Dogs and bitches
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@MajorRage said in Dogs and bitches:
@Snowy read that before you amended that ... was wondering what sort of sick twisted conversation I had got involved with .
Ha. Didn't read well did it.
Before anyone asks - I could have had an 8 month old staff member, that pissed with excitement.
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@mariner4life my MIssus was the one keen as to get a dog*, I struck a deal and used it to my advantage for longer than I had expected to.
*more like a big lazy cat than a dog though
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@taniwharugby said in Dogs and bitches:
I struck a deal
You don't sound French...
Given that I actually get on so well the little critter, I got no leverage at all.
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I know I would love any dog we got to death and we would be best mates
But I also know who would have to do all the work
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@mariner4life said in Dogs and bitches:
I know I would love any dog we got to death and we would be best mates
But I also know who would have to do all the work
It's worth it.
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@Snowy said in Dogs and bitches:
@MajorRage said in Dogs and bitches:
@Snowy read that before you amended that ... was wondering what sort of sick twisted conversation I had got involved with .
Ha. Didn't read well did it.
Before anyone asks - I could have had an 8 month old staff member, that pissed with excitement.
That spoke well enough to greet. Or had been hired 8 months prior to stopping greeting you excitedly and wetting the...floor?
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Walking the dog three times was the highlight of my day today.
Even when the All Blacks play like turd and get knocked out of the World Cup, your dog is there for you wagging its tail.
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@sparky said in Dogs and bitches:
Walking the dog three times was the highlight of my day today.
Even when the All Blacks play like turd and get knocked out of the World Cup, your dog is there for you wagging its tail.
Yep, lock your wife and dog in the garage and go to work. Guess which ones going to be happy to see you when you come home?
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Going to resurrect this thread.
I thought the dog training had gone quite well. She sits, stays, lies down, shakes hands, etc and usually will respond when called (the only girl that has ever done any of that for me) - until today.
I was getting some water down to the hen house with an old farm pipe from years ago that runs down our boundary, and was repairing a break, dog was with me as always. Neighbour's alpacas all decide to watch, then they see the dog and start doing this hyperventilating noise that they do as a warning / panic thing. This pisses the dog off who then manages to slip her collar and chases them. Would not respond to any instruction the little bitch. There is no point in me trying to catch her - I followed her in the car the other day doing over 30kph (GPS) up the driveway, she left me behind.
As for the alpacas, I was amazed how she separated an old weak one with a shonky knee and had it pinned in a corner. Dog was knackered by then and I caught her, she is now locked up.
Anyone got any experience, words of advice to prevent her chasing stock? I suppose just more exposure with her on the lead, and a sharp tug if she goes at them?
A couple of proud moments from the last year. Her first mouse was about six months ago, one chomp, no mouse. Her first rabbit about 4 months ago, a few flicks of her head dead bunny. She understands the words bunny and mousie (wife did that bit of training), and if you say them she will start hunting, unfortunately I hadn't taught her alpaca...
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@Snowy are the alpacas yours mate? Only ask because in rural Aus here, that dog can be destroyed on the stock owner's whim if caught on another's property.
Was always that way in nz growing up but maybe changed now.
Edit, sorry, " neighbours".
Just wondering about the severity of your little rodeo dog's actions is all. Hopefully not severe
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@Siam Pretty sure that she could still be shot (or destroyed later) if caught harassing stock (even though she couldn't actually kill one other than heart attack or chase them off a cliff). So I need to stop the behaviour. My neighbour is cool, but not everybody is.
She is fine around the chooks, was taught that from day one. In the last month or two has also been chilled around the cat, but again was told that the cat was "pack" from the start.
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@Snowy cool. Good neighbour.
Maybe recreate the scenario and when she takes an interest chasing animals again, chuck a "discipline spazz". That one where you use tone of voice and scare tactics. Sounds like a behaviour that will be stressful for you guys in the long run, so needs some attention.Whenever the little buggers race away and don't respond to calling, the feeling of uselessness is all encompassing, and embarrassingly dragging our old carcasses after them is a display of futility eh?
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New to this thread as we have had a dog free house since God was a boy. However January last year we got Ms Cato No1 a Black Lab puppy and the subsequent 12 months have been interesting. He was a delightful little feller until he decided not to be and then was a complete little shite. Upshot was we took him to a guy that breeds and trains gun dogs for a once a week lesson. The important thing to realise here is that the lesson was not for him, it was for us. He emphasised that training is an ongoing thing and it is constant. There is no on/off switch. For sure you can have down time with the mutt for play and what have you but this HAS to be on your terms. It has taken a long time, maybe 6 months to get the (now not so) little bastard to be almost where we want him. The hardest part was getting him to walk to heel to the satisfaction of Nigel the gun dog man. His view was that if the dog's snout is ahead of your front foot then (said in broad Devon accent) "Him be taking the fucking piss." This meant that walking the dog was quite a trial for a long time with much yanking on the lead and loud commands but now he's pretty much there.
Recall was also difficult and we required a shock treatment for him. At one time it was suggested that a shock collar might be the thing but we were naturally very reluctant to try this. What eventually worked was a tin with a few stones in it. The dog really didn't like that noise at all and together with the appropriate command stops him in his tracks. This though needed to be trained in to him in a controlled space but now we can take him on the beach or to the moors and his recall is bloody good, even around other dogs and livestock (on the moor where they roam free). Don't get me wrong, he still has his moments but when he does, the walk or trip is cut short immediately so there are consequences and oddly enough that seems to work too.
He's just over a year old now and all is pretty good. He sits down, lays down, waits when told and recalls pretty well. He will not eat until told to; the other day I put his food down, got him to sit and wait and then went to the bathroom. He was still sitting there waiting on my return, albeit with two small pools of drool under his chops.
So in terms of what we have learned, first thing is to ensure you're in a controlled environment. Demonstrate what you want him to do and enforce this with a command - ie make the fucker sit and then say the command. Do it enough and it is ingrained. Be patient in realising that it will take time and there will often be two steps forward and one back. Stop any walk/play what have you if the response is not satisfactory. Have a shock tactic if needs be but use it sparingly. Lastly use tone in your commands, they do not understand English too well.
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WE are now around 6 months in, and there have been some serious ups and downs.
Because I'm really the only one that is mega strict with the dog, it basically hates my guts. I've never hit her, seldom raised my voice, but I've been more than happy to take her out of her environment in a bit of a huff and place her outside or in her area and shut the doors. She then just gives me this confused as fuck look for a while and gets over it.
My wife and kids thou, seriously. She jumps all over them with love, excitement affection at every single opportunity regardless of what they do. We've probably fucked up somewhere along the line in the training, but I'm struggling to give a shit. I do a lot of walking with her, and she's nigh on perfect. Will always heel when she hears a car, or hears me click the leash. Then when she's off, goes crazy running everywhere but will immediately be sitting by my feet if I call her. Certainly not as perfect when other dogs are around, but she is only 9 months old so that will calm down with age.
Has never shit inside, and hasn't done a piss inside on purpose in ages. Occasional excitement wee, but nothing major. She's not allowed in carpeted areas anyway.
So yeah all in all - well the wife and kids absolutely adore her. The good night routine for the kids takes for fucking ever now. And reality is that if it wasn't for her, I would have missed out on all the nature walks which I've done with her. Something about chucking on gumboots, a coat and gloves, and heading out for a 30 minute sold walk which feels nice. Rain or shine. Happy we got her? Suppose so. Be nice just once to have her excited to see me tho ...
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@MajorRage said in Dogs and bitches:
Occasional excitement wee, but nothing major.
Well shit, who among us isn't guilty of this from time to time?
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We are basically at the same place as you are training, and yeah, it's constant. It is only twice on recall when she has gone into hunting mode that she loses it. Just completely in her own world. Our trainer guy said to use a whistle as a "shock" to snap her out of it but might try this, thanks:
"What eventually worked was a tin with a few stones in it. The dog really didn't like that noise at all and together with the appropriate command stops him in his tracks."
@Catogrande said in Dogs and bitches:
they do not understand English too well.
Actually they reckon an average dog can understand 165 words, a smart one up to 250.
"Brain scans discover evidence that dogs process language in a similar way to humans and are only truly happy if a praising tone of voice is matched by the actual words spoken"
Your dog really does understand what you’re saying, and here is how
Brain scans discover evidence that dogs process language in a similar way to humans and are only truly happy if a praising tone of voice is matched by the actual words spoken
So yes, tone is important.
