heading in the right direction.@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Let's remember for a minute that the Brumbies - our most successful professional team - have often been successful in spite of the coach, administration, or national leadership.
They're are deep cultural issues in Aussie Rugby based on the political farce/pissing contest that many of the fish heads decide is best for the game.
Can it be fixed? Sure.
Burn down the schools competition and start again with a Junior clubs structure that works.
Restructure Premier Club Rugby to sit under NRC properly.
Find a way for Suburban Rugby to contribute to the pyramid and receive the benefits.
Once you've overcome those particular impossibilities, we will be heading in the right direction.School boy rugby works in New Zealand. The problem in Australia is the multitude of competitions all ring fenced by self serving old boys.
Premier Club Rugby should've been enhanced to provide the NRC. But that's not going to be the pathway in the future; it's about schools -> academies -> SR -> Test.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Restructure Premier Club Rugby to sit under NRC properly.
Has the NRC helped at all?
@Duluth said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Restructure Premier Club Rugby to sit under NRC properly.
Has the NRC helped at all?
Certainly in terms of answering questions about a few players and giving exposure to others in order to get contracts at Super teams. That is a positive.
But its a 2 month comp jammed in at the end of the Sydney/Brisbane Premier Club seasons. A couple of years back, the Western Sydney team (before they got booted) was mostly made up of the 2 clubs who contested the Sydney Grand Final, so those guys weren't available week 1.
Sydney Premier Rugby is enjoying an upswell on the back of the Tahs being shit - its an either/or for those people brought up in club land. For those of us who aren't Sydneysiders and therefore don't give a fuck about those teams, its confusing and weird.
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
School boy rugby works in New Zealand. The problem in Australia is the multitude of competitions all ring fenced by self serving old boys.
Not to mention the club v school conflict.
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@rotated said in Aussie Rugby in general:
If the conclusion is that it wasn't a disaster then you may as well pack up and call it a day.
The broader discussion is about whether Australian Rugby still can be considered - even by itself - a Tier 1 Nation given the last 2 decades of decline.
So, yes.
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@rotated said in Aussie Rugby in general:
If the conclusion is that it wasn't a disaster then you may as well pack up and call it a day.
The broader discussion is about whether Australian Rugby still can be considered - even by itself - a Tier 1 Nation given the last 2 decades of decline.
So, yes.
Really, Tier 2? That'll be the only Tier 2 country to defeat the ABs this year (EVER) and by a bloody good margin, red card notwithsatnding. Wallabies can do it but not with a coach whos ideas are set in stone and based on some mythical pure Ozzie way, refuses to work collegiately, and at the same time as being a coach who doesn't analyse opposition and has the biggest tinfoil hat attitude this side of Trump.
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Who is leaving - Foley, Lealiifano, Cooper, Kepu, Kerevi, Genia, Latu, Arnold, Coleman, Pocock??
A new coach is going to need to make some investment in young players and sacrifice short term results
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@rotated said in Aussie Rugby in general:
If the conclusion is that it wasn't a disaster then you may as well pack up and call it a day.
The broader discussion is about whether Australian Rugby still can be considered - even by itself - a Tier 1 Nation given the last 2 decades of decline.
So, yes.
Really, Tier 2? That'll be the only Tier 2 country to defeat the ABs this year (EVER) and by a bloody good margin, red card notwithsatnding. Wallabies can do it but not with a coach whos ideas are set in stone and based on some mythical pure Ozzie way, refuses to work collegiately, and at the same time as being a coach who doesn't analyse opposition and has the biggest tinfoil hat attitude this side of Trump.
@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby in general:
red card notwithsatnding.
Uh, but its WITHstanding. Look at subsequent efforts.
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Who is leaving - Foley, Lealiifano, Cooper, Kepu, Kerevi, Genia, Latu, Arnold, Coleman, Pocock??
A new coach is going to need to make some investment in young players and sacrifice short term results
@dK said in Aussie Rugby in general:
A new coach is going to need to make some investment in young players and sacrifice short term results
Last 2 decades.
In all seriousness: can anyone here honestly say we'll have 30 players - 2 in each position - ready to go for Test Season 2020, with any thought of comfortable victory? Or a credible performance?
Our system is built on schoolboy bullies getting through in shit competitions and occasionally making the next step. We'll still only ever have about 17 good Test players with a few extras hoping to run the clock down in the last 20 minutes with this setup.
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It's mixed though, isn't it Nick?
I reckon we've got six test standard props, for example - AAA, Sio, Slipper, Tupou, Robertson and HJH.
But hooker and fly-half are looking pretty bare.
I don't think our talent stocks are the issue at the moment. They are better than they have been in quite a while IMO, even if we're losing some of our more experienced players.
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It's mixed though, isn't it Nick?
I reckon we've got six test standard props, for example - AAA, Sio, Slipper, Tupou, Robertson and HJH.
But hooker and fly-half are looking pretty bare.
I don't think our talent stocks are the issue at the moment. They are better than they have been in quite a while IMO, even if we're losing some of our more experienced players.
@barbarian losing more experienced players is as much a boon as a burden; sometimes they stay too long.
No doubt there are some exciting talents coming through. But our professional setups aren't getting the most out of them.
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Just shows how cheika was a coach for the pre Pro era*. This sort of shit is part of your job as an international player. 4 players is a good compromise, send your four that won't be playing, job done. Then gets uppity when his boss does something boss like, and argues it in public.
- Admittedly amateur days they would have all been their on the free piss!
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@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Think he's the COO of an insurance company or something.
http://www.interrisk.com.au/irm/content/our-team.aspx?RID=371
PHIL KEARNS MANAGING DIRECTOR
Phil has more than ten years of experience leading financial service organisations, headlined by his previous position as Chief Executive Officer at Centric Wealth, as well as senior positions across divisions at Investec, the South African-based investment bank.
Whilst at Centric Wealth, Phil has been instrumental in building the corporate and private bank client base and introducing investors to innovative opportunities, including property and other alternative investments. Phil has helped transform InterRISK into a multimillion dollar business.So there you go.
That tendency for the "blokey" side to emerge during the commentary thing is obviously appealing for the ratings thing.
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Think he's the COO of an insurance company or something.
http://www.interrisk.com.au/irm/content/our-team.aspx?RID=371
PHIL KEARNS MANAGING DIRECTOR
Phil has more than ten years of experience leading financial service organisations, headlined by his previous position as Chief Executive Officer at Centric Wealth, as well as senior positions across divisions at Investec, the South African-based investment bank.
Whilst at Centric Wealth, Phil has been instrumental in building the corporate and private bank client base and introducing investors to innovative opportunities, including property and other alternative investments. Phil has helped transform InterRISK into a multimillion dollar business.So there you go.
That tendency for the "blokey" side to emerge during the commentary thing is obviously appealing for the ratings thing.
Sounds to me like ex-rugby player with a "jobs for the boys role" wheeled out to wine and dine potential investors.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Think he's the COO of an insurance company or something.
http://www.interrisk.com.au/irm/content/our-team.aspx?RID=371
PHIL KEARNS MANAGING DIRECTOR
Phil has more than ten years of experience leading financial service organisations, headlined by his previous position as Chief Executive Officer at Centric Wealth, as well as senior positions across divisions at Investec, the South African-based investment bank.
Whilst at Centric Wealth, Phil has been instrumental in building the corporate and private bank client base and introducing investors to innovative opportunities, including property and other alternative investments. Phil has helped transform InterRISK into a multimillion dollar business.So there you go.
That tendency for the "blokey" side to emerge during the commentary thing is obviously appealing for the ratings thing.
Sounds to me like ex-rugby player with a "jobs for the boys role" wheeled out to wine and dine potential investors.
@junior said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Think he's the COO of an insurance company or something.
http://www.interrisk.com.au/irm/content/our-team.aspx?RID=371
PHIL KEARNS MANAGING DIRECTOR
Phil has more than ten years of experience leading financial service organisations, headlined by his previous position as Chief Executive Officer at Centric Wealth, as well as senior positions across divisions at Investec, the South African-based investment bank.
Whilst at Centric Wealth, Phil has been instrumental in building the corporate and private bank client base and introducing investors to innovative opportunities, including property and other alternative investments. Phil has helped transform InterRISK into a multimillion dollar business.So there you go.
That tendency for the "blokey" side to emerge during the commentary thing is obviously appealing for the ratings thing.
Sounds to me like ex-rugby player with a "jobs for the boys role" wheeled out to wine and dine potential investors.
Meh. Show me an executive who isn't
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@junior said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Think he's the COO of an insurance company or something.
http://www.interrisk.com.au/irm/content/our-team.aspx?RID=371
PHIL KEARNS MANAGING DIRECTOR
Phil has more than ten years of experience leading financial service organisations, headlined by his previous position as Chief Executive Officer at Centric Wealth, as well as senior positions across divisions at Investec, the South African-based investment bank.
Whilst at Centric Wealth, Phil has been instrumental in building the corporate and private bank client base and introducing investors to innovative opportunities, including property and other alternative investments. Phil has helped transform InterRISK into a multimillion dollar business.So there you go.
That tendency for the "blokey" side to emerge during the commentary thing is obviously appealing for the ratings thing.
Sounds to me like ex-rugby player with a "jobs for the boys role" wheeled out to wine and dine potential investors.
Meh. Show me an executive who isn't
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@junior said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Think he's the COO of an insurance company or something.
http://www.interrisk.com.au/irm/content/our-team.aspx?RID=371
PHIL KEARNS MANAGING DIRECTOR
Phil has more than ten years of experience leading financial service organisations, headlined by his previous position as Chief Executive Officer at Centric Wealth, as well as senior positions across divisions at Investec, the South African-based investment bank.
Whilst at Centric Wealth, Phil has been instrumental in building the corporate and private bank client base and introducing investors to innovative opportunities, including property and other alternative investments. Phil has helped transform InterRISK into a multimillion dollar business.So there you go.
That tendency for the "blokey" side to emerge during the commentary thing is obviously appealing for the ratings thing.
Sounds to me like ex-rugby player with a "jobs for the boys role" wheeled out to wine and dine potential investors.
Meh. Show me an executive who isn't
I agree, wholeheartedly. I'm never surprised when an ex-sportsperson holds a high-paying corporate executive role - it's one of the benefits of having been a high-level sportsperson (along with all that poontang, obviously).
