Stadium of Canterbury
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The concert hosting thing is a particularly intriguing one, and an absolute sham as part of a business case. Why? Because part of it is about the economic benefits to Christchurch of drawings acts (in lieu of Dunedin). Dunedin does so well out of concerts because so many people travel from Christchurch. They're filling hotel and motel rooms, and spending up on hospitality simply because there's no other option. What happens if and when Ed Sheeran comes to Chch? The vast majority of the crowd will be locals who will car pool to the gig, have a couple of drinks and a pottle of chips, then drive home again. And this happens how often? Every couple of years? So this part of it is garbage. Compare that to 40k rugby fans at a Tier 1 AB test on the hoon before and after a game, pretty much annually. Which is more beneficial??
This is garbage.
Concerts are a crucial part of making a/the stadium viable, and it's at no compromise to the stadium design. (Concerts don't turn stadiums into multi-use ovals etc like Wellington)
Christ, where to begin, none of your post makes any sense.
- a concert every couple of years?
- local concert goers are car-poolers and chip pottle eaters as opposed to go-large local rugby watchers?
- the 500k non-Christchurch South Islanders (plus Wellingtonians) wouldn't make up large proportions of large acts visiting Christchurch and Auckland only?
From wiki:
Concerts:
The stadium has hosted musical performances by international artists starting with Elton John in November 2011. Other notable acts to have performed at the stadium include Macklemore (2013), Aerosmith (2013),[29] Paul Simon (2013), Tinie Tempah (2014), Rod Stewart (2015), Neil Diamond (2015), Fleetwood Mac (2015), Black Sabbath (2016), Stevie Nicks (2017), Roger Waters (2018), Robbie Williams (2018), and Ed Sheeran (2018). It also hosted Kendrick Lamar, Shania Twain, and P!nk during 2018. Fleetwood Mac and Elton John are both due to play the venue for a second time during 2019–20. Queen + Adam Lambert will perform at the stadium on 10 February 2020 as part of The Rhapsody Tour.Ed Sheeran's three concerts during his 2018 tour set a new record for concerts in Dunedin, pulling in an audience between them of 108,000 people,[30] with almost 70,000 of those attending coming from outside the city.
Dunedin had 3 Ed Sheeran concerts over 3 consecutive nights, They've only hosted 6 All Blacks tests in the 9 years since it was constructed.
@Rapido you have no idea what you're fucken talking about. Do you think Chch will get every gig that currently goes to Dunedin? You're insane. FBS offers a deal which the CCC would have to match, and even then its very debatable what would happen. And you don't think if Chch had a large, state of the art stadium that we'd have a Tier 1 AB test most years if not every year?! Of course we would. All the historical Dunedin stats you're spouting are themselves garbage in an environment in which Chch has a new stadium. The thing they're going to build simply won't get all of those Dunedin gigs. And if they ran with something closer to my idea then Chch would certainly get more AB tests than Dunedin, and a higher level of opposition more often.
To try and deny that a huge proportion of any Dunedin concert crowd is from Chch and in the same breath say that a Chch gig would be heavily patronised by other South Islanders, is ludicrous as it ignores the 400,000 or so Cantabrians that would be more interested in a local gig than the trauma of going to Dunedin (transport, accommodation etc). It makes absolute sense that a concert in a centre with that population is going to attract a vastly larger crowd of locals than a concert in a city with fewer more than 100,000. So the benefit to the region of said gigs is drastically less than it is to Dunedin. I was a little tongue in cheek re the car pooling but who in their right mind thinks a concert with 30,000 in attendance is going to have a greater economic benefit in terms of hospitality spend than a tier 1 AB test attracting 40,000, or even just 30,000 also? Plus tests are guaranteed to be on a Saturday night whereas your Macklemore or Fleetwood Mac gig could be a bloody Tuesday! And there will be plenty of car pooling on a weeknight, guaranteed!
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@Rapido you have no idea what you're fucken talking about. Do you think Chch will get every gig that currently goes to Dunedin? You're insane. FBS offers a deal which the CCC would have to match, and even then its very debatable what would happen. And you don't think if Chch had a large, state of the art stadium that we'd have a Tier 1 AB test most years if not every year?! Of course we would. All the historical Dunedin stats you're spouting are themselves garbage in an environment in which Chch has a new stadium. The thing they're going to build simply won't get all of those Dunedin gigs. And if they ran with something closer to my idea then Chch would certainly get more AB tests than Dunedin, and a higher level of opposition more often.
To try and deny that a huge proportion of any Dunedin concert crowd is from Chch and in the same breath say that a Chch gig would be heavily patronised by other South Islanders, is ludicrous as it ignores the 400,000 or so Cantabrians that would be more interested in a local gig than the trauma of going to Dunedin (transport, accommodation etc). It makes absolute sense that a concert in a centre with that population is going to attract a vastly larger crowd of locals than a concert in a city with fewer more than 100,000. So the benefit to the region of said gigs is drastically less than it is to Dunedin. I was a little tongue in cheek re the car pooling but who in their right mind thinks a concert with 30,000 in attendance is going to have a greater economic benefit in terms of hospitality spend than a tier 1 AB test attracting 40,000, or even just 30,000 also? Plus tests are guaranteed to be on a Saturday night whereas your Macklemore or Fleetwood Mac gig could be a bloody Tuesday! And there will be plenty of car pooling on a weeknight, guaranteed!
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Rapido you have no idea what you're fucken talking about.
Stop ya right there fella.
Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight. Wrong about pretty much everything.
@nzzp said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Rapido you have no idea what you're fucken talking about.
Stop ya right there fella.
Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight. Wrong about pretty much everything.
Haha which one of us, or both??
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There are still issues with the sound quality for concerts at FBS so they better get that right in their Chch stadium design. Otherwise, they are compromising capacity to attract tier 1 tests for the comfort of a roof.
Auckland's largest concert venue (Mt Smart) doesn't have a roof but the sound is always very good as it is an open-air venue. Spark Arena is still very hit and miss.
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@nzzp said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Rapido you have no idea what you're fucken talking about.
Stop ya right there fella.
Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight. Wrong about pretty much everything.
Haha which one of us, or both??
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@nzzp said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Rapido you have no idea what you're fucken talking about.
Stop ya right there fella.
Awful analysis, incorrect conclusions, zero insight. Wrong about pretty much everything.
Haha which one of us, or both??
All of us!
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There are still issues with the sound quality for concerts at FBS so they better get that right in their Chch stadium design. Otherwise, they are compromising capacity to attract tier 1 tests for the comfort of a roof.
Auckland's largest concert venue (Mt Smart) doesn't have a roof but the sound is always very good as it is an open-air venue. Spark Arena is still very hit and miss.
@Bovidae said in Stadium of Canterbury:
There are still issues with the sound quality for concerts at FBS so they better get that right in their Chch stadium design. Otherwise, they are compromising capacity to attract tier 1 tests for the comfort of a roof.
Auckland's largest concert venue (Mt Smart) doesn't have a roof but the sound is always very good as it is an open-air venue. Spark Arena is still very hit and miss.
All stadium concerts are shit sound really, doesn't matter. Sheep want the 'event'.
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@Bovidae said in Stadium of Canterbury:
There are still issues with the sound quality for concerts at FBS so they better get that right in their Chch stadium design. Otherwise, they are compromising capacity to attract tier 1 tests for the comfort of a roof.
Auckland's largest concert venue (Mt Smart) doesn't have a roof but the sound is always very good as it is an open-air venue. Spark Arena is still very hit and miss.
All stadium concerts are shit sound really, doesn't matter. Sheep want the 'event'.
@Rapido said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Bovidae said in Stadium of Canterbury:
There are still issues with the sound quality for concerts at FBS so they better get that right in their Chch stadium design. Otherwise, they are compromising capacity to attract tier 1 tests for the comfort of a roof.
Auckland's largest concert venue (Mt Smart) doesn't have a roof but the sound is always very good as it is an open-air venue. Spark Arena is still very hit and miss.
All stadium concerts are shit sound really, doesn't matter.
A guy I know is a sound engineer and he said it's incredibly difficult to get the sound acceptably good for all the patrons at a big concert.
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@Bovidae said in Stadium of Canterbury:
There are still issues with the sound quality for concerts at FBS so they better get that right in their Chch stadium design. Otherwise, they are compromising capacity to attract tier 1 tests for the comfort of a roof.
Auckland's largest concert venue (Mt Smart) doesn't have a roof but the sound is always very good as it is an open-air venue. Spark Arena is still very hit and miss.
All stadium concerts are shit sound really, doesn't matter. Sheep want the 'event'.
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@Rapido said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Bovidae said in Stadium of Canterbury:
There are still issues with the sound quality for concerts at FBS so they better get that right in their Chch stadium design. Otherwise, they are compromising capacity to attract tier 1 tests for the comfort of a roof.
Auckland's largest concert venue (Mt Smart) doesn't have a roof but the sound is always very good as it is an open-air venue. Spark Arena is still very hit and miss.
All stadium concerts are shit sound really, doesn't matter.
A guy I know is a sound engineer and he said it's incredibly difficult to get the sound acceptably good for all the patrons at a big concert.
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
A guy I know is a sound engineer and he said it's incredibly difficult to get the sound acceptably good for all the patrons at a big concert.
The design and shape of the roof will be important to minimise any sound problems. As someone who goes to a lot of concerts I am more critical than the sheep.
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@Rapido you have no idea what you're fucken talking about. Do you think Chch will get every gig that currently goes to Dunedin? You're insane. FBS offers a deal which the CCC would have to match, and even then its very debatable what would happen. And you don't think if Chch had a large, state of the art stadium that we'd have a Tier 1 AB test most years if not every year?! Of course we would. All the historical Dunedin stats you're spouting are themselves garbage in an environment in which Chch has a new stadium. The thing they're going to build simply won't get all of those Dunedin gigs. And if they ran with something closer to my idea then Chch would certainly get more AB tests than Dunedin, and a higher level of opposition more often.
To try and deny that a huge proportion of any Dunedin concert crowd is from Chch and in the same breath say that a Chch gig would be heavily patronised by other South Islanders, is ludicrous as it ignores the 400,000 or so Cantabrians that would be more interested in a local gig than the trauma of going to Dunedin (transport, accommodation etc). It makes absolute sense that a concert in a centre with that population is going to attract a vastly larger crowd of locals than a concert in a city with fewer more than 100,000. So the benefit to the region of said gigs is drastically less than it is to Dunedin. I was a little tongue in cheek re the car pooling but who in their right mind thinks a concert with 30,000 in attendance is going to have a greater economic benefit in terms of hospitality spend than a tier 1 AB test attracting 40,000, or even just 30,000 also? Plus tests are guaranteed to be on a Saturday night whereas your Macklemore or Fleetwood Mac gig could be a bloody Tuesday! And there will be plenty of car pooling on a weeknight, guaranteed!
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Rapido you have no idea what you're fucken talking about. Do you think Chch will get every gig that currently goes to Dunedin? You're insane. FBS offers a deal which the CCC would have to match, and even then its very debatable what would happen. And you don't think if Chch had a large, state of the art stadium that we'd have a Tier 1 AB test most years if not every year?! Of course we would. All the historical Dunedin stats you're spouting are themselves garbage in an environment in which Chch has a new stadium. The thing they're going to build simply won't get all of those Dunedin gigs. And if they ran with something closer to my idea then Chch would certainly get more AB tests than Dunedin, and a higher level of opposition more often.
To try and deny that a huge proportion of any Dunedin concert crowd is from Chch and in the same breath say that a Chch gig would be heavily patronised by other South Islanders, is ludicrous as it ignores the 400,000 or so Cantabrians that would be more interested in a local gig than the trauma of going to Dunedin (transport, accommodation etc). It makes absolute sense that a concert in a centre with that population is going to attract a vastly larger crowd of locals than a concert in a city with fewer more than 100,000. So the benefit to the region of said gigs is drastically less than it is to Dunedin. I was a little tongue in cheek re the car pooling but who in their right mind thinks a concert with 30,000 in attendance is going to have a greater economic benefit in terms of hospitality spend than a tier 1 AB test attracting 40,000, or even just 30,000 also? Plus tests are guaranteed to be on a Saturday night whereas your Macklemore or Fleetwood Mac gig could be a bloody Tuesday! And there will be plenty of car pooling on a weeknight, guaranteed!
Yes, if Chch stadium is roofed, I think Chch will get 95% of all gigs that are currently going to Forsyth Barr.
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Rapido you have no idea what you're fucken talking about. Do you think Chch will get every gig that currently goes to Dunedin? You're insane. FBS offers a deal which the CCC would have to match, and even then its very debatable what would happen. And you don't think if Chch had a large, state of the art stadium that we'd have a Tier 1 AB test most years if not every year?! Of course we would. All the historical Dunedin stats you're spouting are themselves garbage in an environment in which Chch has a new stadium. The thing they're going to build simply won't get all of those Dunedin gigs. And if they ran with something closer to my idea then Chch would certainly get more AB tests than Dunedin, and a higher level of opposition more often.
To try and deny that a huge proportion of any Dunedin concert crowd is from Chch and in the same breath say that a Chch gig would be heavily patronised by other South Islanders, is ludicrous as it ignores the 400,000 or so Cantabrians that would be more interested in a local gig than the trauma of going to Dunedin (transport, accommodation etc). It makes absolute sense that a concert in a centre with that population is going to attract a vastly larger crowd of locals than a concert in a city with fewer more than 100,000. So the benefit to the region of said gigs is drastically less than it is to Dunedin. I was a little tongue in cheek re the car pooling but who in their right mind thinks a concert with 30,000 in attendance is going to have a greater economic benefit in terms of hospitality spend than a tier 1 AB test attracting 40,000, or even just 30,000 also? Plus tests are guaranteed to be on a Saturday night whereas your Macklemore or Fleetwood Mac gig could be a bloody Tuesday! And there will be plenty of car pooling on a weeknight, guaranteed!
Yes, if Chch stadium is roofed, I think Chch will get 95% of all gigs that are currently going to Forsyth Barr.
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@Rapido Well it's going to have a roof, so we'll see. Even if Chch does get all the gigs, I still vehemently disagree with the concept and design.
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Rapido Well it's going to have a roof, so we'll see. Even if Chch does get all the gigs, I still vehemently disagree with the concept and design.
Just out of curiosity, and I’m kind of on your train of thought here, why is it such a big deal?
In terms of living life why does it matter if you miss out on a ticket to a live rugby game? I don’t get the angst.
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Rapido Well it's going to have a roof, so we'll see. Even if Chch does get all the gigs, I still vehemently disagree with the concept and design.
Just out of curiosity, and I’m kind of on your train of thought here, why is it such a big deal?
In terms of living life why does it matter if you miss out on a ticket to a live rugby game? I don’t get the angst.
@Hooroo My problem with the design is that it's a knee-jerk reaction to an out of context concert argument, it's drastically under-sized, will be far from easy on the eye, and has been allowed to slip through on the back of the pro-MUA politicians taking advantage of our absolute disdain for the temporary dump we have had since 2012. People in general have blindly gone along with the idea that a roofed arena is the only way forward. I think punters think it's gonna look really cool, be state of the art and they'll be able to choose between Billy Joel and Pink every week. Most also mistakenly believe that this arena will bring the All Blacks back consistently, and it might get us a test most years, but not Tier 1, and there are no guarantees of an annual game at all when competing at the same level as FBS, Waikato, Albany and even Napier.
Mark my words: most of the all-too-trusting passive bystanders now, will be up in arms when they see how little we get for $500m and how dysfunctional it is. By the end of this decade there'll already be talk of a larger open arena being required. Sadly, the conversation about that option never went anywhere. I'm yet to be told by anybody where to find the feasibility study into anything other than the MUA.
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Does anybody know how much of the cost is earthquake proofing?
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https://www.otakaroltd.co.nz/anchor-projects/stadium/
The pre-feasibility study is there. Turns out the main reason for a roof is because Canterbury Rugby wanted one although it will also help with concerts. Would be another $120 million or so for 30,000 permanent seats + temp seating. Not sure that will make any difference to getting tests - we're only ever going to get 1 per season because any spares will be in Auckland.
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https://www.otakaroltd.co.nz/anchor-projects/stadium/
The pre-feasibility study is there. Turns out the main reason for a roof is because Canterbury Rugby wanted one although it will also help with concerts. Would be another $120 million or so for 30,000 permanent seats + temp seating. Not sure that will make any difference to getting tests - we're only ever going to get 1 per season because any spares will be in Auckland.
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@Godder Thats a pre-feasibility study of MUA options. Where is any work that was done on a larger, open stadium with some bells and whistles?
Page 49 btw. They're already failing on several counts.
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@shark I think an open stadium was a dead duck when cricket left and rugby said they wanted a roof.
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The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
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The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
