Super Rugby 2020
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Marinos doesn't do himself any favors with his reply.
How many years have we been complaining about the 'merit' ref (i.e., save us some money) system? Look at this yoga babble:
People are always producing statistics, but we will at the right time communicate our view on where we are from a competition perspective and the performances of our referees. I just don't understand where, all of sudden, after 10 years of meritocracy, suddenly now neutrality becomes an issue because a team, or teams, are suddenly are now feeling aggrieved by processes -
@barbarian said in Super Rugby 2020:
Another shot fired at SANZAAR and South African refs:
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/a-letter-to-andy-marinos-ceo-sanzaar/
that is a terrifically entitled and needy little letter there
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2020:
@barbarian said in Super Rugby 2020:
Another shot fired at SANZAAR and South African refs:
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/a-letter-to-andy-marinos-ceo-sanzaar/
that is a terrifically entitled and needy little letter there
Even had the gall to call it analysis. Didn't see anything testing the null hypothesis. Perhaps that was an addendum.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2020:
@barbarian said in Super Rugby 2020:
Another shot fired at SANZAAR and South African refs:
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/a-letter-to-andy-marinos-ceo-sanzaar/
that is a terrifically entitled and needy little letter there
Even had the gall to call it analysis. Didn't see anything testing the null hypothesis. Perhaps that was an addendum.
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2020:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2020:
@barbarian said in Super Rugby 2020:
Another shot fired at SANZAAR and South African refs:
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/a-letter-to-andy-marinos-ceo-sanzaar/
that is a terrifically entitled and needy little letter there
Even had the gall to call it analysis. Didn't see anything testing the null hypothesis. Perhaps that was an addendum.
Although I see your point, I'd be shocked if a one-way ANOVA didn't show a significant result for that sample between SA versus NZ and OZ. Did they link to the raw data? If so, I could run it (and check assumptions) pretty quickly.
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2020:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2020:
@barbarian said in Super Rugby 2020:
Another shot fired at SANZAAR and South African refs:
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/a-letter-to-andy-marinos-ceo-sanzaar/
that is a terrifically entitled and needy little letter there
Even had the gall to call it analysis. Didn't see anything testing the null hypothesis. Perhaps that was an addendum.
Although I see your point, I'd be shocked if a one-way ANOVA didn't show a significant result for that sample between SA versus NZ and OZ. Did they link to the raw data? If so, I could run it (and check assumptions) pretty quickly.
@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2020:
Although I see your point, I'd be shocked if a one-way ANOVA didn't show a significant result for that sample between SA versus NZ and OZ.
And could that be blown out by a particular ref like Egon Seconds... Why not include data from 2016? Does it account for the teams involved etc.
It's not as simple as a count divided by games as we know teams change tactics for opposition and are they giving away penalties chasing games etc.
There's an awful lot of variables to account for unless it's obvious. Like how Rasta is a shit ref and Egon's a clear cheat.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2020:
Although I see your point, I'd be shocked if a one-way ANOVA didn't show a significant result for that sample between SA versus NZ and OZ.
And could that be blown out by a particular ref like Egon Seconds... Why not include data from 2016? Does it account for the teams involved etc.
It's not as simple as a count divided by games as we know teams change tactics for opposition and are they giving away penalties chasing games etc.
There's an awful lot of variables to account for unless it's obvious. Like how Rasta is a shit ref and Egon's a clear cheat.
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2020:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2020:
Although I see your point, I'd be shocked if a one-way ANOVA didn't show a significant result for that sample between SA versus NZ and OZ.
And could that be blown out by a particular ref like Egon Seconds... Why not include data from 2016? Does it account for the teams involved etc.
It's not as simple as a count divided by games as we know teams change tactics for opposition and are they giving away penalties chasing games etc.
There's an awful lot of variables to account for unless it's obvious. Like how Rasta is a shit ref and Egon's a clear cheat.
Easy enough to remove him as well if he is an outlier.
Equally, your point about him being a cheat could be supported by comparing his reffing in local versus local vs non local games.
I'm guessing there is no link to the raw data though.
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What I don't get is these home refs are supposedly to save money. Why was AJ Jacobs in Aus in the weekend?
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
What I don't get is these home refs are supposedly to save money. Why was AJ Jacobs in Aus in the weekend?
Technically, I think it was put in as a 'merit' system (i.e., was supposedly about reffing quality), but it seems to be to many of us really about cost cutting and perhaps also because at one time there were too many kiwi refs. I can't find any sources which talked about it beingintroduced to help with costs, only ones which talk about it as a merit system.
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It's a pretty weird response. The point about Gardner is nonsensical, what does it have to do with referee neutrality?
@barbarian said in Super Rugby 2020:
It's a pretty weird response. The point about Gardner is nonsensical, what does it have to do with referee neutrality?
The concept of "perception = reality" is something that is totally missed by SANZAAR
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What I don't get is these home refs are supposedly to save money. Why was AJ Jacobs in Aus in the weekend?
@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
What I don't get is these home refs are supposedly to save money. Why was AJ Jacobs in Aus in the weekend?
Technically, I think it was put in as a 'merit' system (i.e., was supposedly about reffing quality), but it seems to be to many of us really about cost cutting and perhaps also because at one time there were too many kiwi refs. I can't find any sources which talked about it beingintroduced to help with costs, only ones which talk about it as a merit system.
This is from the SANZAAR media release about referee team from last year:
Following a comprehensive review of match official performances in 2018 and to ensure continued growth in the referee team performance, the team has been reduced from 17 to 15 referees. Another outcome from the review will see all match referees, assistant referees and television match official appointments being made by SANZAAR. When required, due to logistical and operational requirements, SANZAAR will utilise match officials from outside the team of 15 that allows for the development of local talent.“What is exciting for 2019, is that our 15 referees will be working closely in five pods of three, with each pod refereeing together on as many of their games as is practical (referee and assistant referees). This will inevitably help the efficiency of their teamwork and the way in which they can support each other, both on and off the field.”So in 2019, they went from 17 to 15 referees, and in 2020 from 15 to 12 referees.
This is from this year's media release about the referee team:
"This year we have reduced the referee team from 15 to 12 following intense scrutiny of performance and the objectives we want to meet, as identified by the Stellenbosch camp in South Africa recently. This smaller, tighter referee team we believe will deliver greater consistency of performance and better critical decision-making processes to ensure Super Rugby delivers fantastic rugby for the players and fans,” added Marinos.To answer @Bones' question "Why was AJ Jacobs in Aus in the weekend":
Looking at the referee appointments from the first 4 rounds, AJ Jacobs is in a pod with Aussie refs Damon Murphy and Nic Berry; that's why he is officiating in Oz.
It seems the other South African refs are in the same pod (Peyper, van der Westhuizen, Rasivhenge), although - if there is more than one game in South Africa and one in Argentina - they officiate games without each other and with other local ARs (including Egan Seconds!). I assume that is because the games in SA are all played on the same day, unlike the games in NZ and Australia.
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Can't they transfer this match to Singapore, the other home venue of the Sunwolves?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12311988
Not sure why this link shows the above article when exactly the same address is now showing the following
Coronavirus has hit Super Rugby with next week's match between the Sunwolves and Brumbies called off.
"Sanzaar has now been informed that the Japanese Government has requested the cancellation of sporting events in the country for the next two weeks with specific mention of the Japanese professional sports leagues," a statement said.
"This includes the Sunwolves versus Brumbies match that is scheduled to be played in Osaka...".
"Sanzaar is now working to determine if this match can be relocated. Sanzaar will issue further details on the position of this match and any potential further disruptions in the near future," the statement continued.The Sunwolves are currently in New Zealand for Saturday's match against the Hurricanes in Napier.
Earlier today the men's and women's Six Nations fixtures between Ireland and Italy have been postponed with 11 towns in northern Italy in lockdown due to coronavirus. Set for March 7 and 8 in Dublin the matches are set to be rescheduled.
"We were then advised, formally, that the National Public Health Emergency team has determined that the series of matches should not proceed, in the interests of Public Health. The IRFU is happy to comply with this instruction," The Irish Rugby Football Union said in a statement.
In Japan, football games in the J.League this week have been cancelled, while the table tennis world championships in South Korea have been postponed.
Additionally, Global Rapid Rugby have relocated matches in China to New Zealand and possibly Australia, concerns have been raised about Six Nations clashes involving Italy and World Sevens Series in Singapore and Hong Kong will be now held in October rather than April. -
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Can't they transfer this match to Singapore, the other home venue of the Sunwolves?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12311988
Not sure why this link shows the above article when exactly the same address is now showing the following
Coronavirus has hit Super Rugby with next week's match between the Sunwolves and Brumbies called off.
"Sanzaar has now been informed that the Japanese Government has requested the cancellation of sporting events in the country for the next two weeks with specific mention of the Japanese professional sports leagues," a statement said.
"This includes the Sunwolves versus Brumbies match that is scheduled to be played in Osaka...".
"Sanzaar is now working to determine if this match can be relocated. Sanzaar will issue further details on the position of this match and any potential further disruptions in the near future," the statement continued.The Sunwolves are currently in New Zealand for Saturday's match against the Hurricanes in Napier.
Earlier today the men's and women's Six Nations fixtures between Ireland and Italy have been postponed with 11 towns in northern Italy in lockdown due to coronavirus. Set for March 7 and 8 in Dublin the matches are set to be rescheduled.
"We were then advised, formally, that the National Public Health Emergency team has determined that the series of matches should not proceed, in the interests of Public Health. The IRFU is happy to comply with this instruction," The Irish Rugby Football Union said in a statement.
In Japan, football games in the J.League this week have been cancelled, while the table tennis world championships in South Korea have been postponed.
Additionally, Global Rapid Rugby have relocated matches in China to New Zealand and possibly Australia, concerns have been raised about Six Nations clashes involving Italy and World Sevens Series in Singapore and Hong Kong will be now held in October rather than April.@Higgins said in Super Rugby 2020:
"Sanzaar has now been informed that the Japanese Government has requested the cancellation of sporting events in the country for the next two weeks with specific mention of the Japanese professional sports leagues," a statement said.
Well I guess there goes the plans to catch a double header at Prince Chichibu Memorial Rugby Ground Sat week.
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too hard to drink beer through a surgical mask anyway
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@Higgins said in Super Rugby 2020:
"Sanzaar has now been informed that the Japanese Government has requested the cancellation of sporting events in the country for the next two weeks with specific mention of the Japanese professional sports leagues," a statement said.
Well I guess there goes the plans to catch a double header at Prince Chichibu Memorial Rugby Ground Sat week.
@antipodean I was gonna go haha after my original plan of seeing a J League game fell through but yeah, looks like there's no sport in Japan until after I leave.
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The Sunwolves v Brumbies match on 6 March will be relocated to WIN Stadium in Wollongong and played ahead of the Waratahs-Chiefs match.
The Sunwolves v Crusaders match on 14 March has been moved to Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane, to be played ahead of the Reds v Bulls game that night.
Amended Super Rugby fixtures
All times NZT.
Friday March 6
4:45pm - Sunwolves vs Brumbies, WIN Stadium, Wollongong, LIVE on Foxtel, Kayo Sports and via RUGBY.com.au RADIO
9:15pm - Waratahs vs Chiefs, WIN Stadium, Wollongong, LIVE on Foxtel, Kayo Sports and via RUGBY.com.au RADIO
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Saturday March 14
TBC - Sunwolves vs Crusaders, Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane, LIVE on Foxtel and Kayo Sports
9:15pm - Reds vs Bulls, Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane, LIVE on Foxtel, Kayo Sports and via RUGBY.com.au RADIO
https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2020/02/27/super-rugby-brumbies-sunwolves-waratahs-chiefs-relocation
I can only assume that Sky will still broadcast these games.
