BOP Eruption?
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@booboo yes yes, everybody here can rationalise the pitfalls of body recovery.
It turns out that human history is littered with a philosophy of retrieving your dead comrades.
Pike river, the US Marines, all armies the endless clips of distraught people wanting " closure" all indicate that this is obviously important to those suffering and indeed the pilot, who have to deal with this tragedy, not just watch it from afar.
So perhaps we listen to the willing pilot, recognise the heartache of the families, and not call off the whole thing because a middle aged expat in Australia thinks he's worked out the meaning of life!
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@Siam said in BOP Eruption?:
So perhaps we listen to the willing pilot, recognise the heartache of the families, and not call off the whole thing because a middle aged expat in Australia thinks he's worked out the meaning of life!
Or, like the people who want to (distastefully) promote the Maori name for White Island during this tragedy, some pilot wants to bag a bit of publicity.
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Anyway, some encouraging news.
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Some days it'd be convenient if life was as binary as some TSF arguments.
Let's hope all goes well for the team going in at first light tomorrow, having done a bit of thought, a bit of prep for the long term future of their own lungs, and gives the best chance (or any chance) of actually being able to ID the bodies they bring back for closure.
There's several reasons that 'missing' has been used a lot Tuesday, yesterday, and even today, not only for euphemism's sake. They had a heck of a job identifying all of the people they were able to bring back on Monday - both the dead and the living...
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@NTA said in BOP Eruption?:
@Siam said in BOP Eruption?:
So perhaps we listen to the willing pilot, recognise the heartache of the families, and not call off the whole thing because a middle aged expat in Australia thinks he's worked out the meaning of life!
Or, like the people who want to (distastefully) promote the Maori name for White Island during this tragedy, some pilot wants to bag a bit of publicity.
You cynical bugger, time for you to move back to the country
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@NTA said in BOP Eruption?:
@voodoo said in BOP Eruption?:
But then I have never been in n the situation of having a loved ones body lying dead on a beach. Hard to know how you'd feel.
A very individual thing.
But its hardly nanny-state to say there is nothing to be gained by risking more lives.
The stupidest thing would be to have someone die or get seriously injured in the pursuit of a corpse.
Nothing wrong with saying that there is nothing to be gained... But they are doing more than saying... They are actually stopping.
Who is in charge of human life, the govt or the individual . Age old issue, taken to the extreme either way leads to issues.Personally I think they are insane wanting to go and get bodies
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First rule of business.... dont fuck with Worksafe NZ
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No doubt they will feature in the investigation, those are pretty serious claims.
But at the same time these guys are heroes to a lot of people, a lot of people owe their lives to them.
Won’t undo any wrong doing of course, but will make it hard to paint them as the bad guys.. -
I don't see a problem. They should be allowed to fly to the island regardless. And the individuals who fly with them should also have done their research on whether the company was suitably safe or not.
Who are the government to tell them what they can and can't do?
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Six bodies out of the eight missing recovered and the team are all in one piece. A great morning's work by the team involved.
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@Donsteppa I'm so glad it went well, and they successfully recovered six bodies. Four hours of grueling work for those involved. (Interesting they say that one body might be in the water and one location unknown. Quite a contrast to the pilot who said he knew where they all were and could be there in 20 mins.)
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NZDF Colonel Rian McKinstry says an eight-person team, six men and two women, went on to the island with another eight-person team on standby to assist in case of any need. The team spent four hours on the island and were communicating via radio.
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The recovery team was comprised of members of the explosive ordinance disposal squad, Colonel McKinstry said.
A squad of six men and two women had been sent on to the island.
A second team had been on standby.
"As far as their demeanour is concerned because of the bomb disposal nature of the trade - you can take it they are very level-headed individuals."
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@NTA said in BOP Eruption?:
Divers to be deployed for the last 2?
Yep
Commissioner Bush said staff had sighted a body in the water and there had been an earlier attempt to recover that body which was unsuccessful due to weather.
"To say it was choppy would be an understatement."
...Divers are now searching the area.
