Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020
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@Godder said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
A spinner would have to replace Southee (when he retires) or CdG, and that would be by outbatting and outbowling him - Santner couldn't do it, so it might be a long wait.
Who?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
@Godder said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
A spinner would have to replace Southee (when he retires) or CdG, and that would be by outbatting and outbowling him - Santner couldn't do it, so it might be a long wait.
Who?
Some guy who wasn't up to test cricket.
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16 wickets fall on a hard day 2 pitch after 2 days of fine weather?
No runs are guaranteed on this track.
Flashbacks of that paki game years ago, thank god no wasim or waqar.
Bowlers have been superb to a man and they're the reason we're all good at the moment.
Next 2 wickets are huge and hope to chase less than 180.
Whatever the chase I reckon a Rossco or Colin off the leash may be the defining innings'. Probably not a 4th innings wicket to scratch about on -
@Godder said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
A spinner would have to replace Southee (when he retires) or CdG, and that would be by outbatting and outbowling him - Santner couldn't do it, so it might be a long wait.
If Jamieson's batting is as good as its looked so far in his career then he can potentially take over de Grandhomme's allrounder spot, making it easier to fit in a spinner.
De Grandhomme has been bizzare in that he never quite looks like he belongs in test cricket when you watch him bowl gentle medium pace or swatting violently at bowlers, but yet his numbers show that he's been successful. Some padding against the minnows for sure but his bowling has been threatening against almost every team in most conditions.
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@Chris-B said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
@nzzp Yeah - it's quite a strange format.
We've got a good draw, missing both England and South Africa (though it would have been great in hindsight if that recent series vs England had counted).
If we win here, we'll have a win, a loss and a draw. But home series vs Pakistan and the Windies to come, and we'd be strong favourites in those - plus a winnable series in Bangladesh. Win all those series and we end up with 4 wins a draw and a loss.
India odds on to lose in Oz, plus losing to us is two losses.
England has a win vs SA and a draw with Oz, but still has to go to India and Sri Lanka.
Oz has two wins and a draw - home series vs India to come, plus away vs the Bangles and SA. I've got them as favourites to win all of those, but you never know.
On top of this is the vagaries of points accumulated in individual series, but I think the overall series won, drawn, lost is a decent indicator.
I don't see how the Test Championship is any more meaningful than the world rankings when you throw in those sorts of anomalies. By rights, it should be less meaningful than being world number one.
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@Cyclops said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
@Godder said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
A spinner would have to replace Southee (when he retires) or CdG, and that would be by outbatting and outbowling him - Santner couldn't do it, so it might be a long wait.
If Jamieson's batting is as good as its looked so far in his career then he can potentially take over de Grandhomme's allrounder spot, making it easier to fit in a spinner.
De Grandhomme has been bizzare in that he never quite looks like he belongs in test cricket when you watch him bowl gentle medium pace or swatting violently at bowlers, but yet his numbers show that he's been successful. Some padding against the minnows for sure but his bowling has been threatening against almost every team in most conditions.
Even then, no spinners have been close to CdG in terms of stats. Would also like to see Jamieson score a century or two before I consider him ready to replace CdG.
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@hydro11 said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
@Chris-B said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
@nzzp Yeah - it's quite a strange format.
We've got a good draw, missing both England and South Africa (though it would have been great in hindsight if that recent series vs England had counted).
If we win here, we'll have a win, a loss and a draw. But home series vs Pakistan and the Windies to come, and we'd be strong favourites in those - plus a winnable series in Bangladesh. Win all those series and we end up with 4 wins a draw and a loss.
India odds on to lose in Oz, plus losing to us is two losses.
England has a win vs SA and a draw with Oz, but still has to go to India and Sri Lanka.
Oz has two wins and a draw - home series vs India to come, plus away vs the Bangles and SA. I've got them as favourites to win all of those, but you never know.
On top of this is the vagaries of points accumulated in individual series, but I think the overall series won, drawn, lost is a decent indicator.
I don't see how the Test Championship is any more meaningful than the world rankings when you throw in those sorts of anomalies. By rights, it should be less meaningful than being world number one.
world rankings don't apparently allow you to host a money making match somewhere and fly in the executive.
also, playing a final at Lords? You can get to No 1 by being India, and then have to play in foreign conditions. It's a boondoggle; Number 1 should host ...
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@hydro11 said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
I don't see how the Test Championship is any more meaningful than the world rankings when you throw in those sorts of anomalies. By rights, it should be less meaningful than being world number one.
It's early days and might become more meaningful over time once the administrators get to grips with the anomalies. This is more likely to happen if we make the final and India doesn't, so we're doing everyone a favour if we can get there.
Since it's a thing we might as well be in to win!
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@Gunner said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
When do we start to question Henry Nichols’ place in the side?
I don’t have the stats to back this up, but it seems he hasn’t scored any test runs for 12 months or so.
Maybe when Devon Conway becomes available?
I think you're right that Henry owes us some runs, but I think the jump from first class cricket to being in a team high in the test rankings is pretty huge, so I doubt he's under much threat.
I'm also inclined to think that a big part of our relative success in recent times has been deciding who our best players are and sticking with them regardless of the vagaries of form. Occasionally that has meant we've stuck with a few guys probably longer than we should have - perhaps Rutherford, Fulton, Santner - but, it's meant we've avoided rotating in a bunch of inferior players and destroying everyone's confidence.
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@Gunner said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
When do we start to question Henry Nichols’ place in the side?
I don’t have the stats to back this up, but it seems he hasn’t scored any test runs for 12 months or so.
Yep, hasn't scored a 50 in 12 months. He has had some time consuming innings though which I guess is a role. Would be nice to add some numbers to it though.
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@Crucial said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
@Gunner said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
When do we start to question Henry Nichols’ place in the side?
I don’t have the stats to back this up, but it seems he hasn’t scored any test runs for 12 months or so.
Yep, hasn't scored a 50 in 12 months. He has had some time consuming innings though which I guess is a role. Would be nice to add some numbers to it though.
What replacement options do we have(real question)? He needs to feel pressure for his position, we can't afford to carry passengers
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@canefan said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
@Crucial said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
@Gunner said in Indian Cricket Tour of NZ 2020:
When do we start to question Henry Nichols’ place in the side?
I don’t have the stats to back this up, but it seems he hasn’t scored any test runs for 12 months or so.
Yep, hasn't scored a 50 in 12 months. He has had some time consuming innings though which I guess is a role. Would be nice to add some numbers to it though.
What replacement options do we have(real question)? He needs to feel pressure for his position, we can't afford to carry passengers
That tall fella is a handy batsman.
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@canefan Right now, first cab off the rank is Mitch Jr.
Will Young is back playing some cricket, but I haven't watched how he's going and, as above, Conway will be available soon.
But, on the other hand, Rossco is having his 36th birthday later this week, so I doubt we should be thinking about discarding the guy who's been substantially groomed to take over the number 4 spot. Plus - Henry made decent runs in the ODIs vs India, so he's hopefully been finding ways to get out rather than suddenly become useless.
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7 down!!
