NZ v Australia Test #1
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<p>I guess he has provided valuable runs in our previous test wins and done the job (taken wickets) when a spinner needs to in the 4th innning when there has been assistance and a big lead (which alot of our other spinners inculuding Vettori have not always done). When he hasn't been effective or expensive our pace bowlers have usually been able to take 10 wickets anyway.</p>
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<p>The only time he has been terrible was the latest series in Oz but Lyons who is considered one of the best around didn't do much better on those roads.</p>
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<p>So given Santners injury he has earned another chance. I guess he will be highly motivated.</p>
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<p>I personally would prefer Sodhi but it has been a hallmark of Hesson that he is loyal to people who have got the job done for him in the past and whose attitude he likes.</p> -
Long range weather forecast has improved and suggests there will now be no weather interruptions<br><br>Northerly throughout and only really fresh on Sunday so the need for a workhorse diminishes.<br><br>I really like Wagners attitude and he's never let us down. However Henry appeals more as a wicket taking option and I think to beat Oz we need to consistently get them out cheaply because I think the balance of our batting is deeply affected by our injury absences.<br><br>Fascinating test in prospect.<br><br>Who will we pick<br><br>Will Boult be Lightning or Listless<br>Is Southee over his injury - and even if he is will he turn up<br>Is the Kane train on track<br>Please be fit BJ - and back in form<br><br>and that's before you even start to consider the opposition.<br><br>BRING IT ON!
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<p>how does Craig keep getting picked? He's dreadfully ordinary</p>
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<p>Cos the NZ selectors have it in their heads they need a spinner so a decent quick misses out to an ordinary spinner every time.</p> -
Craig has alternated between bloody marvellous and bloody awful. The issue isn't that Craig is useless, it's that he's terribly inconsistent. Not just between games, but inconsistent between days or spells.<br><br>
Craig is the least of our concerns though. This is the weakest we've looked for about 3 years.<br><br>
Taylor out and Baz no longer the 2014 version, and Corey looking scratchy. This is our weakest middle order since Cape Town.<br><br>
Boult and Southee both having listless injury disrupted seasons.<br><br>
4. Nicholls<br>
5. McCullum<br>
6. Anderdon<br>
Is powder puff soft. God help us if Ronchi is at 7.<br><br>
Likely team<br>
Latham<br>
Guptill<br>
Williamson<br>
Nicholls<br>
McCullum <br>
Anderson <br>
Watling <br>
Craig<br>
Wagner<br>
Southee<br>
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Cos the NZ selectors have it in their heads they need a spinner so a decent quick misses out to an ordinary spinner every time.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Because tests last (potentially)5 days, and tosses (are theoretically) 50/50.</p>
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<p>So he doesn't take wickets and leaks runs but it's ok cos he provides "variation" huh ?</p> -
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So he doesn't take wickets and leaks runs but it's ok cos he provides "variation" huh ?</p></blockquote>He does take wickets. He's taken plenty of 3rd/4th innings wickets. And produced 3 match winning performances in his 15 odd tests. -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Immenso Rapido" data-cid="557945" data-time="1455149677"><p>Craig has alternated between bloody marvellous and bloody awful. The issue isn't that Craig is useless, it's that he's terribly inconsistent. Not just between games, but inconsistent between days or spells.<br><br>
Craig is the least of our concerns though. This is the weakest we've looked for about 3 years.<br><br>
Taylor out and Baz no longer the 2014 version, and Corey looking scratchy. This is our weakest middle order since Cape Town.<br><br>
Boult and Southee both having listless injury disrupted seasons.<br><br>
4. Nicholls<br>
5. McCullum<br>
6. Anderdon<br>
Is powder puff soft. God help us if Ronchi is at 7.<br><br>
Likely team<br>
Latham<br>
Guptill<br>
Williamson<br>
Nicholls<br>
McCullum <br>
Anderson <br>
Watling <br>
Craig<br>
Wagner<br>
Southee<br>
Boult</p></blockquote>
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We are there for the taking, if oz click it could be ugly. -
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<p>He does take wickets. He's taken plenty of 3rd/4th innings wickets. And produced 3 match winning performances in his 15 odd tests.</p>
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<p>What he said - some of you have short memories. Craig did a good job in England. The problem in Oz was that when we needed him to do the Vettori role, he kept bowling half-trackers so the Aussies just milked him for easy runs. There's a lot to like about Craig, he's tall, has a nice action and does turn it - but he also needs consistency if he is going to keep the test spot for long.</p> -
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<p>What he said - some of you have short memories. Craig did a good job in England. The problem in Oz was that when we needed him to do the Vettori role, he kept bowling half-trackers so the Aussies just milked him for easy runs. There's a lot to like about Craig, <strong>he's tall,</strong> has a nice action and does turn it - but he also needs consistency if he is going to keep the test spot for long.</p>
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<p>The fuck ? has this turned into some gay dating site when I wasn't looking ? Would you like to Waj him too ?</p> -
<p>Dougs in</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/76787642/wagner-misses-cut-as-mccullum-names-predictable-black-caps-to-face-australia'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/76787642/wagner-misses-cut-as-mccullum-names-predictable-black-caps-to-face-australia</a></p> -
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<p>Craig is the least of our concerns though. This is the weakest we've looked for about 3 years.<br><br>
Taylor out and Baz no longer the 2014 version, and Corey looking scratchy. This is our weakest middle order since Cape Town.<br><br>
Boult and Southee both having listless injury disrupted seasons.<br><br>
4. Nicholls<br>
5. McCullum<br>
6. Anderdon<br>
Is powder puff soft. God help us if Ronchi is at 7.<br><br>
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<p>So much this. If Watling can't find some runs as well, it's a dangerous (for us) looking lineup. </p>
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<p>I'm not a selector, so maybe i am missing something, but how can our form bowler of the summer not get a run? He's taken a bucketfull of wickets by pitching it up, bowling quick, and letting the ball do the work. Surely that's test bowling 101?</p> -
<div><strong>New Zealand:</strong> Martin Guptill, Tom Latham, Kane Williamson, Henry Nicholls, Brendon McCullum (captain), Corey Anderson, BJ Watling, Doug Bracewell, Mark Craig, Tim Southee, Trent Boult.</div>
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<div><strong>Australia:</strong> Joe Burns, David Warner, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith (captain), Adam Voges, Mitchell Marsh, Peter Nevill, Peter Siddle, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon, Jackson Bird.</div> -
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<p>So much this. If Watling can't find some runs as well, it's a dangerous (for us) looking lineup. </p>
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<p>I'm not a selector, so maybe i am missing something, but how can our form bowler of the summer not get a run? He's taken a bucketfull of wickets by pitching it up, bowling quick, and letting the ball do the work. Surely that's test bowling 101?</p>
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<p>I agree. I think Southee is very lucky to be in given his lack of cricket due to injury, and then before injury lack of form. He is starting to live off past glories to the detriment of Henry getting a shot.</p> -
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<p>Oh oh here comes a stat<br><br>
Bowling SR's<br><br>
Vettori 79<br>
Is Shodi 83<br>
Mark Craig..... 69</p>
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<p>SR is less important for a spinner I think. The debate was really Sodhi vs Craig and neither has a great record in the longer formats. Santner's FC record is terrible as well. 4 quicks plus Anderson just wasn't very likely.</p> -
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I agree. I think Southee is very lucky to be in given his lack of cricket due to injury, and then before injury lack of form. He is starting to live off past glories to the detriment of Henry getting a shot.</p></blockquote>
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Yeah. I pretty much agree on this one.<br><br>
I don't think Henry is a 3rd seamers asshole, so no complaints on Wagner or Bracewell being selected ahead of him. But I think he should be really challenging Southee at the moment for that new ball spot.<br><br>
We've got good bowling depth. But so far we've only used that depth to rotate S & B out of the short formats. I reckon Southee is a better bowler than Henry, he has more tools, but if you have an injury disrupted and out of form guy then rotate him out.<br><br>
It's easy for us to say thus stuff, but Hesson is going to need these guys to perform after they've been dropped and recalled, so has more skin in the game. However I think Southee could easily be rotated out due to lack of game time in this situation and no one's ego needs to be roughed up.
