NBA season 2019/20
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@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
@Hooroo There was a brief clip in Ep 1 showing the winning shots in the Bulls' first three-peat. When I watched the shot against the Suns it was like I went back in time 27 years and my stomach almost churned in the same way. I was back there. I was hopeful Barkley, KJ, Thunder Dan et al were good enough, and they had stayed in the series for sure, but I always knew a Jordan-lead Bulls team was never gonna lose. I'm sure they'll get into this later, but Barkley was either regarded as frontrunner or had already won the MVP that year and MJ had a point to prove.
One of my favourite NBA Finals series. Suns were overall a better team in my view but the Bulls had the two best players in that series.
Richard Dumas is one of my favourite Suns players of all time. Amazing athlete.
@ACT-Crusader Dumas would have been a superstar had he not fucked his shit up.
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Anyway, the actual point I was making was that MJ had to beat some good teams. The cases being made for the Blazers and Sonics only speaks to that further. So I think it's more than fair to say MJ had his work cut out and that the 90s NBA wasn't weak compared to LeBron's era.
@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
Anyway, the actual point I was making was that MJ had to beat some good teams. The cases being made for the Blazers and Sonics only speaks to that further. So I think it's more than fair to say MJ had his work cut out and that the 90s NBA wasn't weak compared to LeBron's era.
I was more talking about the level of effort during the season. My theory is the overall level of talent was lower with the NBA being less international and having 7 expansion teams in the 90s.
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@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
Anyway, the actual point I was making was that MJ had to beat some good teams. The cases being made for the Blazers and Sonics only speaks to that further. So I think it's more than fair to say MJ had his work cut out and that the 90s NBA wasn't weak compared to LeBron's era.
I was more talking about the level of effort during the season. My theory is the overall level of talent was lower with the NBA being less international and having 7 expansion teams in the 90s.
@TeWaio said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
Anyway, the actual point I was making was that MJ had to beat some good teams. The cases being made for the Blazers and Sonics only speaks to that further. So I think it's more than fair to say MJ had his work cut out and that the 90s NBA wasn't weak compared to LeBron's era.
I was more talking about the level of effort during the season. My theory is the overall level of talent was lower with the NBA being less international and having 7 expansion teams in the 90s.
It's definitely a good point that overall the NBA is probably deeper due to the quality of the international talent, but only minimally. Drazen Petrovic and Detlef Schrempf were quality players in the 90s. I think what clouds the picture is guys who are essentially American aligning with other countries. There is a huge amount of current talent who fall into that bracket and this makes it appear there is more foreign talent.
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@Hooroo said in NBA season 2019/20:
Is it on again tonight or tomorrow?
Monday nights in OZ and NZ. Two episodes each Monday for 5 weeks.
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Anyway, the actual point I was making was that MJ had to beat some good teams. The cases being made for the Blazers and Sonics only speaks to that further. So I think it's more than fair to say MJ had his work cut out and that the 90s NBA wasn't weak compared to LeBron's era.
@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
Anyway, the actual point I was making was that MJ had to beat some good teams. The cases being made for the Blazers and Sonics only speaks to that further. So I think it's more than fair to say MJ had his work cut out and that the 90s NBA wasn't weak compared to LeBron's era.
Agree. The MJ factor is the factor that sets the Bulls apart. Yes Pippen was a quality player and Rodman an enigma, but these were quality sides that he went up against.
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@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
Anyway, the actual point I was making was that MJ had to beat some good teams. The cases being made for the Blazers and Sonics only speaks to that further. So I think it's more than fair to say MJ had his work cut out and that the 90s NBA wasn't weak compared to LeBron's era.
Agree. The MJ factor is the factor that sets the Bulls apart. Yes Pippen was a quality player and Rodman an enigma, but these were quality sides that he went up against.
@ACT-Crusader said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
Anyway, the actual point I was making was that MJ had to beat some good teams. The cases being made for the Blazers and Sonics only speaks to that further. So I think it's more than fair to say MJ had his work cut out and that the 90s NBA wasn't weak compared to LeBron's era.
Agree. The MJ factor is the factor that sets the Bulls apart. Yes Pippen was a quality player and Rodman an enigma, but these were quality sides that he went up against.
That bit in the doco where they ask 1997 Steve Kerr why they are so good (or something to that effect) and thinks about it and says "because we have MJ". Truth
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Another couple of brilliant episodes. Loved how they did some of the Rodman footage. A few gems in there that I hadn’t seen from previous videos.
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Watched E2 with the lad tonight. It's definitely really enjoyable, but it's still a rehash of all the stuff I already know and have seen. For example, the injury stuff is all covered at length in CFWM and subsequent docos, and I've watched the 63 point game footage many times over.
But, its still great for the kid, and fun for me, especially given the lack of anything else to watch. But I assume at some point we will get the unfettered access to the season in question???
Ahh, fuck it, I'm being a grinch again. It's still awesome to watch, even if it's not new. The kid is LOVING it, and it's good viewing for me. And its really great to see Pippen getting his due airtime. Funny that MJ never took more shit for that.
@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
Watched E2 with the lad tonight. It's definitely really enjoyable, but it's still a rehash of all the stuff I already know and have seen. For example, the injury stuff is all covered at length in CFWM and subsequent docos, and I've watched the 63 point game footage many times over.
Which is why it's enjoyable for someone like me. For some reason basketball has never caught my interest. I know the big characters for cultural reasons only (MJ wore 23, made shoes and was in a bugs bunny movie... Magic Johnson said he got the hiv via 'heterosexual sex' etc etc)
So every twist in the story has been a surprise to me. It's very well made.
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i can't wait to get through today and watch tonight!
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My main takeaway from tonight was
Carmen Electra is still fiiiine as a motherfucker
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My main takeaway from tonight was
Carmen Electra is still fiiiine as a motherfucker
@mariner4life said in NBA season 2019/20:
My main takeaway from tonight was
Carmen Electra is still fiiiine as a motherfucker
Came here to post this and you beat me to it. Inspired.
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Some of the drinking scenes surprised me.
Rodman knocks back a beer then jumps on a motorbike in front of a large crowd, and possibly cops?
The Bulls finally beat the Piston in 1991, then get on it on the way home? Sure, they swept them so would have had a few extra days to prepare for the finals, but this still surprised me.
And then also on a plane, MJ is talking to one of his team-mates casually about being up all night (fucking) and being hungover, like it's not really that big of a deal.
I would have thought the latter two, even 30 years ago, would have been frowned upon or seriously curbed in such a high dollar value professional environment.
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There were a few Rodman insights that hadn’t been covered in previous docos.
The Phil Jackson stuff was interesting particularly the coaching down in Puerto Rico
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A bit more stuff around the Isaiah Thomas And Pistons game 4 ECF which I quite liked.
Thomas was a phenomenal player but I never liked him. I was more a fan of Joe Dumars and Vinnie Johnson. I was a fan of Rodman. Still to this day he did one of the sweetest blocks I’ve seen, in the 1990 All-Star game. Brilliant reaction and timing. That showed in Ep 3 when he was talking about his own personal tactics and how he trained.
