RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)
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Much discussion on the starting forward pack ,
How does everyone expect the bench ( forwards) to be used ,Are we going to close the game with the two 7s ? how does pat t get used ? He does provide good impact , I’m sure they would like to utilise that in some capacity
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Much discussion on the starting forward pack ,
How does everyone expect the bench ( forwards) to be used ,Are we going to close the game with the two 7s ? how does pat t get used ? He does provide good impact , I’m sure they would like to utilise that in some capacity
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Much discussion on the starting forward pack ,
How does everyone expect the bench ( forwards) to be used ,Are we going to close the game with the two 7s ? how does pat t get used ? He does provide good impact , I’m sure they would like to utilise that in some capacity
It's nearly impossible to guess - might be horses for courses depending on how the game is going. If we want to speed things up Cane comes on for SB, if we want to keep smashing them and attacking their set piece then Pat T may come on.
Hard to see us subbing Whitelock or BBBR in a semi final.
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Much discussion on the starting forward pack ,
How does everyone expect the bench ( forwards) to be used ,Are we going to close the game with the two 7s ? how does pat t get used ? He does provide good impact , I’m sure they would like to utilise that in some capacity
@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Much discussion on the starting forward pack ,
How does everyone expect the bench ( forwards) to be used ,Are we going to close the game with the two 7s ? how does pat t get used ? He does provide good impact , I’m sure they would like to utilise that in some capacity
We will have a very significant height advantage at the lineout - where we have four genuine lineout jumpers - where England only has two - and Itoje is a pretty short lock. If we can make this count, we could push Eddie into having to sub one of his fast flankers early and push Itoje to blindside. IF we're able to turn our height advantage at the lineout into steals and everything else is going well, then I think the introduction of Cane (for Barrett) will be delayed - maybe to around 60 minutes - otherwise they may make that change at halftime. I'll be surprised if Patty T. gets more than 15 minutes - in the event of an early injury to one of our starting locks, I think they'd shift Barrett to lock initially and bring on Cane.
In the scrum, I think my big worry would be an early injury to Joe Moody - our bench props' scrumming worries me, but if Nepo were to go down early, I'd be inclined to send Ofa out to play tighthead, which would be solid. I'd be really worried if Ta'avao was asked to play 60+ minutes.
Aside from that, we need to knock their big ball carriers down quickly, be very disciplined and deny Farrell opportunities to push the scoreboard along, and be a bit wary of interception opportunities with big, wide skip passes.
Whomever gets ahead with any sort of buffer is likely to be very hard to peg back - so lets hope it's us.
I've really got no idea how this game will play out - especially if we don't dominate their lineout. But, if we do - I think that should be a big step towards us winning.
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Much discussion on the starting forward pack ,
How does everyone expect the bench ( forwards) to be used ,Are we going to close the game with the two 7s ? how does pat t get used ? He does provide good impact , I’m sure they would like to utilise that in some capacity
It's nearly impossible to guess - might be horses for courses depending on how the game is going. If we want to speed things up Cane comes on for SB, if we want to keep smashing them and attacking their set piece then Pat T may come on.
Hard to see us subbing Whitelock or BBBR in a semi final.
@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Hard to see us subbing Whitelock or BBBR in a semi final.
I think that will very much depend on the score - as will most of the subs but they must have some sort of plan.
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This was always the crunch game for me between the two best sides in the world (yes, England are better than SA, no matter what you SH folk believe). Who ever wins will most certainly win the cup I feel.
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
Really looking forward to this clash, since before the competition started in fact. These teams were always on a collision course.
My dilemma is who to support! I love the NZ team and Hansen, great coach and funny guy with his dry wit. NZ fans on the other hand? I'll keep that to myself on here! It's the complete opposite for England. Don't like their team or manager but their fans are grand and they are our neighbours.
I'll decide on the day!!
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96-19 to the Good Guys
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This was always the crunch game for me between the two best sides in the world (yes, England are better than SA, no matter what you SH folk believe). Who ever wins will most certainly win the cup I feel.
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
Really looking forward to this clash, since before the competition started in fact. These teams were always on a collision course.
My dilemma is who to support! I love the NZ team and Hansen, great coach and funny guy with his dry wit. NZ fans on the other hand? I'll keep that to myself on here! It's the complete opposite for England. Don't like their team or manager but their fans are grand and they are our neighbours.
I'll decide on the day!!
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
This was always the crunch game for me between the two best sides in the world (yes, England are better than SA, no matter what you SH folk believe). Who ever wins will most certainly win the cup I feel.
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
Really looking forward to this clash, since before the competition started in fact. These teams were always on a collision course.
My dilemma is who to support! I love the NZ team and Hansen, great coach and funny guy with his dry wit. NZ fans on the other hand? I'll keep that to myself on here! It's the complete opposite for England. Don't like their team or manager but their fans are grand and they are our neighbours.
I'll decide on the day!!
Kiwis are confident in winning comfortably? Where do you get this dross from?
Against Ireland, definitely but this is a rugby team for sure we are up against
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96-19 to the Good Guys
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
96-19 to the Good Guys
Are we playing Belarus this week?
Bury them with irony, a NZ drop goal to win it
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This was always the crunch game for me between the two best sides in the world (yes, England are better than SA, no matter what you SH folk believe). Who ever wins will most certainly win the cup I feel.
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
Really looking forward to this clash, since before the competition started in fact. These teams were always on a collision course.
My dilemma is who to support! I love the NZ team and Hansen, great coach and funny guy with his dry wit. NZ fans on the other hand? I'll keep that to myself on here! It's the complete opposite for England. Don't like their team or manager but their fans are grand and they are our neighbours.
I'll decide on the day!!
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
If the Fern is a gauge of AB fans expectations, then I think you’ve missed the mark. I think most were confident against Ireland (I certainly was), but against England there is an unpredictability combined with a solid foundation that will test any side.
Look I can’t even bring myself to say “Bring on En...” Nup, can’t do it.
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@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
If the Fern is a gauge of AB fans expectations, then I think you’ve missed the mark. I think most were confident against Ireland (I certainly was), but against England there is an unpredictability combined with a solid foundation that will test any side.
Look I can’t even bring myself to say “Bring on En...” Nup, can’t do it.
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
If the Fern is a gauge of AB fans expectations, then I think you’ve missed the mark. I think most were confident against Ireland (I certainly was), but against England there is an unpredictability combined with a solid foundation that will test any side.
Look I can’t even bring myself to say “Bring on En...” Nup, can’t do it.
We'll beat them by 13+
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@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
This was always the crunch game for me between the two best sides in the world (yes, England are better than SA, no matter what you SH folk believe). Who ever wins will most certainly win the cup I feel.
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
Really looking forward to this clash, since before the competition started in fact. These teams were always on a collision course.
My dilemma is who to support! I love the NZ team and Hansen, great coach and funny guy with his dry wit. NZ fans on the other hand? I'll keep that to myself on here! It's the complete opposite for England. Don't like their team or manager but their fans are grand and they are our neighbours.
I'll decide on the day!!
Kiwis are confident in winning comfortably? Where do you get this dross from?
Against Ireland, definitely but this is a rugby team for sure we are up against
@Hooroo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
This was always the crunch game for me between the two best sides in the world (yes, England are better than SA, no matter what you SH folk believe). Who ever wins will most certainly win the cup I feel.
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
Really looking forward to this clash, since before the competition started in fact. These teams were always on a collision course.
My dilemma is who to support! I love the NZ team and Hansen, great coach and funny guy with his dry wit. NZ fans on the other hand? I'll keep that to myself on here! It's the complete opposite for England. Don't like their team or manager but their fans are grand and they are our neighbours.
I'll decide on the day!!
Kiwis are confident in winning comfortably? Where do you get this dross from?
Against Ireland, definitely but this is a rugby team for sure we are up against
From every forum, here, back home, youtube, facebook, Twitter, need more? That's where I'm getting this "dross" from.
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I think most on here seem to be calling it for NZ by more than 10. I think it will be less than 7. I think that Eddie has some trick up his sleeve, the win over Oz was fascinating when you look at the stats. Reckon we'll still do it but it might be a nail biter.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
If the Fern is a gauge of AB fans expectations, then I think you’ve missed the mark. I think most were confident against Ireland (I certainly was), but against England there is an unpredictability combined with a solid foundation that will test any side.
Look I can’t even bring myself to say “Bring on En...” Nup, can’t do it.
We'll beat them by 13+
@Frye said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
If the Fern is a gauge of AB fans expectations, then I think you’ve missed the mark. I think most were confident against Ireland (I certainly was), but against England there is an unpredictability combined with a solid foundation that will test any side.
Look I can’t even bring myself to say “Bring on En...” Nup, can’t do it.
We'll beat them by 13+
It’s certainly possible. But if it gets to a grinding stop start sort of game then I can see a similar type game to the Boks match in the RC.
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@Hooroo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
This was always the crunch game for me between the two best sides in the world (yes, England are better than SA, no matter what you SH folk believe). Who ever wins will most certainly win the cup I feel.
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
Really looking forward to this clash, since before the competition started in fact. These teams were always on a collision course.
My dilemma is who to support! I love the NZ team and Hansen, great coach and funny guy with his dry wit. NZ fans on the other hand? I'll keep that to myself on here! It's the complete opposite for England. Don't like their team or manager but their fans are grand and they are our neighbours.
I'll decide on the day!!
Kiwis are confident in winning comfortably? Where do you get this dross from?
Against Ireland, definitely but this is a rugby team for sure we are up against
From every forum, here, back home, youtube, facebook, Twitter, need more? That's where I'm getting this "dross" from.
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Hooroo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
This was always the crunch game for me between the two best sides in the world (yes, England are better than SA, no matter what you SH folk believe). Who ever wins will most certainly win the cup I feel.
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
Really looking forward to this clash, since before the competition started in fact. These teams were always on a collision course.
My dilemma is who to support! I love the NZ team and Hansen, great coach and funny guy with his dry wit. NZ fans on the other hand? I'll keep that to myself on here! It's the complete opposite for England. Don't like their team or manager but their fans are grand and they are our neighbours.
I'll decide on the day!!
Kiwis are confident in winning comfortably? Where do you get this dross from?
Against Ireland, definitely but this is a rugby team for sure we are up against
From every forum, here, back home, youtube, facebook, Twitter, need more? That's where I'm getting this "dross" from.
Well to let you in on a secret, try talking to Kiwis about this game. Most are apprehensive of the English team and realise they are a bit of alright. I understand we are favourites but this will be one of the closest matches of the cup.
Apart from sarcasm on this thread which you may misunderstand, this forum has mostly respect for this English teams and I don't see anyone saying we will win comfortably
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@Hooroo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
This was always the crunch game for me between the two best sides in the world (yes, England are better than SA, no matter what you SH folk believe). Who ever wins will most certainly win the cup I feel.
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
Really looking forward to this clash, since before the competition started in fact. These teams were always on a collision course.
My dilemma is who to support! I love the NZ team and Hansen, great coach and funny guy with his dry wit. NZ fans on the other hand? I'll keep that to myself on here! It's the complete opposite for England. Don't like their team or manager but their fans are grand and they are our neighbours.
I'll decide on the day!!
Kiwis are confident in winning comfortably? Where do you get this dross from?
Against Ireland, definitely but this is a rugby team for sure we are up against
From every forum, here, back home, youtube, facebook, Twitter, need more? That's where I'm getting this "dross" from.
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Hooroo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
This was always the crunch game for me between the two best sides in the world (yes, England are better than SA, no matter what you SH folk believe). Who ever wins will most certainly win the cup I feel.
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
Really looking forward to this clash, since before the competition started in fact. These teams were always on a collision course.
My dilemma is who to support! I love the NZ team and Hansen, great coach and funny guy with his dry wit. NZ fans on the other hand? I'll keep that to myself on here! It's the complete opposite for England. Don't like their team or manager but their fans are grand and they are our neighbours.
I'll decide on the day!!
Kiwis are confident in winning comfortably? Where do you get this dross from?
Against Ireland, definitely but this is a rugby team for sure we are up against
From every forum, here, back home, youtube, facebook, Twitter, need more? That's where I'm getting this "dross" from.
You've been reading fake news.
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@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Hooroo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
This was always the crunch game for me between the two best sides in the world (yes, England are better than SA, no matter what you SH folk believe). Who ever wins will most certainly win the cup I feel.
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
Really looking forward to this clash, since before the competition started in fact. These teams were always on a collision course.
My dilemma is who to support! I love the NZ team and Hansen, great coach and funny guy with his dry wit. NZ fans on the other hand? I'll keep that to myself on here! It's the complete opposite for England. Don't like their team or manager but their fans are grand and they are our neighbours.
I'll decide on the day!!
Kiwis are confident in winning comfortably? Where do you get this dross from?
Against Ireland, definitely but this is a rugby team for sure we are up against
From every forum, here, back home, youtube, facebook, Twitter, need more? That's where I'm getting this "dross" from.
Well to let you in on a secret, try talking to Kiwis about this game. Most are apprehensive of the English team and realise they are a bit of alright. I understand we are favourites but this will be one of the closest matches of the cup.
Apart from sarcasm on this thread which you may misunderstand, this forum has mostly respect for this English teams and I don't see anyone saying we will win comfortably
@Hooroo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Hooroo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@The-Irishman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
This was always the crunch game for me between the two best sides in the world (yes, England are better than SA, no matter what you SH folk believe). Who ever wins will most certainly win the cup I feel.
The kiwis are confident and expecting their team to win comfortably, in most cases anyway. Who would blame them? But I feel England will be a very very tough proposition. This will be a tight game. If I was a betting man, I'd give this one a skip.
Really looking forward to this clash, since before the competition started in fact. These teams were always on a collision course.
My dilemma is who to support! I love the NZ team and Hansen, great coach and funny guy with his dry wit. NZ fans on the other hand? I'll keep that to myself on here! It's the complete opposite for England. Don't like their team or manager but their fans are grand and they are our neighbours.
I'll decide on the day!!
Kiwis are confident in winning comfortably? Where do you get this dross from?
Against Ireland, definitely but this is a rugby team for sure we are up against
From every forum, here, back home, youtube, facebook, Twitter, need more? That's where I'm getting this "dross" from.
Apart from sarcasm on this thread which you may misunderstand, this forum has mostly respect for this English teams and I don't see anyone saying we will win comfortably
Are you fucking kidding me? We practically invented sarcasm
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Much discussion on the starting forward pack ,
How does everyone expect the bench ( forwards) to be used ,Are we going to close the game with the two 7s ? how does pat t get used ? He does provide good impact , I’m sure they would like to utilise that in some capacity
We will have a very significant height advantage at the lineout - where we have four genuine lineout jumpers - where England only has two - and Itoje is a pretty short lock. If we can make this count, we could push Eddie into having to sub one of his fast flankers early and push Itoje to blindside. IF we're able to turn our height advantage at the lineout into steals and everything else is going well, then I think the introduction of Cane (for Barrett) will be delayed - maybe to around 60 minutes - otherwise they may make that change at halftime. I'll be surprised if Patty T. gets more than 15 minutes - in the event of an early injury to one of our starting locks, I think they'd shift Barrett to lock initially and bring on Cane.
In the scrum, I think my big worry would be an early injury to Joe Moody - our bench props' scrumming worries me, but if Nepo were to go down early, I'd be inclined to send Ofa out to play tighthead, which would be solid. I'd be really worried if Ta'avao was asked to play 60+ minutes.
Aside from that, we need to knock their big ball carriers down quickly, be very disciplined and deny Farrell opportunities to push the scoreboard along, and be a bit wary of interception opportunities with big, wide skip passes.
Whomever gets ahead with any sort of buffer is likely to be very hard to peg back - so lets hope it's us.
I've really got no idea how this game will play out - especially if we don't dominate their lineout. But, if we do - I think that should be a big step towards us winning.
@Chris-B agree our bench props are a worry, neither the greatest at scrum time, this is where the dropping of Frank's might hurt.
Angus probably the best around the park of all, but picking he won't even be an AB in 2 years time....
Although in saying that I saw my last posts from 2016, and I was picking Frank's to beat GOATS 148 tests. Maybe if that Achilles had not got him! -
@Chris-B agree our bench props are a worry, neither the greatest at scrum time, this is where the dropping of Frank's might hurt.
Angus probably the best around the park of all, but picking he won't even be an AB in 2 years time....
Although in saying that I saw my last posts from 2016, and I was picking Frank's to beat GOATS 148 tests. Maybe if that Achilles had not got him!@BartMan Good to see you putting in an appearance, Bartman!
Yeah - I reckon they should've taken Big Karl and had him and Ofa on the bench for this one. I'm not convinced that a mobile ball-running prop (Angus) is going to offset the risk of a couple of scrum penalties to England.
I was thinking Owen was a good prospect of going to four World Cups, but I think Sam Whitelock is the only prospect of that now.
