'Super Rugby' 2021
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We don’t have the depth to dilute the current 5 teams and maintain the high performance he talks about in that article. Introducing more teams will be a disaster. Poorer quality in the name of expansion does not make for a more entertaining product. We saw that with the endless expansion of super rugby.
If the saffa’s are gone and a NZ only comp is not an option then an ANZ comp with the quality of teams kept as high as possible is the only option.
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I like it that the fanciest name you can come up for the NZ’s forgotten lands is LNI; that’s an exciting name for a franchise
@gt12 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I like it that the fanciest name you can come up for the NZ’s forgotten lands is LNI; that’s an exciting name for a franchise
They would probably use "Central".
I wouldn't, it's too vague.
Worse names in sport for me are Western Force, and probably even worse the new A League team Western United.
LNI, like GWS, may be a bit clunky. But , like OBU, MSP in welly club rugby, or PIC back in the day in netball. Doesn't seem that strange to me.
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fulling expecting to be flamed for this, but is there not an argument for expanding slightly to give opportunities to the few guys that might be good enough to step up but are behind others? give them more opportunity to shine
We're not aussie where they expanded with little more than a few elite schools providing new blood, our highschool/club/NPC are all stronger than aussie and dont have the same drain of NRL and ARL
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fulling expecting to be flamed for this, but is there not an argument for expanding slightly to give opportunities to the few guys that might be good enough to step up but are behind others? give them more opportunity to shine
We're not aussie where they expanded with little more than a few elite schools providing new blood, our highschool/club/NPC are all stronger than aussie and dont have the same drain of NRL and ARL
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
fulling expecting to be flamed for this, but is there not an argument for expanding slightly to give opportunities to the few guys that might be good enough to step up but are behind others? give them more opportunity to shine
We're not aussie where they expanded with little more than a few elite schools providing new blood, our highschool/club/NPC are all stronger than aussie and dont have the same drain of NRL and ARL
As long as costs can be covered, I think this would be a benefit as well.
Auckland, Northland and Counties area should be split into two teams. It’s a huge population base for just one team.
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
fulling expecting to be flamed for this, but is there not an argument for expanding slightly to give opportunities to the few guys that might be good enough to step up but are behind others? give them more opportunity to shine
We're not aussie where they expanded with little more than a few elite schools providing new blood, our highschool/club/NPC are all stronger than aussie and dont have the same drain of NRL and ARL
As long as costs can be covered, I think this would be a benefit as well.
Auckland, Northland and Counties area should be split into two teams. It’s a huge population base for just one team.
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
fulling expecting to be flamed for this, but is there not an argument for expanding slightly to give opportunities to the few guys that might be good enough to step up but are behind others? give them more opportunity to shine
We're not aussie where they expanded with little more than a few elite schools providing new blood, our highschool/club/NPC are all stronger than aussie and dont have the same drain of NRL and ARL
As long as costs can be covered, I think this would be a benefit as well.
Auckland, Northland and Counties area should be split into two teams. It’s a huge population base for just one team.
on paper that makes sense...but other than this year the blues havent been as dominant as that population base would suggest...need to work out how to hamstring the saders
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It’s not so much about the results, many factors contribute to that side of it, it’s the player numbers and fan base potential and availability of another stadium.
Northland plus Harbour based at Albany, and Auckland plus Counties at Eden Park covers those both off.
Should have enough support to be viable financially without being hugely disruptive.
Only real alternative is maybe basing one in Tauranga, somewhere where the population is increasing.
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It’s not so much about the results, many factors contribute to that side of it, it’s the player numbers and fan base potential and availability of another stadium.
Northland plus Harbour based at Albany, and Auckland plus Counties at Eden Park covers those both off.
Should have enough support to be viable financially without being hugely disruptive.
Only real alternative is maybe basing one in Tauranga, somewhere where the population is increasing.
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It’s not so much about the results, many factors contribute to that side of it, it’s the player numbers and fan base potential and availability of another stadium.
Northland plus Harbour based at Albany, and Auckland plus Counties at Eden Park covers those both off.
Should have enough support to be viable financially without being hugely disruptive.
Only real alternative is maybe basing one in Tauranga, somewhere where the population is increasing.
You've made me think about this a little harder. For your scenario to work you would need to do away with the Blues and completely rebrand the two new franchises (IMO) otherwise the new team would struggle for audience as fans generally don't just change the team they support because of location.
It doesn't make sense to add extra teams and for one of them not be in amongst 1.5m people when the whole country is just 5m
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It’s not so much about the results, many factors contribute to that side of it, it’s the player numbers and fan base potential and availability of another stadium.
Northland plus Harbour based at Albany, and Auckland plus Counties at Eden Park covers those both off.
Should have enough support to be viable financially without being hugely disruptive.
Only real alternative is maybe basing one in Tauranga, somewhere where the population is increasing.
@Kirwan all good points, im just concerned about those bases loosing support if results don't come
@Hooroo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It’s not so much about the results, many factors contribute to that side of it, it’s the player numbers and fan base potential and availability of another stadium.
Northland plus Harbour based at Albany, and Auckland plus Counties at Eden Park covers those both off.
Should have enough support to be viable financially without being hugely disruptive.
Only real alternative is maybe basing one in Tauranga, somewhere where the population is increasing.
You've made me think about this a little harder. For your scenario to work you would need to do away with the Blues and completely rebrand the two new franchises (IMO) otherwise the new team would struggle for audience as fans generally don't just change the team they support because of location.
It doesn't make sense to add extra teams and for one of them not be in amongst 1.5m people when the whole country is just 5m
I think such a new comp should have all the teams re branded
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@Kirwan all good points, im just concerned about those bases loosing support if results don't come
@Hooroo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It’s not so much about the results, many factors contribute to that side of it, it’s the player numbers and fan base potential and availability of another stadium.
Northland plus Harbour based at Albany, and Auckland plus Counties at Eden Park covers those both off.
Should have enough support to be viable financially without being hugely disruptive.
Only real alternative is maybe basing one in Tauranga, somewhere where the population is increasing.
You've made me think about this a little harder. For your scenario to work you would need to do away with the Blues and completely rebrand the two new franchises (IMO) otherwise the new team would struggle for audience as fans generally don't just change the team they support because of location.
It doesn't make sense to add extra teams and for one of them not be in amongst 1.5m people when the whole country is just 5m
I think such a new comp should have all the teams re branded
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan all good points, im just concerned about those bases loosing support if results don't come
@Hooroo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It’s not so much about the results, many factors contribute to that side of it, it’s the player numbers and fan base potential and availability of another stadium.
Northland plus Harbour based at Albany, and Auckland plus Counties at Eden Park covers those both off.
Should have enough support to be viable financially without being hugely disruptive.
Only real alternative is maybe basing one in Tauranga, somewhere where the population is increasing.
You've made me think about this a little harder. For your scenario to work you would need to do away with the Blues and completely rebrand the two new franchises (IMO) otherwise the new team would struggle for audience as fans generally don't just change the team they support because of location.
It doesn't make sense to add extra teams and for one of them not be in amongst 1.5m people when the whole country is just 5m
I think such a new comp should have all the teams re branded
I don't. Canes/Crusaders/Chiefs/Highlanders won't really be splitting their allegiance in two like the Blues would be if they added another Auckland Franchise.
Maybe the Chiefs would if BOP and Hawkes aligned but I think BOP punters would happily switch allegiance away from the Waikato HQ aspect of the Chiefs.
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan all good points, im just concerned about those bases loosing support if results don't come
@Hooroo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It’s not so much about the results, many factors contribute to that side of it, it’s the player numbers and fan base potential and availability of another stadium.
Northland plus Harbour based at Albany, and Auckland plus Counties at Eden Park covers those both off.
Should have enough support to be viable financially without being hugely disruptive.
Only real alternative is maybe basing one in Tauranga, somewhere where the population is increasing.
You've made me think about this a little harder. For your scenario to work you would need to do away with the Blues and completely rebrand the two new franchises (IMO) otherwise the new team would struggle for audience as fans generally don't just change the team they support because of location.
It doesn't make sense to add extra teams and for one of them not be in amongst 1.5m people when the whole country is just 5m
I think such a new comp should have all the teams re branded
I don't. Canes/Crusaders/Chiefs/Highlanders won't really be splitting their allegiance in two like the Blues would be if they added another Auckland Franchise.
Maybe the Chiefs would if BOP and Hawkes aligned but I think BOP punters would happily switch allegiance away from the Waikato HQ aspect of the Chiefs.
@Hooroo i think i was looking at it as a bit more of an opportunity than a reflection of any changes
a chance for a bit of reset on connecting with some of those smaller unions and to refresh the very 90's logos/names
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@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
fulling expecting to be flamed for this, but is there not an argument for expanding slightly to give opportunities to the few guys that might be good enough to step up but are behind others? give them more opportunity to shine
We're not aussie where they expanded with little more than a few elite schools providing new blood, our highschool/club/NPC are all stronger than aussie and dont have the same drain of NRL and ARL
As long as costs can be covered, I think this would be a benefit as well.
Auckland, Northland and Counties area should be split into two teams. It’s a huge population base for just one team.
on paper that makes sense...but other than this year the blues havent been as dominant as that population base would suggest...need to work out how to hamstring the saders
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
on paper that makes sense...but other than this year the blues havent been as dominant as that population base would suggest...need to work out how to hamstring the saders
Central Districts is the team you are looking for.
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@Yeetyaah said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The return of the Central Vikings is imminent!
Just when the weather is finally clearing we have this painful memory thrust upon us.
@Higgins said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Yeetyaah said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The return of the Central Vikings is imminent!
Just when the weather is finally clearing we have this painful memory thrust upon us.
And the suggestion of another as unpalatable merger.
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Taranaki and Hawkes bay seem like possibly the only option for a base for a 6th time, happy to proved wrong
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Surely you need more than six teams in order to fill up a season.
Six teams Home and Away means 10 rounds. You can't have semi Finals in a 6 team race so a grand final 11 weeks. That's not going to please the broadcaster.
fuck off with three games for every pairing - boring.
Eight teams home and away Split into top and bottom halves Semi's - Finals
The old Super Comp had 127 games in total. What I propose has 118.
Adding another three teams to the current franchises shouldn't have to dilute the quality too much.
Without all the international travel you don't need 40 man squads. If you restricted teams to 30 you would need to increase the current pool by 40 players. That's should be do-able. If you made the squads 34 you need 72 more than currently rostered.
So you allow each team to bring in four overseas players. Should be plenty wanting to get some footy in. 14 day quarantine before pre-season.
Easy
Sky NZ are probably better off than currently. Sell overseas TV rights - save on travel It's not a perfect world but there's got to be a workable solution out there. I spent five minutes to come up with that.
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Surely you need more than six teams in order to fill up a season.
Six teams Home and Away means 10 rounds. You can't have semi Finals in a 6 team race so a grand final 11 weeks. That's not going to please the broadcaster.
fuck off with three games for every pairing - boring.
Eight teams home and away Split into top and bottom halves Semi's - Finals
The old Super Comp had 127 games in total. What I propose has 118.
Adding another three teams to the current franchises shouldn't have to dilute the quality too much.
Without all the international travel you don't need 40 man squads. If you restricted teams to 30 you would need to increase the current pool by 40 players. That's should be do-able. If you made the squads 34 you need 72 more than currently rostered.
So you allow each team to bring in four overseas players. Should be plenty wanting to get some footy in. 14 day quarantine before pre-season.
Easy
Sky NZ are probably better off than currently. Sell overseas TV rights - save on travel It's not a perfect world but there's got to be a workable solution out there. I spent five minutes to come up with that.
@dogmeat said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Surely you need more than six teams in order to fill up a season.
Six teams Home and Away means 10 rounds. You can't have semi Finals in a 6 team race so a grand final 11 weeks. That's not going to please the broadcaster.
fuck off with three games for every pairing - boring.
Eight teams home and away Split into top and bottom halves Semi's - Finals
The old Super Comp had 127 games in total. What I propose has 118.
Adding another three teams to the current franchises shouldn't have to dilute the quality too much.
Without all the international travel you don't need 40 man squads. If you restricted teams to 30 you would need to increase the current pool by 40 players. That's should be do-able. If you made the squads 34 you need 72 more than currently rostered.
So you allow each team to bring in four overseas players. Should be plenty wanting to get some footy in. 14 day quarantine before pre-season.
Easy
Sky NZ are probably better off than currently. Sell overseas TV rights - save on travel It's not a perfect world but there's got to be a workable solution out there. I spent five minutes to come up with that.
Just a 6th team is if they go the Tran- Ta$man comp.
If NZ only, then yes, minimum of eight.
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@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It’s not so much about the results, many factors contribute to that side of it, it’s the player numbers and fan base potential and availability of another stadium.
Northland plus Harbour based at Albany, and Auckland plus Counties at Eden Park covers those both off.
Should have enough support to be viable financially without being hugely disruptive.
Only real alternative is maybe basing one in Tauranga, somewhere where the population is increasing.
You've made me think about this a little harder. For your scenario to work you would need to do away with the Blues and completely rebrand the two new franchises (IMO) otherwise the new team would struggle for audience as fans generally don't just change the team they support because of location.
It doesn't make sense to add extra teams and for one of them not be in amongst 1.5m people when the whole country is just 5m
@Hooroo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It’s not so much about the results, many factors contribute to that side of it, it’s the player numbers and fan base potential and availability of another stadium.
Northland plus Harbour based at Albany, and Auckland plus Counties at Eden Park covers those both off.
Should have enough support to be viable financially without being hugely disruptive.
Only real alternative is maybe basing one in Tauranga, somewhere where the population is increasing.
You've made me think about this a little harder. For your scenario to work you would need to do away with the Blues and completely rebrand the two new franchises (IMO) otherwise the new team would struggle for audience as fans generally don't just change the team they support because of location.
It doesn't make sense to add extra teams and for one of them not be in amongst 1.5m people when the whole country is just 5m
Jeez, it would be a rough deal on half of Auckland.
One team could be the Kings (of Leon - whichever he chooses to coach).
Dunno about the other team... The Turds?
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@Hooroo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It’s not so much about the results, many factors contribute to that side of it, it’s the player numbers and fan base potential and availability of another stadium.
Northland plus Harbour based at Albany, and Auckland plus Counties at Eden Park covers those both off.
Should have enough support to be viable financially without being hugely disruptive.
Only real alternative is maybe basing one in Tauranga, somewhere where the population is increasing.
You've made me think about this a little harder. For your scenario to work you would need to do away with the Blues and completely rebrand the two new franchises (IMO) otherwise the new team would struggle for audience as fans generally don't just change the team they support because of location.
It doesn't make sense to add extra teams and for one of them not be in amongst 1.5m people when the whole country is just 5m
Jeez, it would be a rough deal on half of Auckland.
One team could be the Kings (of Leon - whichever he chooses to coach).
Dunno about the other team... The Turds?
@Chris-B said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Hooroo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
It’s not so much about the results, many factors contribute to that side of it, it’s the player numbers and fan base potential and availability of another stadium.
Northland plus Harbour based at Albany, and Auckland plus Counties at Eden Park covers those both off.
Should have enough support to be viable financially without being hugely disruptive.
Only real alternative is maybe basing one in Tauranga, somewhere where the population is increasing.
You've made me think about this a little harder. For your scenario to work you would need to do away with the Blues and completely rebrand the two new franchises (IMO) otherwise the new team would struggle for audience as fans generally don't just change the team they support because of location.
It doesn't make sense to add extra teams and for one of them not be in amongst 1.5m people when the whole country is just 5m
One team could be the Kings (of Leon - whichever he chooses to coach).
Please please let this happen!!!
