The future of NZ Rugby
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NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
rant of the week
a lot of truth there though
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NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
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@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
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@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
he doesn't mean the actual allocation of Harbour you fool. He means that there should have been two Auckland franchises. Instead they made two South Island franchises.
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@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
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@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
he doesn't mean the actual allocation of Harbour you fool. He means that there should have been two Auckland franchises. Instead they made two South Island franchises.
@mariner4life said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
he doesn't mean the actual allocation of Harbour you fool. He means that there should have been two Auckland franchises. Instead they made two South Island franchises.
See Duluth's response.
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@mariner4life said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
he doesn't mean the actual allocation of Harbour you fool. He means that there should have been two Auckland franchises. Instead they made two South Island franchises.
See Duluth's response.
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@mariner4life said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
he doesn't mean the actual allocation of Harbour you fool. He means that there should have been two Auckland franchises. Instead they made two South Island franchises.
See Duluth's response.
see GT12's response
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@mariner4life said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
he doesn't mean the actual allocation of Harbour you fool. He means that there should have been two Auckland franchises. Instead they made two South Island franchises.
See Duluth's response.
@Hooroo what a moronically pedantic point. Can you send an email to all the potential Sky subscribers on the Shore and let them know that the Harbour franchise actually went to Hamilton, and having a team in Dunedin was completely independent of that naming convention?
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@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@mariner4life said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
he doesn't mean the actual allocation of Harbour you fool. He means that there should have been two Auckland franchises. Instead they made two South Island franchises.
See Duluth's response.
see GT12's response
@mariner4life said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@mariner4life said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
NZ rugby deserves a dreadful outcome. They got handed a great product and have tried to ruin every level of it outside of the All Blacks. This is the only organisation stupid enough to try to run two levels of provincial teams, and in a tiny country. When professionalism came, two of the top four teams were in the major population centre. They responded by putting a North Harbour's franchise in fucking Dunedin. It's almost like they are trying to go broke. Rugby is dead in Auckland now.
Fuck the NZRU. They're completely incompetent and deserve to go broke. It couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of provincial morons.
Didn't the Harbour franchise go to Waikato?
he doesn't mean the actual allocation of Harbour you fool. He means that there should have been two Auckland franchises. Instead they made two South Island franchises.
See Duluth's response.
see GT12's response
see hooroos response to Tim
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@Hooroo what a moronically pedantic point. Can you send an email to all the potential Sky subscribers on the Shore and let them know that the Harbour franchise actually went to Hamilton, and having a team in Dunedin was completely independent of that naming convention?
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo what a moronically pedantic point. Can you send an email to all the potential Sky subscribers on the Shore and let them know that the Harbour franchise actually went to Hamilton, and having a team in Dunedin was completely independent of that naming convention?
How come? I was just pointing out what happened at the time as Duluth always reminds me how "lucky" we are to have a franchise at Harbours expense.
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They should also consider the number of staff employed at head office as some of them do seem somewhat superflous eg things like womans referees development officer (if one exists!) Come to think of it they should also consider the referees and TMO review committee staff as they seem to see things somewhat differently from the majority of us. They could use the money saved there in an attempt to get some of those officials they employ upskilled in things like detecting obvious forward passes etc (Aussie should do the same with George Ayoub)
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@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo what a moronically pedantic point. Can you send an email to all the potential Sky subscribers on the Shore and let them know that the Harbour franchise actually went to Hamilton, and having a team in Dunedin was completely independent of that naming convention?
How come? I was just pointing out what happened at the time as Duluth always reminds me how "lucky" we are to have a franchise at Harbours expense.
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@Hooroo The internal politics of the decision have no effect on the market failure of not putting a team in Harbour but putting a team in Dunedin. It's completely irrelevant to viewers.
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo The internal politics of the decision have no effect on the market failure of not putting a team in Harbour but putting a team in Dunedin. It's completely irrelevant to viewers.
Not the Dunedin or Waikato viewers
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@Stargazer said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
I'd be furious if they canned the NPC .
You realise that doesn't matter right? What actually matters is implementation of a product(s) that aren't loss making. NPC died years ago despite a handful of passionate supporters.
I just hope that the decision they make is a good watch as I haven't watched NPC properly in ten years
@Hooroo said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Stargazer said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
I'd be furious if they canned the NPC .
You realise that doesn't matter right? What actually matters is implementation of a product(s) that aren't loss making. NPC died years ago despite a handful of passionate supporters.
I just hope that the decision they make is a good watch as I haven't watched NPC properly in ten years
Good for you, less so for those of us who prefer the NPC. Plus, it's reliant on them making a product that is profitable, and maybe no product can be successful and separate from the top down structure of NZ rugby.
With this and Oz rugby falling apart I guess I need to find a new sport to follow:
NRL - fucking useless Warriors, I hate origin, it's not the 90s anymore.
AFL - I just don't get aerial ping pong.
Wendyball - I made my decision not to follow it at age 5 so no reason to change that now.
V8's - Holden gone, car racing isn't a sport, and I don't even like cars anyway.
Netball -Hmmm, long legged ladies in skirts, could be a contender. -
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo The internal politics of the decision have no effect on the market failure of not putting a team in Harbour but putting a team in Dunedin. It's completely irrelevant to viewers.
Not the Dunedin or Waikato viewers
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So, what is the best/ a good way forward?
High school footy seems like a potentially lucrative product to me, as long as the TV infrastructure can be set up, while moving all academies to Super teams is a likely move and probably a good one.
The key thing for me is having a Super competition that is engaging. I like pools where teams play against other local teams then there is a secondary competition that follows across borders (like a Heineken Cup).
That would mean (for example) a SA pool, Aus pool, NZ pool, Asian pool (including Fijian teams, for example), Japan pool, Argentinian pool, and potentially a North American pool.
We could have either 14 teams, of which some advance, or 5 or 6 Super teams, of which some advance. On that, it would be interesting to see the modeling, but my feeling is that there is an extra layer that needs removing for our population size - either provincial or Super teams.
My feeling is that younger viewers (i.e., >30 yrs) probably identify with their Super teams anyway, and these are established brands, so the only potential move would be to expand to 6 teams and try to get Harbour and and Northland as one team.
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@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo There is no one in Dunedin.
To be fair, I don't think diluting the sparse crowds in Auckland region even further is going to help much.
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@Hooroo Imagine if they invested in their biggest market, what a radical business decision!
Instead they base their most expensive players in Christchurch. Because they are incredibly stupid.
@Tim said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
@Hooroo Imagine if they invested in their biggest market, what a radical business decision!
Instead they base their most expensive players in Christchurch. Because they are incredibly stupid.
Invested more in the biggest market you mean. Make no mistake, investment was made in Auckland
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So, what is the best/ a good way forward?
High school footy seems like a potentially lucrative product to me, as long as the TV infrastructure can be set up, while moving all academies to Super teams is a likely move and probably a good one.
The key thing for me is having a Super competition that is engaging. I like pools where teams play against other local teams then there is a secondary competition that follows across borders (like a Heineken Cup).
That would mean (for example) a SA pool, Aus pool, NZ pool, Asian pool (including Fijian teams, for example), Japan pool, Argentinian pool, and potentially a North American pool.
We could have either 14 teams, of which some advance, or 5 or 6 Super teams, of which some advance. On that, it would be interesting to see the modeling, but my feeling is that there is an extra layer that needs removing for our population size - either provincial or Super teams.
My feeling is that younger viewers (i.e., >30 yrs) probably identify with their Super teams anyway, and these are established brands, so the only potential move would be to expand to 6 teams and try to get Harbour and and Northland as one team.
@gt12 said in The future of NZ Super Rugby teams & the NPC:
The key thing for me is having a Super competition that is engaging. I like pools where teams play against other local teams then there is a secondary competition that follows across borders (like a Heineken Cup).
See, I guess this shows how hard it is to have the perfect competition, I'm the opposite, I prefer matches where NZ teams are playing non NZ teams. I hated the NZ teams play each other twice structure. I remember missing more games at that time than in any other era of watching Super Rugby.
