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@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@voodoo
guess the difference is from the similar issues in the past, is they wanted to change things while defying school rules, rather than this case, they are complying and challenging.Much better way to go about it.
I agree it's better than simple defiance. But IMO there is a huge trend of entitlement going on these days. This kid is being taught that if you don't like something, just challenge it. Not to try and understand why the rule might be there to start with, or maybe just to suck it up.
This might be a minor thing, but I reckon it's a pretty good proxy for the generation.
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@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan I dont agree either, but the process is better IMO.
I didnt have the issue, couldnt grow facial hair at school!
I can barely grow it now!
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@voodoo said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@voodoo
guess the difference is from the similar issues in the past, is they wanted to change things while defying school rules, rather than this case, they are complying and challenging.Much better way to go about it.
I agree it's better than simple defiance. But IMO there is a huge trend of entitlement going on these days. This kid is being taught that if you don't like something, just challenge it. Not to try and understand why the rule might be there to start with, or maybe just to suck it up.
This might be a minor thing, but I reckon it's a pretty good proxy for the generation.
on the other hand...
how does one understand something without challenging it first? Why should we teach our kids to just "suck it up" because something has always been done that way?
I would have thought compliance, while challenging, and then the acceptance of the rule if you lose, is a pretty fucking great lesson for a kid.
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@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
see I think this mother did this the right way with her son, rather than defying school rules and fighting form there, they are complying and then seeking a review.
He’s got a blonde mullet and a moustache . The schools doing him a favour telling him not to come in
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@mariner4life said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@voodoo said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@voodoo
guess the difference is from the similar issues in the past, is they wanted to change things while defying school rules, rather than this case, they are complying and challenging.Much better way to go about it.
I agree it's better than simple defiance. But IMO there is a huge trend of entitlement going on these days. This kid is being taught that if you don't like something, just challenge it. Not to try and understand why the rule might be there to start with, or maybe just to suck it up.
This might be a minor thing, but I reckon it's a pretty good proxy for the generation.
on the other hand...
how does one understand something without challenging it first? Why should we teach our kids to just "suck it up" because something has always been done that way?
I would have thought compliance, while challenging, and then the acceptance of the rule if you lose, is a pretty fucking great lesson for a kid.
You don't need to challenge to understand, asking a few questions usually suffices. Going to the board meeting might have been a start. Not running to the papers might also have made sense.
Kids need to learn to pick their battles. Its gonna be a shitty life if you feel aggrieved and slighted by every little thing that you don't agree with.
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@voodoo said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@mariner4life said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@voodoo said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@voodoo
guess the difference is from the similar issues in the past, is they wanted to change things while defying school rules, rather than this case, they are complying and challenging.Much better way to go about it.
I agree it's better than simple defiance. But IMO there is a huge trend of entitlement going on these days. This kid is being taught that if you don't like something, just challenge it. Not to try and understand why the rule might be there to start with, or maybe just to suck it up.
This might be a minor thing, but I reckon it's a pretty good proxy for the generation.
on the other hand...
how does one understand something without challenging it first? Why should we teach our kids to just "suck it up" because something has always been done that way?
I would have thought compliance, while challenging, and then the acceptance of the rule if you lose, is a pretty fucking great lesson for a kid.
You don't need to challenge to understand, asking a few questions usually suffices. Going to the board meeting might have been a start. Not running to the papers might also have made sense.
Kids need to learn to pick their battles. Its gonna be a shitty life if you feel aggrieved and slighted by every little thing that you don't agree with.
You are preaching to the faithful here....
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@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan I dont agree either, but the process is better IMO.
I didnt have the issue, couldnt grow facial hair at school!
I can barely grow it now!
You’re lucky , my whanau got the lycanthrope gene . The only time it’s ever come in handy was when my brother took out first place in a hairiest back competition at a pub and won a $250 bar tab .
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@Bones said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@voodoo I haven't read the article so do they say they have tried to understand and don't, or they haven't even tried?
Basically what you're saying is nothing should change, we should just accept what's passed down from up high?
I think she has been told why, she just doesn't like it. She didnt bother to shpw fpr the board meeting where they said they'd listen to her arguments.
And no, sucking everything up is not what I'm saying, not unilaterally. Although in this instance she should. As if the principal and the board don't have anything better to do that deal with her
I'm saying people need to pick their battles. Stand up for shit you believe in, but try to care about more than your individual right to grow a mo at school
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@Bones who says its arbitrary? She does? Her 15yr son? Plenty of schools (90% +?) would have a similar rule for boys. I know we did.
What about uniforms? Are they arbitrary also?
Look, I dunno if the policy is the best one, but I do know that it's hardly worth getting upset about. I almost got fired from Pak'n'Save when the manager came in off duty and saw I was unshaven (I used to rock the fish bay section - the aroma made me money with the ladies at Friday night parties after my shift ended ...)
It was a simple rule, really not hard to comply with, and no big sacrifice for me.
I just reckon energy is much better directed at stuff that matters. If my kids want to pick a fight with authorities, I want to make sure it's something they really care about , and then I'll support them all the way
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Verity is back and making up stories again
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@jegga said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@canefan I dont agree either, but the process is better IMO.
I didnt have the issue, couldnt grow facial hair at school!
I can barely grow it now!
You’re lucky , my whanau got the lycanthrope gene . The only time it’s ever come in handy was when my brother took out first place in a hairiest back competition at a pub and won a $250 bar tab .
that's going straight on the CV
Edit: Saffers were called hairybacks apparently
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@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
see I think this mother did this the right way with her son, rather than defying school rules and fighting form there, they are complying and then seeking a review.
And yet he's allowed that haircut?
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@antipodean said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@No-Quarter said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
First time I've ever encountered this. I thought the hyphenated names were the perfect solution for the kids, not adults.
Was wondering who "ex kiwi league international " Robbie Hunter-Paul was...
*Hunter-Paul is well placed to comment on Super League impact.
The Aucklander - best known in New Zealand as Robbie Paul before hyphenating his name when he married Lisa Hunter in 2010 – spent his entire 19-year professional career in England.*
From an article on stuff talking up SBW
What if two people with hyphenated names get married and want to... hyphenate? Do they end up with 4 surnames? And then their kids end up with 8? 16? 32?
It's a stupid idea.
Both parents hyphenating is, but children adopting hyphenated names works perfectly well for hundreds of millions of people.
How selfish, not thinking of the next generation beyond thier own.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@antipodean said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@No-Quarter said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
First time I've ever encountered this. I thought the hyphenated names were the perfect solution for the kids, not adults.
Was wondering who "ex kiwi league international " Robbie Hunter-Paul was...
*Hunter-Paul is well placed to comment on Super League impact.
The Aucklander - best known in New Zealand as Robbie Paul before hyphenating his name when he married Lisa Hunter in 2010 – spent his entire 19-year professional career in England.*
From an article on stuff talking up SBW
What if two people with hyphenated names get married and want to... hyphenate? Do they end up with 4 surnames? And then their kids end up with 8? 16? 32?
It's a stupid idea.
Both parents hyphenating is, but children adopting hyphenated names works perfectly well for hundreds of millions of people.
How selfish, not thinking of the next generation beyond thier own.
Hyphenated names are retarded.What happens when two hypenated people marry, is it exponential?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@antipodean said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@No-Quarter said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Siam said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
First time I've ever encountered this. I thought the hyphenated names were the perfect solution for the kids, not adults.
Was wondering who "ex kiwi league international " Robbie Hunter-Paul was...
*Hunter-Paul is well placed to comment on Super League impact.
The Aucklander - best known in New Zealand as Robbie Paul before hyphenating his name when he married Lisa Hunter in 2010 – spent his entire 19-year professional career in England.*
From an article on stuff talking up SBW
What if two people with hyphenated names get married and want to... hyphenate? Do they end up with 4 surnames? And then their kids end up with 8? 16? 32?
It's a stupid idea.
Both parents hyphenating is, but children adopting hyphenated names works perfectly well for hundreds of millions of people.
How selfish, not thinking of the next generation beyond thier own.
Hyphenated names are retarded.Heh heh Andrew Smith-Jones marries Andrea Samson-Whitely and their child becomes Bruce Samson-Whitely-Smith-Jones! That's quite some signature!
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@Kirwan they make up a name like those people earlier in this thread!
Funnily I met up with a client last year, and when I met him I thought he seemed familiar, but name didnt ring a bell, he recognised my name, and then said his name at school and how his name was now a combination of him and his wife's name.
Assume it is no different if they split up they both change names back?
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