NTA - World Famous in New Zealand
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Don't you think the picture would have been much better if they were all holding the wads of money saved instead of bills like...
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@Kirwan said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
Looking trim too.
10-15kg overweight, but back at the gym. See how I go after heart surgery this year.
@NTA Have you covered the cost of the power wall with the savings? Or is more that you have reduced bills?
Not yet. About halfway through based on the estimates but the key thing is it has taken the operating cost out of the household electricity.
It is actually hard to calculate avoided cost in this scenario, because with retail electricity there are so many factors in the "change nothing" scenario e.g.:
- How much might my old retailer be charging now in a "do nothing" scenario?
- Would I still consume the same amount of electricity? This is important to understand, as I can see the household usage by the minute if I want with the system.
- At some point, what would I have changed/been forced to change in the household?would I have got solar anyway and not plunged into the battery? The payoff time would be shorter in Australia for just the solar system with the right retailer.
If you want to count the cents-per-kWh, and fuck knows there are a bunch of grumpy engineering type fluffybunnies lining up to do that, the cost of the battery would never be worth it. Every single one of those dickheads has a fucking answer on why I shouldn't have paid $1700/kWh installed.
Current Powerwall 2 is about the same entry cost but twice as good on most metrics, so is about $800-900/kWh depend who installs it and what else is being done at the same time.
But fuck 'em - I'm looking at a tiny annual power bill, its a sunk cost, and while I could have used the money for something else four years ago, I wouldn't be saving money now.
It is the most scrutinised device in the history of the fucking universe. I've had people tell me that "It isn't saving you money because you're getting less for solar export and you lose 8% on the round trip and pay this much for power" when they don't know my situation at all.
But you open their FB page (silly bastards don't understand even the limited version of "privacy) and there they are, celebrating the purchase of a $20,000 carbon fibre pushbikes.
Get. Fuct.
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@taniwharugby said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
this bit...
When Sydneysider Nick Pfitzner agreed to be the first person in the world to have a Tesla Powerwall battery installed in his home
Was it free?
No. Fuck no. Dropped $16K up front. But fortunately my grandmother's estate had cleared a few weeks earlier so I only threw a couple of thou at it from my own pocket. Might not have done it otherwise, but figured it was the only Tesla I could ever afford, at the time.
Setup cost in NZ? Dunno. Probably closer to $20K but your tariffs, incentives etc are all different. Batteries are largely in the C&I space over there as networks look for frequency control, redundancy, and load smoothing. I spoke to these blokes a while back who were looking for opportunities with us - they had a nice setup with a few sites in the 'Rapa doing a form of energy proxy/trading.
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@Machpants said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
Your house is too clean and tidy
My wife is fastidious. Particularly when the media come over. "What if somebody saw?!!"
Giving a shit about the opinion of strangers is one of her super powers.
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@voodoo said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
@Bones said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
Pretty thrilled to be watching TV eh.
Had the same thought, must be one heck of a game!!!
Super Smash Bros on the Nintendo Switch. I was getting my arse kicked by both my kids at the time, but had to smile for the camera.
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Note: the actual amount I've been billed across the four years - which should be somewhere near $600 once summer's bill comes in this week, includes discounts for:
- referring other people ($140 in total)
- a 15 month period where I got a $50 / month discount for participating in some battery trials that the retailer and my smart controller company set up
I maintain that that customer referral is available to anyone, I'm going to ignore that
and say 92c per day.(It is worth noting that I still get the $50 a month - it just no longer appears on the bills, being paid to me directly instead).
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@NTA said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
10-15kg overweight, but back at the gym. See how I go after heart surgery this year.
All the best with that.
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@antipodean said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
@NTA said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
10-15kg overweight, but back at the gym. See how I go after heart surgery this year.
All the best with that.
Nice to see ferners all so supportive
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Does payoff really matter? Even just the challenge and dare I say enjoyment from doing it makes up for a lot. I have seen a lot of middle aged guys spend money on a lot less. I don't agree with NTA on pretty much anything to do with climate change etc, but I dont remember him ever selling this on money. He just wanted to give it a crack and enjoy the whole thing. Mission accomplished IMO.
My neighbour just upgraded his boat, his old was pretty good, his upgrade cost 40k more, nobody annoys him with a cost benefit analysis. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
Does payoff really matter? Even just the challenge and dare I say enjoyment from doing it makes up for a lot. I have seen a lot of middle aged guys spend money on a lot less. I don't agree with NTA on pretty much anything to do with climate change etc, but I dont remember him ever selling this on money. He just wanted to give it a crack and enjoy the whole thing. Mission accomplished IMO.
My neighbour just upgraded his boat, his old was pretty good, his upgrade cost 40k more, nobody annoys him with a cost benefit analysis.I bet his wife did...
I kind of get what your saying but don't "get it" One thing is luxury entertainment and the other is energy saving.
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@Hooroo said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
Does payoff really matter? Even just the challenge and dare I say enjoyment from doing it makes up for a lot. I have seen a lot of middle aged guys spend money on a lot less. I don't agree with NTA on pretty much anything to do with climate change etc, but I dont remember him ever selling this on money. He just wanted to give it a crack and enjoy the whole thing. Mission accomplished IMO.
My neighbour just upgraded his boat, his old was pretty good, his upgrade cost 40k more, nobody annoys him with a cost benefit analysis.I bet his wife did...
I kind of get what your saying but don't "get it" One thing is luxury entertainment and the other is energy saving.
Because for some people they can be the same thing. Not me in this instance. But one persons entertainment is anothers nightmare. All I am saying is that NTA got as much enjoyment from his hobby as others get from boats, cars etc. I think any ROE is actually just a bonus.
Isn't it similar in horse racing? Passion and enjoyment for the journey first, ROE definitely possible but can't be the sole reason? -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
Does payoff really matter? Even just the challenge and dare I say enjoyment from doing it makes up for a lot. I have seen a lot of middle aged guys spend money on a lot less. I don't agree with NTA on pretty much anything to do with climate change etc, but I dont remember him ever selling this on money. He just wanted to give it a crack and enjoy the whole thing. Mission accomplished IMO.
My neighbour just upgraded his boat, his old was pretty good, his upgrade cost 40k more, nobody annoys him with a cost benefit analysis.I was asking purely on a "can I justify the cost" basis. You're right, it's something I'd like to tinker with more than anything, but I don't have the discretionary budget to buy whatever I like.
Otherwise I'd have a Tesla already.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
Does payoff really matter? Even just the challenge and dare I say enjoyment from doing it makes up for a lot. I have seen a lot of middle aged guys spend money on a lot less. I don't agree with NTA on pretty much anything to do with climate change etc, but I dont remember him ever selling this on money. He just wanted to give it a crack and enjoy the whole thing. Mission accomplished IMO.
My neighbour just upgraded his boat, his old was pretty good, his upgrade cost 40k more, nobody annoys him with a cost benefit analysis.I bet his wife did...
I kind of get what your saying but don't "get it" One thing is luxury entertainment and the other is energy saving.
Because for some people they can be the same thing. Not me in this instance. But one persons entertainment is anothers nightmare. All I am saying is that NTA got as much enjoyment from his hobby as others get from boats, cars etc. I think any ROE is actually just a bonus.
Isn't it similar in horse racing? Passion and enjoyment for the journey first, ROE definitely possible but can't be the sole reason?That’s a good topic for a thread , I see guys going out in big boats who catch fuck all but have a good time and don’t care if the snapper they are eating works out to be $90 a kg .
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NTA - World Famous in New Zealand:
Does payoff really matter? Even just the challenge and dare I say enjoyment from doing it makes up for a lot. I have seen a lot of middle aged guys spend money on a lot less. I don't agree with NTA on pretty much anything to do with climate change etc, but I dont remember him ever selling this on money. He just wanted to give it a crack and enjoy the whole thing. Mission accomplished IMO.
My neighbour just upgraded his boat, his old was pretty good, his upgrade cost 40k more, nobody annoys him with a cost benefit analysis.I bet his wife did...
I kind of get what your saying but don't "get it" One thing is luxury entertainment and the other is energy saving.
Because for some people they can be the same thing. Not me in this instance. But one persons entertainment is anothers nightmare. All I am saying is that NTA got as much enjoyment from his hobby as others get from boats, cars etc. I think any ROE is actually just a bonus.
Isn't it similar in horse racing? Passion and enjoyment for the journey first, ROE definitely possible but can't be the sole reason?I understand. That makes sense. You just needed to speak my English.
A classic example is we had two yearling up at the sales which sold and I was happy as sales were ending and we hadn't purchased anything, then with a couple of hours to go, true-love purchased a horse. I wasn't happy until it turned up on Saturday and it came to the fence and dropped its head into me. I'd pay twice the price just for that and I have no idea if she will be any good yet.
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