Super Rugby 2020

[canefan]

@Stargazer looks like Warren will continue his whining ways

[Machpants]

Yeah the obviously doesn't want the top job. And it's not like he didn't know what was happening before he signed up, the tosser. Live with it, is like injuries, deal with it sand stop being such a whiny fluffybunny

[KiwiMurph]

In fairness reading the quotes I don't think it comes across that whingy. The title is a bit click-bait ish.

[Crucial]

I wonder who else, other than DMac, is caught up in the restrictions despite not being an AB last year?
Karl T? If not why not?

[KiwiMurph]

@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2020:

I wonder who else, other than DMac, is caught up in the restrictions despite not being an AB last year?
Karl T? If not why not?

Per the Stuff article a few posts above.

The collective agreement allows for up to 33 players to be load managed, though the All Blacks coaches have identified just 31 - all those who attended the World Cup last year, plus some others who have some history with the national side

[Stargazer]

Braydon Ennor is one of them.

[taniwharugby]

@Crucial I think it is more about managing expected (potential) load this year for the ABs, which is based around those who played last year or are on radars

[Stargazer]

Ennor was mentioned (in the media) as being allowed to do his gradual return to play during preseason.

I can imagine that players like Fifita and Laumape might be in this group, too.

[Canes4life]

@canefan I’m with Gatland on this. It’s not even a World Cup year. These guys get paid enough to do a job, seems like they spend more time on holiday than actually playing these days.

No wonder Super Rugby is becoming less and less appealing for most people, the best players don’t even play.

Ironically guys like Kolisi suited up for the Stormers in pre season last week. Someone that probably actually deserves a delayed start to the year.

[Chris]

Probably this stupid limited minutes in a non WC year,tells us what the NZRFU really think of Super Rugby as a product, they are helping to kill it.
Hopefully it doesn’t become a competition like the mitre10 cup.
Token few games for some ABs

[Bovidae]

Rob Nichol and the NZRPA would also have been party to the collective agreement on behalf of the players.

[Crucial]

@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2020:

@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2020:

I wonder who else, other than DMac, is caught up in the restrictions despite not being an AB last year?
Karl T? If not why not?

Per the Stuff article a few posts above.

The collective agreement allows for up to 33 players to be load managed, though the All Blacks coaches have identified just 31 - all those who attended the World Cup last year, plus some others who have some history with the national side

So the RWC squad minus BBBR, Read, Crotty, Whitelock.... plus DMac, Ennor.....who else?

[booboo]

@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2020:

@canefan I’m with Gatland on this. It’s not even a World Cup year. These guys get paid enough to do a job, seems like they spend more time on holiday than actually playing these days.

No wonder Super Rugby is becoming less and less appealing for most people, the best players don’t even play.

Ironically guys like Kolisi suited up for the Stormers in pre season last week. Someone that probably actually deserves a delayed start to the year.

It's January. They'll play until late November if not December. Hardly "more time on holiday etc etc".

Why does Kolisi deserve more of a break?

[Machpants]

@Crucial

Initial Squad of 31

Forwards:
Hookers
Dane Coles
Liam Coltman
Codie Taylor
Props
Nepo Laulala
Joe Moody
Atu Moli
Angus Ta'avao
Ofa Tuungafasi
Locks
Scott Barrett
Brodie Retallick Sabbatical
Patrick Tuipulotu
Samuel Whitelock Sabbatical
Loose forwards
Sam Cane
Luke Jacobson
Kieran Read retired
Ardie Savea
Matt Todd retired
Backs:
Halfbacks
TJ Perenara
Aaron Smith
Brad Weber
First five-eighths
Beauden Barrett
Richie Mo'unga
Midfielders
Ryan Crotty retired
Jack Goodhue
Anton Lienert-Brown
Sonny Bill Williams retired
Outside backs
Jordie Barrett
George Bridge
Rieko Ioane
Sevu Reece
Ben Smith retired

So 6 spots to make 31 EDIT: 7 I forgot Todd
DMac for sure
Ennor, apparently
Frizzell was a replacement in the squad
Laumape almost certainly
Fafita?
Were short locks, but Sam is back
Dalton maybe?
Akira
Oh Josh Ioane

[Tim]

Karl T ahead of Moli.

[booboo]

@Chris said in Super Rugby 2020:

Probably this stupid limited minutes in a non WC year,tells us what the NZRFU really think of Super Rugby as a product, they are helping to kill it.
Hopefully it doesn’t become a competition like the mitre10 cup.
Token few games for some ABs

The problem is the length of the season. It needs to be wound back in. Drop the number if teams. Which they've done.

[Machpants]

@Tim said in Super Rugby 2020:

Karl T ahead of Moli.

Why? He was well of the pace last year and dropped, so in between then and now I'm not sure anyone has done enough to replaced someone, considering no actual games. He could be one of the extra six, sure, but ABs don't get dropped just because

[Tim]

@Machpants He had meningitis for many weeks of super rugby, then was in really good form in the NPC. Moli was barely used at the World Cup (to the extent that Ofa T was shifted, and Taavao had to play), and I don't think is very impressive, especially in the scrum. Moli looks like a placeholder rather than an incumbent.

[Stargazer]

@Machpants Sam Whitelock returns to NZ in May and will be available for the ABs this year.

You also forgot that Todd has left for Japan.

[Tim]

@Machpants Oops. thought this was the AB Squad 2020 thread, for which my arguments stand.