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RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)

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  • bayimportsB Do not disturb
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    bayimports
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    Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

    S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

    Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

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    • bayimportsB bayimports

      Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

      S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

      Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

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      @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

      Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

      S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

      Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

      Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

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      • bayimportsB bayimports

        Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

        S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

        Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

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        @bayimports
        Ardie does not hit nearly as hard in defence as Cane.

        Might also slightly change the way we play because of Ardie not being able to be used on the blind.

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        • NepiaN Nepia

          @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

          Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

          S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

          Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

          Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

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          @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

          @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

          Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

          S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

          Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

          Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

          Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

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            If that is the thinking I would have put Ardie on the bench (again) and started Cane.

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              hasnt it always been if they are carrying a niggle, they start so you can control thier gametime better.

              My guess is, they have determined SB suits whatever plan they intend playing v England.

              SB probably carries a bit better than Cane does, so expect he's there for that? SB is a good defender, but doesnt make as many tackles and obviously doesnt hit as hard.

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              • bayimportsB Do not disturb
                bayimportsB Do not disturb
                bayimports
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                #221

                No idea of the reasons guys, just passing on the oil. Prediction has been spot on so far though, I personally would have Cane playing if fit

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                • M Machpants

                  @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                  @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                  Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

                  S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

                  Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

                  Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

                  Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

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                  @Machpants said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                  @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                  @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                  Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

                  S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

                  Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

                  Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

                  Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

                  Definitely for now, but if we lose I'm going to meltdown like a Cantabrian complaining about Mauger being left out in 07. :face_with_tears_of_joy:

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                  • bayimportsB bayimports

                    No idea of the reasons guys, just passing on the oil. Prediction has been spot on so far though, I personally would have Cane playing if fit

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                    @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                    No idea of the reasons guys**, just passing on the oil.** Prediction has been spot on so far though, I personally would have Cane playing if fit

                    Too late, in 5 years time we'll be discussing this as the @bayimports dropped Cane.

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                    • NepiaN Nepia

                      @Machpants said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

                      S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

                      Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

                      Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

                      Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

                      Definitely for now, but if we lose I'm going to meltdown like a Cantabrian complaining about Mauger being left out in 07. :face_with_tears_of_joy:

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                      @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @Machpants said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                      Ok so don’t have full team this week... however, from inside the camp....

                      S Barrett replaces Cane at 6, Tuipolotu on the bench for Todd. Savea at 7. Cane on bench.

                      Perhaps wrist not great, or just want a bigger/taller team

                      Can't say that makes any sense to me, our game has been all about the trio all year and now we go for a slower option to add height? I hope Cane is slightly injured and it's enforced because he leads our defence in the opening trench warfare.

                      Yeah this, we win sith speed and a ferocious and fast loose trio. Ah well in Shag we trust, if true!

                      Definitely for now, but if we lose I'm going to meltdown like a Cantabrian complaining about Mauger being left out in 07. :face_with_tears_of_joy:

                      It's your right as an All Black supporter

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                      • NepiaN Nepia

                        @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        No idea of the reasons guys**, just passing on the oil.** Prediction has been spot on so far though, I personally would have Cane playing if fit

                        Too late, in 5 years time we'll be discussing this as the @bayimports dropped Cane.

                        bayimportsB Do not disturb
                        bayimportsB Do not disturb
                        bayimports
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                        #225

                        @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                        No idea of the reasons guys**, just passing on the oil.** Prediction has been spot on so far though, I personally would have Cane playing if fit

                        Too late, in 5 years time we'll be discussing this as the @bayimports dropped Cane.

                        Bloody Hawkes fans 😀

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                          I'm apoplectic

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                          • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                            hasnt it always been if they are carrying a niggle, they start so you can control thier gametime better.

                            My guess is, they have determined SB suits whatever plan they intend playing v England.

                            SB probably carries a bit better than Cane does, so expect he's there for that? SB is a good defender, but doesnt make as many tackles and obviously doesnt hit as hard.

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                            @taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                            hasnt it always been if they are carrying a niggle, they start so you can control thier gametime better.

                            My guess is, they have determined SB suits whatever plan they intend playing v England.

                            It does change the dynamic of the substitutions though because for Paddy T to come on then one of BBBR or Whitelock must be subbed, or both if SB moves to lock (VERY unlikely). It is possible that Ardie could end up at no.8 if Read's calf isn't 100% and SB remains at 6.

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                              I'm hoping Shag has discovered that Eddie also reads the Fern, and has leaked this misinformation to throw him off.

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                              • bayimportsB bayimports

                                No idea of the reasons guys, just passing on the oil. Prediction has been spot on so far though, I personally would have Cane playing if fit

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                                @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                No idea of the reasons guys, just passing on the oil. Prediction has been spot on so far though, I personally would have Cane playing if fit

                                So would I. I'd clone him if I could so he could take more positions - every team would give up running the ball and would kick to our famed counter attack.

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                                  Not going to have many opportunities to fetch early in the game as big Pommy forwards flop onto every ruck. Savea at 7 provides a bit more ball carrying and still a bit of a threat on the ball.

                                  Plus goggles.

                                  Cane to come on late and fuck up the ruck

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                                  • NepiaN Nepia

                                    @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                    No idea of the reasons guys**, just passing on the oil.** Prediction has been spot on so far though, I personally would have Cane playing if fit

                                    Too late, in 5 years time we'll be discussing this as the @bayimports dropped Cane.

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                                    @Nepia said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                    @bayimports said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                    No idea of the reasons guys**, just passing on the oil.** Prediction has been spot on so far though, I personally would have Cane playing if fit

                                    Too late, in 5 years time we'll be discussing this as the @bayimports dropped Cane.

                                    He's not dropped... his role has been changed! 🙂

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                                      Maybe they want the extra lineout option?

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                                        @canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                        @Kirwan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                        @canefan not really, he was watching it on the big screen and thought he saw Reese touch the ball. The TMO had a screen a few inches away and corrected him, they worked together to make the right call.

                                        I remember hearing the exchange, nigel asked if the black player touched the ball during the tackle, the TMO said more than once that he had only to finally correct himself. I dont think he ever thought Reece had touched it but his language was poor. Right decision in the end

                                        Re the BB try I'm pretty certain the law was you're not offside if the ball rebounded off a player that was not playing at the ball.

                                        Reece was attempting a tackle and it initially appeared that the ball may have bounced forward off his head. (Obviously it didn't it as he hit Sex Toy's elbow and the ball went backward off green.)

                                        My query, which is now a moot point but I'm still interested, is if it had hit Reece's head would Mo'unga be offside as Reece did not play at the ball.

                                        My understanding is he would not have been offside. But my understanding may be either out if date, mistaken or both.

                                        Maybe I should ask @Damo.

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                                        @booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                        @canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                        @Kirwan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

                                        @canefan not really, he was watching it on the big screen and thought he saw Reese touch the ball. The TMO had a screen a few inches away and corrected him, they worked together to make the right call.

                                        I remember hearing the exchange, nigel asked if the black player touched the ball during the tackle, the TMO said more than once that he had only to finally correct himself. I dont think he ever thought Reece had touched it but his language was poor. Right decision in the end

                                        Re the BB try I'm pretty certain the law was you're not offside if the ball rebounded off a player that was not playing at the ball.

                                        Reece was attempting a tackle and it initially appeared that the ball may have bounced forward off his head. (Obviously it didn't it as he hit Sex Toy's elbow and the ball went backward off green.)

                                        My query, which is now a moot point but I'm still interested, is if it had hit Reece's head would Mo'unga be offside as Reece did not play at the ball.

                                        My understanding is he would not have been offside. But my understanding may be either out if date, mistaken or both.

                                        Maybe I should ask @Damo.

                                        The real story in that try is some outstanding reading on defence by Sevu. The irish had us on toast with an overlap when Sevu raced in and hot it perfect. 14 point play as it turned out

                                        But I digress...

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                                          Our best flanker since McGoat,* on the bench. Stinks of dry powder and a cunning plan against the poms.

                                          • all due respect Ardie
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