Stadium of Canterbury
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https://www.otakaroltd.co.nz/anchor-projects/stadium/
The pre-feasibility study is there. Turns out the main reason for a roof is because Canterbury Rugby wanted one although it will also help with concerts. Would be another $120 million or so for 30,000 permanent seats + temp seating. Not sure that will make any difference to getting tests - we're only ever going to get 1 per season because any spares will be in Auckland.
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@Godder Thats a pre-feasibility study of MUA options. Where is any work that was done on a larger, open stadium with some bells and whistles?
Page 49 btw. They're already failing on several counts.
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@shark I think an open stadium was a dead duck when cricket left and rugby said they wanted a roof.
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The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
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The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
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@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
You can see the future now though as it will be built as described and the demand for a ticket in the first few weeks will be high due to it being new and those that miss out will scream blue murder for not building a bigger stadium and then after a few weeks they won't sell out.
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@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
You can see the future now though as it will be built as described and the demand for a ticket in the first few weeks will be high due to it being new and those that miss out will scream blue murder for not building a bigger stadium and then after a few weeks they won't sell out.
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@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
You can see the future now though as it will be built as described and the demand for a ticket in the first few weeks will be high due to it being new and those that miss out will scream blue murder for not building a bigger stadium and then after a few weeks they won't sell out.
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
You can see the future now though as it will be built as described and the demand for a ticket in the first few weeks will be high due to it being new and those that miss out will scream blue murder for not building a bigger stadium and then after a few weeks they won't sell out.
And that's the thing. I go to the footy to see the game - and I don't give a passing thought to whether the stadium is cool or not. In the end you end up sitting in a plastic seat with fuck all leg room.
Might be a bit of a wild thought, but from what I've seen, one of the real growth areas is E-Sports. I saw some footage of some sort of World Championship of Fortnite and the place looked nearly sold out. Presumably a roof would be handy for those sorts of events.
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this was interesting. Average 5 year attendance is 12,000. That includes finals games of course, that drag up the numbers.
@nzzp said in Stadium of Canterbury:
this was interesting. Average 5 year attendance is 12,000. That includes finals games of course, that drag up the numbers.
And this is in an absolute dump of a facility, taking into account also the utter boring Smallbladder style we played through 2015 & 16.
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@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
Have you been to Orange Theory stadium, especially at the time of year finals are played? Exposed all the way around the ground, exposed in the stands, view blocked by structural posts, the least space available I've ever encountered in any stadium seat, in your big jacket next to your mate in his big jacket?
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@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
Have you been to Orange Theory stadium, especially at the time of year finals are played? Exposed all the way around the ground, exposed in the stands, view blocked by structural posts, the least space available I've ever encountered in any stadium seat, in your big jacket next to your mate in his big jacket?
@shark that sounds like a terrible theory
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@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
Have you been to Orange Theory stadium, especially at the time of year finals are played? Exposed all the way around the ground, exposed in the stands, view blocked by structural posts, the least space available I've ever encountered in any stadium seat, in your big jacket next to your mate in his big jacket?
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
Have you been to Orange Theory stadium, especially at the time of year finals are played? Exposed all the way around the ground, exposed in the stands, view blocked by structural posts, the least space available I've ever encountered in any stadium seat, in your big jacket next to your mate in his big jacket?
Don't forget the temperature/wind chill and dewy/wet ground during night games (factors a covered stadium help solve).
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@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
Have you been to Orange Theory stadium, especially at the time of year finals are played? Exposed all the way around the ground, exposed in the stands, view blocked by structural posts, the least space available I've ever encountered in any stadium seat, in your big jacket next to your mate in his big jacket?
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
Have you been to Orange Theory stadium, especially at the time of year finals are played? Exposed all the way around the ground, exposed in the stands, view blocked by structural posts, the least space available I've ever encountered in any stadium seat, in your big jacket next to your mate in his big jacket?
Sounds though if it had a roof, it would have been perfect
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@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
Have you been to Orange Theory stadium, especially at the time of year finals are played? Exposed all the way around the ground, exposed in the stands, view blocked by structural posts, the least space available I've ever encountered in any stadium seat, in your big jacket next to your mate in his big jacket?
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
Have you been to Orange Theory stadium, especially at the time of year finals are played? Exposed all the way around the ground, exposed in the stands, view blocked by structural posts, the least space available I've ever encountered in any stadium seat, in your big jacket next to your mate in his big jacket?
Maybe build a stadium with a roof?
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
Have you been to Orange Theory stadium, especially at the time of year finals are played? Exposed all the way around the ground, exposed in the stands, view blocked by structural posts, the least space available I've ever encountered in any stadium seat, in your big jacket next to your mate in his big jacket?
Maybe build a stadium with a roof?
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@booboo Yes. And let's make it drastically under-sized, fit for fuck all and ugly as sin.
I'm not really understanding why you need a big stadium to sell out once a year. Less and less people are going to sporting events in NZ
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@booboo Yes. And let's make it drastically under-sized, fit for fuck all and ugly as sin.
I'm not really understanding why you need a big stadium to sell out once a year. Less and less people are going to sporting events in NZ
@Hooroo The regional population is predicted to more or less double by 2050. That makes it undersized. The budget was originally $500m. That shrunk to $475m around 18 months ago. Feasibility studies and beurocracy have further eaten into the $475m. Add in inflation and the fact that we are at least six months away from having something that can even be priced properly, and the project becomes less and less achievable and lessens in quality. Already a general design change in order to cut costs has done away with a planned upper concourse. There's no way in hell this thing isn't either shrinking yet again, or becoming yet more basic. This all makes it less than fit for purpose and potentially an eyesore.
But $470m or so can build us a Bankwest Stadium, with upgrades.
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@Hooroo The regional population is predicted to more or less double by 2050. That makes it undersized. The budget was originally $500m. That shrunk to $475m around 18 months ago. Feasibility studies and beurocracy have further eaten into the $475m. Add in inflation and the fact that we are at least six months away from having something that can even be priced properly, and the project becomes less and less achievable and lessens in quality. Already a general design change in order to cut costs has done away with a planned upper concourse. There's no way in hell this thing isn't either shrinking yet again, or becoming yet more basic. This all makes it less than fit for purpose and potentially an eyesore.
But $470m or so can build us a Bankwest Stadium, with upgrades.
@shark I think a lot of the cost is ground improvement work, looking at the uncovered options. That changes the equation somewhat - if you start with the thick end of $200M in the ground (based on the options presented), then the differentials between small/large/roofed/nonroofed/luxury change somewhat.
