Same old Russians, always cheating

red terror

"Rogue elements..."
 
Lord Coe almost sounds like a conspiracy theorist.

Winger

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"Rogue elements..."
 
Lord Coe almost sounds like a conspiracy theorist.
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John comes across as a complete pillock in thsi interview.

voodoo

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Having just finished the Tyler Hamilton book, my question is, if they are all doping, how did they only finish 4th at the last olympics? Who beat the dopers?
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Great read, though made me feel a little soft having never pushed myself hard enough to "taste the blood in my mouth" - well except where someone has whacked me of course. The amazing thing I found in that book was the way they starved themselves, despite the training and drugs. The focus on weight at the expense of what I assumed would provide energy was amazing.

SammyC

Pretty much confirms what the documentaries and media reports have previously alleged
 
Dick Pound alluded to this being "the tip of the iceberg".
This comment really interests me..... will we ever get to see the rest of that iceberg? 
 
It's pretty obvious what's happening (or not happening) in Kenya, Jamaica and probably the rest of the world, but will it ever be revealed? 
 
The danger now is that it will be spun into a political West vs East battle. It already looks to be heading this way - Apparently Russia has already responded by bringing Crimea and Ukraine into it.
 
The Western media (and one poster above has already done so ) appear to have found their villain. By default, they'll also find their hero, driven mainly by patriotic bias.
Ivan Drago against Rocky Balboa...... Evil vs good...... It's an easy story to write, good triumphs over evil despite all odds.
Well....................... doping doesn't lend itself to that fairytale. (and Rocky was obviously on drugs, look at him)
 
Pound also congratulated Hajo Seppelt, the German journalist who produced the documentary that catalyzed this report, on his "fine piece of investigative journalism"
 
This is the same journalist, whose work was described as a "declaration of war" by Lord Coe, who also said, "There is nothing in our history of competence and integrity in drug-testing that warrants this kind of attack. We should not be cowering. We should come out fighting".
 
So........ Coe attacked the reports, and dismissed the journalist's offer to provide access to his sources,and is now also claiming to be "shocked by the allegations"?
 
The way he is carrying on is ridiculous..... was he the last person in the world to see this coming? 
 
given that he's now in charge of the whole organisation, that doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that he can fix it.
 
He had a Daily Mail exclusive from two and half years ago, two German documentaries, and ....... His OWN FUCKING RESEARCH STUDY that hinted at the extent of doping, which was then revealed in the Sunday Times piece (this is the one where Coe dismissed world authorities on blood-doping as "so-called experts")
 
How the fuck can he be shocked? He even declared war on the allegations he's now having confirmed.

SammyC

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Russians probably were doping, but until Dick Pound and his political cohort removes cannabinoids from their banned substance list, it's difficult to take WADA and their mandate seriously.
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There's been a bit of discussion lately in the endurance sport community that they actually do enhance performance

gt12

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="voodoo" data-cid="540609" data-time="1447199598">Great read, though made me feel a little soft having never pushed myself hard enough to "taste the blood in my mouth" - well except where someone has whacked me of course. The amazing thing I found in that book was the way they starved themselves, despite the training and drugs. The focus on weight at the expense of what I assumed would provide energy was amazing.</blockquote>
 
I better get my hands on that book. Looks good. 
When I was running towards a marathon, the best advice I got was to focus on losing weight. Apparently losing 1 kg equals gaining a number of minutes over the distance. When I got down to 79 (from 96 originally) I could do sub 4 minute kilometers which were a dream a few months earlier (and are a dream again now). 
I'd imagine for riders, it's all about power to weight, with weight being a huge influence.

voodoo

Yeah, some of it is clearly common sense. But i thought once you got to 60kgs you were pretty sweet and when you're riding 200kms per day for 3 weeks, you could eat what you wanted - but apparently not. 
It's definitely a good ready. The processes they went through to be the best cyclists and the best drug takers, is pretty impressive

SammyC

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I better get my hands on that book. Looks good. 
When I was running towards a marathon, the best advice I got was to focus on losing weight. Apparently losing 1 kg equals gaining a number of minutes over the distance. When I got down to 79 (from 96 originally) I could do sub 4 minute kilometers which were a dream a few months earlier (and are a dream again now). 
I'd imagine for riders, it's all about power to weight, with weight being a huge influence.
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Losing weight is even more crucial when you start running and biking up hill. The best climbers in cycling generally weigh 10-15 Kgs lighter than the guys who win the flat stages.

nzzp

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Great read, though made me feel a little soft having never pushed myself hard enough to "taste the blood in my mouth" - .
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as an internet warrior, I push myself like that behind a keyboard all the time.

SammyC

Interestingly on the weight loss side of things, this is part of the Alberto Salazar scandle that involves Mo Farrah/Galen Rupp and quite a few others.
 
One of the things he was allegedly doing was getting thyroid medication for his athletes to help with weight loss.
 
Most wouldn't think that would be an issue for skinny fuckers like those 2, but when you get to the top level in sport, it's all about small gains.

MN5

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="nzzp" data-cid="540631" data-time="1447206661">as an internet warrior, I push myself like that behind a keyboard all the time. </blockquote>
 
I think many on here can relate to that

nostrildamus

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as an internet warrior, I push myself like that behind a keyboard all the time. 
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its the pulling motions that concern us.

red terror

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There's been a bit of discussion lately in the endurance sport community that they actually do enhance performance
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So do carbs and protein. Maybe they need to be put on the list too...?
 
Realistically, the only advantage MJ provides an athlete is recovery time & sleep. It's a very mild painkiller and sedative, and it stimulates appetite. And really, it's all relative -- just because MJ isn't as toxic or as addictive or as dangerous as many prescribed legal pharmaceuticals like Oxycontin over the past decade does not mean it enhances performance. It means it's not nearly as damaging to your health.

red terror

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It's pretty obvious what's happening (or not happening) in Kenya, Jamaica and probably the rest of the world, but will it ever be revealed?
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Careful now.
 
FWIW, I've heard similar the past month from some North Americans saying the same thing about Kiwi rugby players.
 
I don't like it, especially when they say it's "obvious."
 
In a skeptical world it's not a difficult deduction to make. They hulk up at the Haka, they hit harder, they run faster, less injuries and greater endurance, the "last quarter," they score more points and are far more successful.
 
Deduction: Gottaberoids.

MiketheSnow

SammyC

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Careful now. 
FWIW, I've heard similar the past month from some North Americans saying the same thing about Kiwi rugby players. 
I don't like it, especially when they say it's "obvious." 
In a skeptical world it's not a difficult deduction to make. They hulk up at the Haka, they hit harder, they run faster, less injuries and greater endurance, the "last quarter," they score more points and are far more successful. 
Deduction: Gottaberoids.</blockquote>
It's obvious because of the multiple athletes from each country that have copped bans for drugs. 
If you follow international athletics at all you'd know that it's the case. <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/oct/30/kenya-jamaica-world-anti-doping-agency">http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/oct/30/kenya-jamaica-world-anti-doping-agency</a> 
Show me a kiwi rugby player who's been busted?

SammyC

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So do carbs and protein. Maybe they need to be put on the list too...? 
Realistically, the only advantage MJ provides an athlete is recovery time & sleep. It's a very mild painkiller and sedative, and it stimulates appetite. And really, it's all relative -- just because MJ isn't as toxic or as addictive or as dangerous as many prescribed legal pharmaceuticals like Oxycontin over the past decade does not mean it enhances performance. It means it's not nearly as damaging to your health.</blockquote>
It also reduces anxiety, and can help focus controlled aggression. Much the same as beta blocker drugs that are also banned. 
It also opens up the lungs and makes them work better. There's been some interesting research lately involving putting people on treadmills. Under the influence of MJ they run both further and faster

Crazy Horse

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It also reduces anxiety, and can help focus controlled aggression. Much the same as beta blocker drugs that are also banned. 
It also opens up the lungs and makes them work better. There's been some interesting research lately involving putting people on treadmills. Under the influence of MJ they run both further and faster
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Some of my best ever long runs were 'under the influence'. It felt like I could run for ever.

red terror

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It's obvious because of the multiple athletes from each country that have copped bans for drugs. 
If you follow international athletics at all you'd know that it's the case. <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/oct/30/kenya-jamaica-world-anti-doping-agency">http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/oct/30/kenya-jamaica-world-anti-doping-agency</a> 
Show me a kiwi rugby player who's been busted?
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Not my point. PERCEPTION is the point. There's a skeptical audience and there is "obvious-ness." People have told me in the past month they believe ABs are on steroids. Their evidence...? They don't need any. Not when it's so transparently "obvious." And remember, these are people who grew up with Ben. Incredibly skeptical and suspicious people. "Obviously."
 
Many people throwing stones and looking for specks in their brothers eyes, but let me state for the record: There has NEVER been a Kiwi rugby player who even thought of taking a steroid for an advantage and there NEVER will be.

red terror

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Some of my best ever long runs were 'under the influence'. It felt like I could run for ever.
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Were you on a stop-watch?
 
I was a paid guinea-pig almost 30 years ago at university (Psych Dept), paid to puff weed and conduct mental and physical exercises. It might have distracted me from cramp pains but it sure didn't improve my motor skills, endurance, nor my speed and agility.
 
I may have been the outlier. Or, maybe I simply didn't smoke enough of it.

The Silver Fern

Same old Russians, always cheating