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@antipodean said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@jegga said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Crucial said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
The shit that annoys my is when vegos and vegans attribute their feeling healthier to removing animal products from their diet when in fact they have really only started eating well when they took this up. Of course you are going to notice a difference going from cheap and nasty food to a diet of fresh vegetables!
The guy that debunked game changers bought this up , the American diet is awful . Shitty food is cheap and the studies about people switching from the usual food to plant based get an understable bounce in their health because the food they eat is so shit .
True dat. I was astonished at the quantities Americans ate with so little nutritious value. It's a big reason why poor people are so immensely fat over there.
We went to a concert last week and I think to be honest if that’s crowds anything to go by as a nation we are getting to be as fat as fuck . The cheapest food here really is garbage.
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@canefan said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@jegga said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@No-Quarter said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@mariner4life said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@taniwharugby said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@mariner4life said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
I was astounded at the poor quality of the meat available in NZ supermarkets last time I was back. It just looked shit. Especially the chicken. I would go to the butcher as well.
my Mother-in-law has been over from the UK, and she said the cuts of NZ Lamb they get in Scotland better than ours, and cheaper.
Sadly, I guess $$$ drives alot in NZ due to rising prices, so people look for the cheaper options, which are usually poor quality.
My impression was ALL the good stuff was going overseas at export prices.
Yup, I worked in a meat department in a more gourmet place once and some of the boxes (the real expensive shit) were marked "Export Quality". We produce some of the best meat in the world but don't get to eat it ourselves.
We import a lot of the pork we eat though and a decent amount of it comes from China .
Check out your local Countdown freezer section and find a shit ton of Spanish pork belly. If it's cheaper to process and fly that stuff over to sell there is something wrong
One of the guys at Preston’s told me we just don’t have enough pigs to supply the local market.
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Sometimes I can surprise myself with a meat free dish that tastes amazing.
We had a empty cow that was three and hadn't had a calf and she was going to be the next Feezer beast come Autumn so we have given away a heap of beef to clear the feezer, but the dozy cow had a calf last week. Talk about a timing it perfect to extend your life.
Now we have an freezer that is getting low on beef and not animal that is large enough to be butchered.
Might have to go to the sales.
The Corona Virus will free up some cheap meat as farmers are trying to destock and we can't export stuff all.
Happy times for meatatarians.
Meatstock this weekend! Get amongst!
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This 2001 essay is a pretty good response to some of the more fanciful and ahistorical trendy views on the history of food:
A Plea for Culinary Modernism
The obsession with eating natural and artisanal is ahistorical. We should demand more high-quality industrial food.
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@jegga said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@canefan said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@jegga said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@No-Quarter said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@mariner4life said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@taniwharugby said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@mariner4life said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
I was astounded at the poor quality of the meat available in NZ supermarkets last time I was back. It just looked shit. Especially the chicken. I would go to the butcher as well.
my Mother-in-law has been over from the UK, and she said the cuts of NZ Lamb they get in Scotland better than ours, and cheaper.
Sadly, I guess $$$ drives alot in NZ due to rising prices, so people look for the cheaper options, which are usually poor quality.
My impression was ALL the good stuff was going overseas at export prices.
Yup, I worked in a meat department in a more gourmet place once and some of the boxes (the real expensive shit) were marked "Export Quality". We produce some of the best meat in the world but don't get to eat it ourselves.
We import a lot of the pork we eat though and a decent amount of it comes from China .
Check out your local Countdown freezer section and find a shit ton of Spanish pork belly. If it's cheaper to process and fly that stuff over to sell there is something wrong
One of the guys at Preston’s told me we just don’t have enough pigs to supply the local market.
I heard something sort of similar. As you say, China is one source, Spain clearly and I've also heard we get Canadian pork too
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@jegga said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Crucial said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
The shit that annoys my is when vegos and vegans attribute their feeling healthier to removing animal products from their diet when in fact they have really only started eating well when they took this up. Of course you are going to notice a difference going from cheap and nasty food to a diet of fresh vegetables!
The guy that debunked game changers bought this up , the American diet is awful . Shitty food is cheap and the studies about people switching from the usual food to plant based get an understable bounce in their health because the food they eat is so shit .
Tim Dillon did a good bit recently where he went through the Denny's breakfast menu and everything had between 1000 and 1800 kcal.
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@antipodean said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
I miss living in Brisbane. I didn't buy meat for a decade.
Context: Wasn't vegan, just took the esky to the farm and raided one of the meat freezers.
TBF, that context doesn't add much context.
@mariner4life said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@taniwharugby said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Crucial all about what you choose, less processed crap, going for the better quality stuff as opposed to the average stuff you get at supermarkets, plus all the processed crap they sell.
I was astounded at the poor quality of the meat available in NZ supermarkets last time I was back. It just looked shit. Especially the chicken. I would go to the butcher as well.
I don't want to be contrarian but I always look forward to the red meat when I'm back in NZ. I find a lot (but not all) of the stuff in Sydney to be pretty bland tastewise even at the nicer restaurants (outside of stuff like prawns and pork belly in chinatown etc).
I always make sure I go out for steak back home, get some decent lamb dishes etc, but in fairness I'm usually eating out or going to my old local butchers back in Hawkes Bay.
I also don't really notice the price when back in NZ as I'm on holiday mode which probably influences my thinking.
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@canefan said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Nepia that's that tender but tasteless grain fed aussie beef vs kiwi grassfed stuff
I've heard the claim over here that Aussie beef is actually grass fed, I've always been too lazy to look it up though.
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@Nepia said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@canefan said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Nepia that's that tender but tasteless grain fed aussie beef vs kiwi grassfed stuff
I've heard the claim over here that Aussie beef is actually grass fed, I've always been too lazy to look it up though.
Mostly grain-fed toward the end of their lives after being raised on pasture. This is basically to finish them off at the right time to keep a constant supply going rather than rely on seasonal growth.
The good 'pasture' stuff is often from the Cooper Creek drainage basin (SW QLD) after the rains have been as the spinifex grass pops up and goes to seed quickly providing really rich oils and the cattle put on crazy size.
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@Nepia A lot of their export beef is finished on grain. I have been told that there is more of a reliance on hay rather than grass in the paddock by an NZ farmer, but I have no idea of the veracity of that claim.
The Australian Beef Compendium might be a good place to start your investigation:
While cattle are designed to eat grass - a good system, turning that which humans can’t eat into food – circumstances can sometimes dictate that a farmer chooses to either finish cattle on a feedlot – usually for a minimum of 100 days before processing, supplement pasture with feed bins in the paddock – or assign them to a feedlot for their lifetime.
Cattle fed according the last of these regimes are known as grainfed. Other additions of grain – either as supplements for 100 days or via feed bins in the paddock – are known as grain-assisted.
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@mariner4life said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Crucial check out Felicity Kendall here
I'll take that as a compliment. She had a nice bum.
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@Crucial said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Nepia said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@canefan said in Going Vegetarian / Vegan ..:
@Nepia that's that tender but tasteless grain fed aussie beef vs kiwi grassfed stuff
I've heard the claim over here that Aussie beef is actually grass fed, I've always been too lazy to look it up though.
Mostly grain-fed toward the end of their lives after being raised on pasture. This is basically to finish them off at the right time to keep a constant supply going rather than rely on seasonal growth.
The good 'pasture' stuff is often from the Cooper Creek drainage basin (SW QLD) after the rains have been as the spinifex grass pops up and goes to seed quickly providing really rich oils and the cattle put on crazy size.
In terms of fat content and slow BBQ, US pitmasters love grain fed beef because the marbling scores are higher. There are premium providers in NZ who are finishing their animals off with grain before slaughter, like Wakanui and Ocean
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@canefan I personally find grain fed or finished steak rather bland. There are high-end NZ exporters doing all grain fed Wagyu/Angus cross beef. Grass fed flavour with Grain fed marbling levels. I'll have to try it soon.
Firstlight Beef is one of them:
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Surely that's only 2 degrees of separation to get to meat, all been covered off too.
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