Aussie Pro Rugby
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@NTA So do you think Castle should go?
Or are you more worried about the replacement?
I've always viewed Aussie rugby as a posh private school boys club. However, I'm different from most in that I don't necessarily see what is wrong with that. Society demographics are what they are, and they don't change because people say they should. SA game has taken huge strides in this, but last I saw, they were playing in front of crowds which measure in the 100's. And this despite being current world champs.
Is it better for Aussie to go back to this (or at least acknowledge thats all it really is and build off that), or keep trying with the different approach - which is what RC was brought into do, no?
Or do I have this all completely wrong?
@MajorRage said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA So do you think Castle should go?
Or are you more worried about the replacement?
I've always viewed Aussie rugby as a posh private school boys club. However, I'm different from most in that I don't necessarily see what is wrong with that. Society demographics are what they are, and they don't change because people say they should. SA game has taken huge strides in this, but last I saw, they were playing in front of crowds which measure in the 100's. And this despite being current world champs.
Is it better for Aussie to go back to this (or at least acknowledge thats all it really is and build off that), or keep trying with the different approach - which is what RC was brought into do, no?
Or do I have this all completely wrong?
"Wrong" is for hindsight
I think there is enough positive from Castle's time in the seat to persist for another year or two. Changing horses now would be no guarantee that things get better - and going back to someone like the previous idiot
mightEDIT: probably will just make it worse.The Board needs a broom through it before we can tell if it is the Executive or the Chair. First rule of fixing something: only move one part at a time or you never know where the problem really was.
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A notable absentee on that list is the most successful Wallaby captain and always a sensible voice amongst the dross - John Eales. What to make of that?
@Bovidae a sign of the character of the man! and possibly a more savvy operator who nudges from behind the scenes... if at all??
I think that open letter approach is shithouse - Castle ain't flash but she's been dealt several shitty hands since taking over. Sure her bluff over Izzy etc wasn't great, but Oz rugby has been in a state for a while and Rennie's appointment was a really big deal and the best thing to happen to their game in a long time.
Where were all these guys earlier on in the piece? maybe they were providing support etc but this just seems like they want to ditch Castle for a good ol boy.
@voodoo I'd give Kearns props (not hookers) if he addressed his 'tv persona' versus his business persona. Like @Chris-B I loathe his one-eyed, lynch mob commentary approach. He may well be a smart guy but he's got a loooong way to go to convince me of that lol (as if he gives a shit ha ha).
But I am interested in hearing his motivations around the role. Is he knowingly going into a thankless and hiding to nothing role to try and save the game? or does he think he's the (only?) guy that can right the ship?
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A notable absentee on that list is the most successful Wallaby captain and always a sensible voice amongst the dross - John Eales. What to make of that?
@Bovidae said in Aussie Rugby:
A notable absentee on that list is the most successful Wallaby captain and always a sensible voice amongst the dross - John Eales. What to make of that?
Well Eales has been on the RA Board for the best part of the decade so signing a letter calling for a sweep-out of leadership would be somewhat self-incriminating.
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The reasons for the current mess are many and varied. The issue I have with the signatories of that letter is that it once again makes the assumption that the fault for this rests with the current administration.
That is clearly not the case. Seeds were planted throughout the late 90s (with the initial CBA with RUPA which gave over too much cash to players), the 2000s (when we squandered the cash generated from the RWC) and the 2010s (where we let Super Rugby become a mess).
There's also a mistaken assumption that because we were successful in the late 90s/early 00s, that if we recreate the environment that allowed that success in 2020 then we will return to the glory days. Things like a 'strong grassroots' with players bleeding for their local clubs.
While some of these are nice to have, the core truth of the matter is our success was due to a rapid, efficient response to the game turning professional. While it took 10 years, the rest of the world caught up with us and now we sit roughly where we did before.
So when a crop of former players AGAIN come out and call for a change in CEO without any tangible ideas for improvement, I roll my eyes and so do many people like me.
Because under Castle we've actually seen a bit of progress. Our junior system is working and we have a great crop of youngsters coming through. We've signed key players to long-term deals. We've appointed a bloody good Wallaby coaching panel. We look like we've got a clear run to the line to get the 2027 World Cup.
The biggest problem that I can see is Super Rugby, and I am yet to see any viable solution that provides a better on-field product without losing tens of millions in TV $$. Until we have that I'm not sure we can start to turn things around at all levels of the game.
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@Bovidae said in Aussie Rugby:
A notable absentee on that list is the most successful Wallaby captain and always a sensible voice amongst the dross - John Eales. What to make of that?
Well Eales has been on the RA Board for the best part of the decade so signing a letter calling for a sweep-out of leadership would be somewhat self-incriminating.
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@barbarian I had no idea who was on the RA board so more an observation on my behalf.
Have any of those 11 been part of the previous admin too?
@Bovidae said in Aussie Rugby:
@barbarian I had no idea who was on the RA board so more an observation on my behalf.
Have any of those 11 been part of the previous admin too?
Nathan Sharpe was on the QRU Board from 2016-2019, only went to 4 of 9 Board Meetings.
Rod McCall was on the (then) ARU Board from 07-09, AND the Chair of the QRU.
George Gregan was on the ARU Board in 2012 and 2013.
Nick Farr-Jones was the Chairman of the NSWRU from 2010-2015.
Stirling Mortlock was on the Board of the Melbourne Rebels from 2013.
Poidevin, Kearns, Gregan, Mortlock, Lynagh and Sharpe have all held paid commentary gigs.
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An obvious question about pay for the players, how does a national rugby union pay them less if it causes more players to play professionally on Europe or Japan and the TV deal and sponsorship drop in value/revenue because the teams are less competitive.
It appears that the failure here is underestimating the effects of a pandemic - like many organisations, their BCPs are probably mostly predicated on regional disasters like the fires, or earthquakes in NZ.
To be fair, the total collapse of professional sport (no ticket sales or games at all, and the economic impact on sponsorship, advertising revenue and subscriptions which are used to fund professional sport) for a season was probably difficult to foresee, and keeping a season's worth of cash reserves separated from the normal reserves for the 4 year cycle is tough to convince people of the need for that until after it actually happens.
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I've also penned an open letter to the ARU today, emphasising some of the points made by our esteemed skippers:
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I've also penned an open letter to the ARU today, emphasising some of the points made by our esteemed skippers:
@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:
I've also penned an open letter to the ARU today, emphasising some of the points made by our esteemed skippers:
Haha I read that earlier - quality work!
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I've also penned an open letter to the ARU today, emphasising some of the points made by our esteemed skippers:
@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:
I've also penned an open letter to the ARU today, emphasising some of the points made by our esteemed skippers:
That was a great read, well done
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@MajorRage said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA , @barbarian - what's your thoughts on this?
On one hand, I see their point in that they used to have a lot more engagement with local "grassroots" clubs back in the day.
(I put the word in quotes because it means very different things to people in Australian Rugby, depending where you sit).
On the other hand, they can get fucked. Some of these guys played mostly in the pro era and took on bigger and bigger contracts to lay waste to the finances, and increasingly stepped back from duties to the lower tiers. Each and every one of them lined up to form a players union that sought a significant slice of the pie, and just happened to play in some teams that were successful / legends of the game. They took FoxSports money to do it, but would happily have taken any money.
Nick Farr-Jones and Simon Poidevin have both been involved in dodgy business dealings, so they can both get fucked squared to the power of goat rape.
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@MajorRage said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA , @barbarian - what's your thoughts on this?
On one hand, I see their point in that they used to have a lot more engagement with local "grassroots" clubs back in the day.
(I put the word in quotes because it means very different things to people in Australian Rugby, depending where you sit).
On the other hand, they can get fucked. Some of these guys played mostly in the pro era and took on bigger and bigger contracts to lay waste to the finances, and increasingly stepped back from duties to the lower tiers. Each and every one of them lined up to form a players union that sought a significant slice of the pie, and just happened to play in some teams that were successful / legends of the game. They took FoxSports money to do it, but would happily have taken any money.
Nick Farr-Jones and Simon Poidevin have both been involved in dodgy business dealings, so they can both get fucked squared to the power of goat rape.
Yeah both Nick Farr-Jones and Simon Poidevin more than one dodgy Business dealings.You wouldn't want those anywhere near Australian Rugby.
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I've also penned an open letter to the ARU today, emphasising some of the points made by our esteemed skippers:
@barbarian superb!! loved the SARS and Covid-19 bit at the end. Dude you should totally post that over here - could have got you a nomination for the fernies!
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I've also penned an open letter to the ARU today, emphasising some of the points made by our esteemed skippers:
@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:
I've also penned an open letter to the ARU today, emphasising some of the points made by our esteemed skippers:
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So League is starting up, really ozzie super rugby sides should follow suit. If nothing more than friendlies to generate some income, do you think?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12326823
@Machpants May 28th ... that still a month away! Dammmmm
Exciting though, live sport! I said a few weeks ago I didn't miss it that much. That view has changed somewhat.
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@Machpants May 28th ... that still a month away! Dammmmm
Exciting though, live sport! I said a few weeks ago I didn't miss it that much. That view has changed somewhat.
@MajorRage said in Aussie Rugby:
@Machpants May 28th ... that still a month away! Dammmmm
Exciting though, live sport! I said a few weeks ago I didn't miss it that much. That view has changed somewhat.
Yeah me too. I may even watch League!
More than a month for Ozzie rugby
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I've also penned an open letter to the ARU today, emphasising some of the points made by our esteemed skippers:
@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:
I've also penned an open letter to the ARU today, emphasising some of the points made by our esteemed skippers:
I read it in the voice and cadence of John Clarke and it was superb!
Well written mate.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:
I've also penned an open letter to the ARU today, emphasising some of the points made by our esteemed skippers:
I read it in the voice and cadence of John Clarke and it was superb!
Well written mate.
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@Bovidae a sign of the character of the man! and possibly a more savvy operator who nudges from behind the scenes... if at all??
I think that open letter approach is shithouse - Castle ain't flash but she's been dealt several shitty hands since taking over. Sure her bluff over Izzy etc wasn't great, but Oz rugby has been in a state for a while and Rennie's appointment was a really big deal and the best thing to happen to their game in a long time.
Where were all these guys earlier on in the piece? maybe they were providing support etc but this just seems like they want to ditch Castle for a good ol boy.
@voodoo I'd give Kearns props (not hookers) if he addressed his 'tv persona' versus his business persona. Like @Chris-B I loathe his one-eyed, lynch mob commentary approach. He may well be a smart guy but he's got a loooong way to go to convince me of that lol (as if he gives a shit ha ha).
But I am interested in hearing his motivations around the role. Is he knowingly going into a thankless and hiding to nothing role to try and save the game? or does he think he's the (only?) guy that can right the ship?
@Paekakboyz said in Aussie Rugby:
@Bovidae a sign of the character of the man! and possibly a more savvy operator who nudges from behind the scenes... if at all??
I think that open letter approach is shithouse - Castle ain't flash but she's been dealt several shitty hands since taking over. Sure her bluff over Izzy etc wasn't great, but Oz rugby has been in a state for a while and Rennie's appointment was a really big deal and the best thing to happen to their game in a long time.
Where were all these guys earlier on in the piece? maybe they were providing support etc but this just seems like they want to ditch Castle for a good ol boy.
@voodoo I'd give Kearns props (not hookers) if he addressed his 'tv persona' versus his business persona. Like @Chris-B I loathe his one-eyed, lynch mob commentary approach. He may well be a smart guy but he's got a loooong way to go to convince me of that lol (as if he gives a shit ha ha).
But I am interested in hearing his motivations around the role. Is he knowingly going into a thankless and hiding to nothing role to try and save the game? or does he think he's the (only?) guy that can right the ship?
My view (which admittedly is pure speculation) is that, as CEO, we'd get a more watered-down version of Kearn's commentary persona - less rage in the tone and more use of big words. But - and I think this is the main motivator for his nomination - we would also see a much more parochial, Australia-first approach from him (which, for the record, he is more than within his rights to take). I imagine he'll try to create something in the image of what John O'Neill had in the late-90s and early -2000s - a time in which Trans- Ta$man relations were not at their best ("clean" stadia, Deans and all that).
I can see this playing out positively for Australian rugby in the short-term (perhaps a dead cat bounce effect), but I don't how he can put together something like the O'Neill era without (a) a compete root and branch overhaul of the game in Australia; (b) two to three sets of "once-in-a-generation" talents coming through in the next 5-10 years; (c) hosting and probably winning at least one world cup in the next 5-10 years; and (d) perhaps most importantly, an incredible amount of patience.
I can't see it panning out that well for NZ Rugby, on the other hand, at least in terms of having a cooperative relationship and unified "bloc" acting in the interests of the major SH unions. I imagine that a lot of what Kearns will try to do in terms of enhancing Aus rugby's prospects may come at the expense of NZ rugby (e.g. withdrawing from Super Rugby). Perhaps this might be the catalyst for NZ rugby to pivot more towards the Asia-Pacific region (or perhaps Aus rugby might get there first).
