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@MN5 Gunner seems to think Southee is beyond reproach. He's not. I'm just balancing the argument.
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@Gunner said in Other Cricket 2020:
@shark those are outstanding numbers over a 12 year period. What the fuck does the guy have to do to get some much deserved recognition for what he’s achieved?
You could pick any bowler that has ever played a test and lay claims to why they’re shit and why their stats don’t tell the whole picture.
Jog on pal.
He barely averages under 30, FFS. Open your blinkers: Southee is servicable but he isn't, and never has been, a genuine stike bowler. In 136 bowling innings he's taken five wickets or more just ten times. One ten-for in his entire career. It'd be interesting to see who those hauls were against, and the match results. And that's the good stuff.
The really negative stuff is his batting, which has attracted plenty of attention over the years and has had enough criticism already. I don't need to add to it, suffice to say Blind Freddie knows he's one of the most selfish and careless batsmen NZ has ever seen. Luckily, he's not there for that.
And the real nadir of his career are the various rumours that have followed him around. From his tour behaviour, specifically his reputation as an icorrigible 'swordsman' - by all accounts on par with the kind of behaviour which saw opening batsman Matthew Elliott axed from the Australian team after an Ashes tour in the 90s - to the rumour that he made himself unavailable for the third test in Sydney earlier this year after being told Tom Latham would be the skipper. The former apparently created a division in the team between those who thought his prolific rooting was ok, and those who felt it was wrong or potentially reputationally damaging for the NZ team.
@shark said in Other Cricket 2020:
He barely averages under 30, FFS. Open your blinkers: Southee is servicable but he isn't, and never has been, a genuine stike bowler.
He's Simon Doull, basically. Good in swinging conditions, but otherwise middle of the road. Not bad by any stretch, but firmly in the solid journeyman category.
Interestingly, though, only slightly worse than Jimmy Anderson (who has longevity on his side for sure).
https://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/232364.html
https://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/36835.html
https://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/8608.html
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Possibly a nickname/sledge that's been around for ages, but I saw one of the Aussie Facebook cricket pages referring to "Jimmy Clouderson" for the first time last week. Overly harsh, but they take no prisoners across the ditch.
I'm not a noted fan of Southee. But I'm still shaking my head at opening the bowling at the SCG with Henry and CdG in our first ever Test match back there since 1683...
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remember at the start of his career, when Jimmy Anderson was pretty average? It seemed the only guy he got wickets against was us. He got better and better though. His seam release is almost perfect these days, what a swing bowler.
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remember at the start of his career, when Jimmy Anderson was pretty average? It seemed the only guy he got wickets against was us. He got better and better though. His seam release is almost perfect these days, what a swing bowler.
@mariner4life He's someone who'll be appreciated more when he retires. Prboably the best swing bowler the game has ever seen, both with the duke and kookaburra.
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@mariner4life He's someone who'll be appreciated more when he retires. Prboably the best swing bowler the game has ever seen, both with the duke and kookaburra.
@African-Monkey said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life He's someone who'll be appreciated more when he retires. Prboably the best swing bowler the game has ever seen, both with the duke and kookaburra.
I'll take Wasim Akram
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@African-Monkey said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life He's someone who'll be appreciated more when he retires. Prboably the best swing bowler the game has ever seen, both with the duke and kookaburra.
I'll take Wasim Akram
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket 2020:
@African-Monkey said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life He's someone who'll be appreciated more when he retires. Prboably the best swing bowler the game has ever seen, both with the duke and kookaburra.
I'll take Wasim Akram
Bloody hell, I still have nightmares of sitting on the couch in the mid 90s when NZ were chasing a hundred odd to win and him and Waqar got five each. What a pair they were.
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket 2020:
@African-Monkey said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life He's someone who'll be appreciated more when he retires. Prboably the best swing bowler the game has ever seen, both with the duke and kookaburra.
I'll take Wasim Akram
Bloody hell, I still have nightmares of sitting on the couch in the mid 90s when NZ were chasing a hundred odd to win and him and Waqar got five each. What a pair they were.
@MN5 said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket 2020:
@African-Monkey said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life He's someone who'll be appreciated more when he retires. Prboably the best swing bowler the game has ever seen, both with the duke and kookaburra.
I'll take Wasim Akram
Bloody hell, I still have nightmares of sitting on the couch in the mid 90s when NZ were chasing a hundred odd to win and him and Waqar got five each. What a pair they were.
felt like they came every summer for a while, to get a hundred wickets each.
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@MN5 said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket 2020:
@African-Monkey said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life He's someone who'll be appreciated more when he retires. Prboably the best swing bowler the game has ever seen, both with the duke and kookaburra.
I'll take Wasim Akram
Bloody hell, I still have nightmares of sitting on the couch in the mid 90s when NZ were chasing a hundred odd to win and him and Waqar got five each. What a pair they were.
felt like they came every summer for a while, to get a hundred wickets each.
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket 2020:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket 2020:
@African-Monkey said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life He's someone who'll be appreciated more when he retires. Prboably the best swing bowler the game has ever seen, both with the duke and kookaburra.
I'll take Wasim Akram
Bloody hell, I still have nightmares of sitting on the couch in the mid 90s when NZ were chasing a hundred odd to win and him and Waqar got five each. What a pair they were.
felt like they came every summer for a while, to get a hundred wickets each.
Regularly taking such mighty scalps as Rod Latham, Shane Thomson, Ken Rutherford and the two Blairs.......( MN5 shudders at the state of NZ cricket in the mid 90s )
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket 2020:
@African-Monkey said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life He's someone who'll be appreciated more when he retires. Prboably the best swing bowler the game has ever seen, both with the duke and kookaburra.
I'll take Wasim Akram
Bloody hell, I still have nightmares of sitting on the couch in the mid 90s when NZ were chasing a hundred odd to win and him and Waqar got five each. What a pair they were.
@MN5 said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket 2020:
I'll take Wasim Akram
Bloody hell, I still have nightmares of sitting on the couch in the mid 90s when NZ were chasing a hundred odd to win and him and Waqar got five each. What a pair they were.
So how do you think those of us at Seddon Park felt?
Wasim is my favourite fast bowler.
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@African-Monkey said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life He's someone who'll be appreciated more when he retires. Prboably the best swing bowler the game has ever seen, both with the duke and kookaburra.
I'll take Wasim Akram
@mariner4life Yeah, no comeback there, I conveniently forgot about him.
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@mariner4life Yeah, no comeback there, I conveniently forgot about him.
@African-Monkey said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life Yeah, no comeback there, I conveniently forgot about him.
most batsmen from the 90s would like to do the same
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@shark said in Other Cricket 2020:
@MN5 Gunner seems to think Southee is beyond reproach. He's not. I'm just balancing the argument.
How is it up there on that high horse?
@Gunner said in Other Cricket 2020:
@shark said in Other Cricket 2020:
@MN5 Gunner seems to think Southee is beyond reproach. He's not. I'm just balancing the argument.
How is it up there on that high horse?
Good, Tim's Dad.
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@MN5 said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket 2020:
I'll take Wasim Akram
Bloody hell, I still have nightmares of sitting on the couch in the mid 90s when NZ were chasing a hundred odd to win and him and Waqar got five each. What a pair they were.
So how do you think those of us at Seddon Park felt?
Wasim is my favourite fast bowler.
@Bovidae said in Other Cricket 2020:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket 2020:
I'll take Wasim Akram
Bloody hell, I still have nightmares of sitting on the couch in the mid 90s when NZ were chasing a hundred odd to win and him and Waqar got five each. What a pair they were.
So how do you think those of us at Seddon Park felt?
Wasim is my favourite fast bowler.
guaranteed nightmare test for me...i still get queasy about that last innings.
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Womens cricket is pretty rubbish viewing. If they think putting womens cricket on TV will bring eyeballs.. he is kidding himself. The product just isnt good.
""We're very, very focused on making sure we've had a very strong lineup of women's content on Spark Sport because we think that's a terrific opportunity."
Happy to let ratings decide? Yeah I bet not.
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Womens cricket is pretty rubbish viewing. If they think putting womens cricket on TV will bring eyeballs.. he is kidding himself. The product just isnt good.
""We're very, very focused on making sure we've had a very strong lineup of women's content on Spark Sport because we think that's a terrific opportunity."
Happy to let ratings decide? Yeah I bet not.
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Other Cricket 2020:
Womens cricket is pretty rubbish viewing. If they think putting womens cricket on TV will bring eyeballs.. he is kidding himself. The product just isnt good.
""We're very, very focused on making sure we've had a very strong lineup of women's content on Spark Sport because we think that's a terrific opportunity."
Happy to let ratings decide? Yeah I bet not.
If it was the only cricket/sprt on, I would watch it in a heartbeat. Would even pay for Sky Sports again
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Other Cricket 2020:
Womens cricket is pretty rubbish viewing. If they think putting womens cricket on TV will bring eyeballs.. he is kidding himself. The product just isnt good.
""We're very, very focused on making sure we've had a very strong lineup of women's content on Spark Sport because we think that's a terrific opportunity."
Happy to let ratings decide? Yeah I bet not.
If it was the only cricket/sprt on, I would watch it in a heartbeat. Would even pay for Sky Sports again
@Hooroo said in Other Cricket 2020:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Other Cricket 2020:
Womens cricket is pretty rubbish viewing. If they think putting womens cricket on TV will bring eyeballs.. he is kidding himself. The product just isnt good.
""We're very, very focused on making sure we've had a very strong lineup of women's content on Spark Sport because we think that's a terrific opportunity."
Happy to let ratings decide? Yeah I bet not.
If it was the only cricket/sprt on, I would watch it in a heartbeat. Would even pay for Sky Sports again
You realize they arent talking live cricket during the covid timeframe? You would watch competitive marbles at the moment.
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@Hooroo said in Other Cricket 2020:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Other Cricket 2020:
Womens cricket is pretty rubbish viewing. If they think putting womens cricket on TV will bring eyeballs.. he is kidding himself. The product just isnt good.
""We're very, very focused on making sure we've had a very strong lineup of women's content on Spark Sport because we think that's a terrific opportunity."
Happy to let ratings decide? Yeah I bet not.
If it was the only cricket/sprt on, I would watch it in a heartbeat. Would even pay for Sky Sports again
You realize they arent talking live cricket during the covid timeframe? You would watch competitive marbles at the moment.
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Other Cricket 2020:
@Hooroo said in Other Cricket 2020:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Other Cricket 2020:
Womens cricket is pretty rubbish viewing. If they think putting womens cricket on TV will bring eyeballs.. he is kidding himself. The product just isnt good.
""We're very, very focused on making sure we've had a very strong lineup of women's content on Spark Sport because we think that's a terrific opportunity."
Happy to let ratings decide? Yeah I bet not.
If it was the only cricket/sprt on, I would watch it in a heartbeat. Would even pay for Sky Sports again
Yo do realize they arent talking live cricket dont you? You would watch competitive marbles at the moment.
It's womens cricket, of course I didn't read the article, man!!
OK, that is a big no from me then. I assumed it was about live cricket.
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@Bovidae said in Other Cricket 2020:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket 2020:
I'll take Wasim Akram
Bloody hell, I still have nightmares of sitting on the couch in the mid 90s when NZ were chasing a hundred odd to win and him and Waqar got five each. What a pair they were.
So how do you think those of us at Seddon Park felt?
Wasim is my favourite fast bowler.
guaranteed nightmare test for me...i still get queasy about that last innings.
@SynicBast said in Other Cricket 2020:
@Bovidae said in Other Cricket 2020:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket 2020:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket 2020:
I'll take Wasim Akram
Bloody hell, I still have nightmares of sitting on the couch in the mid 90s when NZ were chasing a hundred odd to win and him and Waqar got five each. What a pair they were.
So how do you think those of us at Seddon Park felt?
Wasim is my favourite fast bowler.
guaranteed nightmare test for me...i still get queasy about that last innings.
They really did seem to visit every summer from memory......those were the days....now we alternate between powerhouses like Bangladesh and Sri Lanka ( minus Sangakara and Jayawardne )
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Not sure where to put this, but anyone else watching the BeIN Sports Cricket’s Greatest XI series. Hadn’t seen them. Pretty well put together.
1-Gavaskar
2-Gooch
3-Bradman
4-Tendulkar
5-Sobers
6-Kallis
7-Gilchrist
8-Khan
9-Warne
10-Akram
11-Holding
