'Super Rugby' 2021
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@hydro11 Beginning of the end was '07 and the lack of ABs, NZ viewer numbers went from 100k to 60~70, never came back. It's not a premier comp, people are less interested
@Machpants Yep that's another good point. And now we have depth further exposed by sabbaticals, late starts to the season from star players and mandatory rest weeks. It's little wonder viewership and interest levels are on the wane.
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@Chris-B said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Nepia said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@rotated said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
You last paragraph pretty much summarizes what the Crusaders did with Ta$man in the late 00s where the likes of Brad Thorn, Ali Williams, Chris Jack and Ben Franks all going on their books.
Yeah, the Hurricanes punish the Magpies by making us keep Ben May on our books ... and we also got Ben Franks forced on us one year too.
Karma.
When Steve Tew tried to get rid of Northland and Ta$man, a small handful of teams couldn't wait to get their greedy, carcass-picking hands on our best players.
We kicked every one of those teams' arses last year and we're far from finished with that!
Why have a go at us - we didn't want your two Bens!
You been following the Ranfurly Shield thread, @Bovidae is posting a series of articles about the history of the Shield. I think the next one is about how invitational chequebook baabaas 15s aren't eligible to compete for it.
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I know why NZR did it, cos ABs are everything. But it just shows that the whole season is fucked up with too much rugby, not enough quality. S12, 11 games, 11 weeks, semi and finals, sorted. Instead SR drags on and starts early without it's ABs
@Machpants I think that was their own error. They made the abs become everything. Now the club game is completely disenfranchised
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I would like to see an NZ Super-6 this year. 5x current franchises plus get a best of the rest/PI team going.
Can't for the life of me see why the hell they want to have just five teams, therefore meaning one bye per round. Three games per week is a clearly better product to sell.If the Aussies can get their 4 teams, plus the Force, plus maybe the Fijian Drua or Sunwolves to make up their 6. Each country can play their Super-6 with a cross-over 1v2 semi into a grand final for the newly minted Triple-T (Trans Ta$man Trophy). That would be the extent of playing games with Austraya.
As for the NPC - the Chiefs region had a sort of round robin with the teams from within their region this year (I think this year). Going forward - maybe this has to be the answer for everyone (minimises travel, reduce costs, replicates what happens at schoolboy level)
Blues region - Northland, Harbour, Auckland (could the Akld union be split into East & West for this?)
Chiefs - Counties, Waikato, BOP, Taranaki
Hurricanes - Manawatu, Hawkes Bay, Wellington (can WGTN be split North/South)
South Island - Ta$man, Canterbury, Otago, Southland
Quarters between 1 & 2 from across the pools (randomly drawn, but in such a way you wouldn't play a team from your pool in quarters)
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I would like to see an NZ Super-6 this year. 5x current franchises plus get a best of the rest/PI team going.
Can't for the life of me see why the hell they want to have just five teams, therefore meaning one bye per round. Three games per week is a clearly better product to sell.If the Aussies can get their 4 teams, plus the Force, plus maybe the Fijian Drua or Sunwolves to make up their 6. Each country can play their Super-6 with a cross-over 1v2 semi into a grand final for the newly minted Triple-T (Trans Ta$man Trophy). That would be the extent of playing games with Austraya.
As for the NPC - the Chiefs region had a sort of round robin with the teams from within their region this year (I think this year). Going forward - maybe this has to be the answer for everyone (minimises travel, reduce costs, replicates what happens at schoolboy level)
Blues region - Northland, Harbour, Auckland (could the Akld union be split into East & West for this?)
Chiefs - Counties, Waikato, BOP, Taranaki
Hurricanes - Manawatu, Hawkes Bay, Wellington (can WGTN be split North/South)
South Island - Ta$man, Canterbury, Otago, Southland
Quarters between 1 & 2 from across the pools (randomly drawn, but in such a way you wouldn't play a team from your pool in quarters)
Semis & Final.@westcoastie said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I would like to see an NZ Super-6 this year. 5x current franchises plus get a best of the rest/PI team going.
Can't for the life of me see why the hell they want to have just five teams, therefore meaning one bye per round. Three games per week is a clearly better product to sell.Yeah - the logical thing would be to turn the National Provincial Champions into the 6th team (with priority on their players) and then let them also choose a player from each franchise to bolster their ranks.
Hmmm Aaron Smith, Richie Mo'unga...Hurricanes....who the fuck do we want from the Hurricanes...?
Or maybe Ta$man bolstered by all the non-contracted returnees - Sam Whitelock et al.
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A suggestion that the best Top League clubs could be involved in any future SR competition.
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^ ^ So, a separate Japanese league continues as normal, but they compete in a 'sort of' Pan-Pacific Champions League?
Yes, I'd like that idea.
But, hate the idea of the sunwolves or any other Japanese clubs/franchises in some season long hemisphere hopping league with us.
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I like this idea but I think it works better with ever y country having a domestic only comp ala England france. I also think the nz teams will be too strong and like the idea of 8 team nz league domestic possible trans Ta$man. I think alot of depth could come from pro d2 sides ,maybe japan although money a bigger factor there, and which would help the islands and nz could claim moral high ground.
Domestic only doesnt work with the 5 super teams unless trans Ta$man and mitre 10 depth is spread too thin both players and administrators and coaches as seen with how poor there financials look.
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You would have to say no - that is over 300 players.
When expansion of Super Rugby was proposed In 2009/10 to start in 2011, both Taranaki and Hawke's Bay made moves to form a sixth Super Rugby squad and NZR said no, they couldn't afford it.
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@KiwiMurph
Moneywise easily especially if mitre10 cup is canned. Players would take a slight paycut (most of their NPC money) I think one product makes rugby less convuluted, shorter total domestic season (like the NRL) would get more people coming and leave wiggle room for value add stuff, International tours vs clubs mid week etc.
player wise i think yes as well as i mentioned above, i think alot of players would come back from Pro d2 definitley and less so japan england and top 14. There are more pro nzers overseas than in NZ
A lot of good mitre10 players leave for these leagues and would likely relish the chance to play in a premier nz comp. Opening the door for pacific island players would mean they could play closer to home.
