RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)
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I can handle a loss ,
But to be almost out of ideas , completely out coached , was tough to swallow ,
Shag has been good , but this was the worst night of his coaching career , not a nice way to finish.
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@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Catogrande I don't think you're allowed to just say red. I think you have to announce every bottle of wine by it's full name and year.
My dear fellow wine IS red. It's only white wine that's white.
Astounding arrogance.
@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Catogrande said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Catogrande I don't think you're allowed to just say red. I think you have to announce every bottle of wine by it's full name and year.
My dear fellow wine IS red. It's only white wine that's white.
Astounding arrogance.
Beta-cuck
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alls I'm gunna say is this fluffybunny jinxed us... confident fan gets tattoo
I said it to the wife before the game and what do you know. get him in the high court, charge him with treason.
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For the NZ post mortem.
- Poor mental preparation.
- Forward pack was missing. (Related to point 1)
- Poor tactics, going wide against a rush defence without earning the right (related to point 1 and 2).
- Getting bundled into touch. FFS. (Related to point 3)
- Passive defense.
Selections fairly irrelevant for me to the outcome. No B Smith on the bench the only stinker.
We have a lot of players and coaching staff with experience of following up a good knockout game with a stinker from both 2011 and 2015, but no learnings seemingly. Got way too excited by the opportunity to play Ireland. Poor mental prep. A very naive last fortnight.
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@broughie said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Kirwan Bridge is also good at running good lines. Reiko has X factor though and he wouldn’t have been bundled into touch as easy as Reece or Bridge. Can’t blame these guys though and Rieko lost favor. Lost in in the forwards and the English defense everywhere was immense.
Huh? Have you not been watching Rieko finding new ways to die with the ball? The only way he wouldn't have been bundled out is because he dropped it.
@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@broughie said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Kirwan Bridge is also good at running good lines. Reiko has X factor though and he wouldn’t have been bundled into touch as easy as Reece or Bridge. Can’t blame these guys though and Rieko lost favor. Lost in in the forwards and the English defense everywhere was immense.
Huh? Have you not been watching Rieko finding new ways to die with the ball? The only way he wouldn't have been bundled out is because he dropped it.
Yes that is dreaming to think he would have made a difference he lost favor because he lost form and confidence, he wasn’t going to suddenly regain it in the semi. Besides I would take Bridge all day long under the high ball.
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@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@broughie said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Kirwan Bridge is also good at running good lines. Reiko has X factor though and he wouldn’t have been bundled into touch as easy as Reece or Bridge. Can’t blame these guys though and Rieko lost favor. Lost in in the forwards and the English defense everywhere was immense.
Huh? Have you not been watching Rieko finding new ways to die with the ball? The only way he wouldn't have been bundled out is because he dropped it.
Yes that is dreaming to think he would have made a difference he lost favor because he lost form and confidence, he wasn’t going to suddenly regain it in the semi. Besides I would take Bridge all day long under the high ball.
@DMX said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@broughie said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Kirwan Bridge is also good at running good lines. Reiko has X factor though and he wouldn’t have been bundled into touch as easy as Reece or Bridge. Can’t blame these guys though and Rieko lost favor. Lost in in the forwards and the English defense everywhere was immense.
Huh? Have you not been watching Rieko finding new ways to die with the ball? The only way he wouldn't have been bundled out is because he dropped it.
Yes that is dreaming to think he would have made a difference he lost favor because he lost form and confidence, he wasn’t going to suddenly regain it in the semi. Besides I would take Bridge all day long under the high ball.
And that sort of selection policy and player management got us last nights result.
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People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ? -
People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?Yes.
Cause that little bastard has the x factor
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@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?Yes.
Cause that little bastard has the x factor
@MiketheSnow we just needed one try against the run of play to steal a win.
Reese was there for that and was easily contained, DMac is certainly up for that sort of impact.
But probably would have also thrown an interception
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Ben Smith wasn't there because he was out of form. At other times, players have been backed to come back from that. We missed him so much. The ball was always going over Reece's head. He has a lot of development to do. We also missed a proper number six who could offer more physicality.
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People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?Lots of players didn’t really put their mark on the game like they have previously or would’ve liked to. Our 9/10 combo, our locks, our midfield barely combined for a play rather it was one out stuff from them. The front rowers seemed ineffective at the ruck.
England pressure caused many of our players problems.
DMac is a talented player and most likely would’ve been in the 23 either starting at fullback or on the bench given the way he was being selected before the injury. Whether he would’ve done better though is like saying Mauger would’ve done better than Lucky or Howlett better than Rocokoko in 2007....
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I had a think about it and put my comments on Twitter. Here they are redrafted for the Fern:
England don't rely on bounce of the ball. They may never be the most creative set of individuals but roles and responsibilities are understood and executed using the talents they have - an Eddie Jones hallmark.
The ABs historically have a hard-nosed approach to the basics, but in recent years they've become a little tinny with some of their "miracle" plays like Barrett magic. They didn't have that, and tried too hard to find it last night.
The "we will out-Kiwi them eventually" doesn't always stick
You got a couple of rough calls from Nigel, which also historically hasn't happened (with Owens or any other ref). At that point the contrasts between leadership of McCaw and Read were highlighted.
The NZRFU systems will ensure that kind of loss remains a rarity, but it's time for a refresh in the coaching ranks.
In a way I'm disappointed (ABE) but would a threepeat with another tinny win be good for the game as a whole?
No.
Also interested to see ex-Fern stalwart Red Beard on Twitter, speculating about absences:
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From our seats it was clear from the start that England challenged us up front and we were found wanting. We never looked like winning, in fact the score flattered us. The backs were neutered as a result of the forwards' inability to get parity
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I was so simple in my wanting cathartic release.
I walked home from the stadium through deserted dodgy areas, no mugging.
I went to a standing bar, got thoroughly re-drunk, yelling “fuck” at the ceiling once in a while. Much to the amusement of locals.
Then I went down to the riverside with a couple of drinks and cigarettes, found a gang of teenagers hanging out causing trouble. Sat down close to them, and when I got eye contact... gestured to the litter-mess they'd caused. They cleaned their shit up, and left.
What do I need to do to get beaten up in this country? I just want my body to feel like my mind does.@Kruse said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
I was so simple in my wanting cathartic release.
I walked home from the stadium through deserted dodgy areas, no mugging.
I went to a standing bar, got thoroughly re-drunk, yelling “fuck” at the ceiling once in a while. Much to the amusement of locals.
Then I went down to the riverside with a couple of drinks and cigarettes, found a gang of teenagers hanging out causing trouble. Sat down close to them, and when I got eye contact... gestured to the litter-mess they'd caused. They cleaned their shit up, and left.
What do I need to do to get beaten up in this country? I just want my body to feel like my mind does.God Japan is awesome. When I lived in Palmy it was almost rare not to get assaulted after dark when walking home.
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@Higgins said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
The worst is still yet to come. We still have to endure both Rattue and Reason!
And The Walrus
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People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?I hate the loss but I hate these kind of posts after the loss even worse. No complaints about Bounga after Wallabies, South Africa or Ireland , now its a failure? Nothing to suggest any other available combo would have done better. Really did not think Ritchie was the problem.
