Stadium of Canterbury
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
And freezing? Do you think being in a large plastic box will prevent the crowd from being cold if it's 2 degrees?
Actually, yes. Have you been to Dunedin? The stadium heats up with a few thousand people inside - about a hundred watts a person, so every 10k is like 500 fan heaters on full bore. It won't be 2 degrees inside, and the rugby will be fantastic - dry balls, etc.
That said, it's a massive amount of money for a stadium. Stadium economics don't make sense, so spend what you need to get a decent venue --but as you say, it's a tradeoff between a roof and big events with the current budget.
@nzzp said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
And freezing? Do you think being in a large plastic box will prevent the crowd from being cold if it's 2 degrees?
Actually, yes. Have you been to Dunedin? The stadium heats up with a few thousand people inside - about a hundred watts a person, so every 10k is like 500 fan heaters on full bore. It won't be 2 degrees inside, and the rugby will be fantastic - dry balls, etc.
That said, it's a massive amount of money for a stadium. Stadium economics don't make sense, so spend what you need to get a decent venue --but as you say, it's a tradeoff between a roof and big events with the current budget.
I've been to several games at FBS, and a couple of those were on really cold nights. It was only marginally warmer inside.
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@Stargazer
If FIFA funds it then why not but it will be a completely useless upgrade if the stadium is finished the next year. -
minor upgrades should be fine, Football are more likely to be day games which makes the experience much more enjoyable, i went to a few games during the Fifa u-20 world cup and it was nice on a sunny day
It's highly unlikely a new stadium could be completed for it, or at least to any respectable standard, best to go with this seeing as everyone will know the history of why its there than to try and fail to do a new one
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minor upgrades should be fine, Football are more likely to be day games which makes the experience much more enjoyable, i went to a few games during the Fifa u-20 world cup and it was nice on a sunny day
It's highly unlikely a new stadium could be completed for it, or at least to any respectable standard, best to go with this seeing as everyone will know the history of why its there than to try and fail to do a new one
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Football are more likely to be day games which makes the experience much more enjoyable
Those are the upgrades that need to be paid for.
Upgrade the lighting and have back up power. You're good at this ferning - never read the article.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Football are more likely to be day games which makes the experience much more enjoyable
Those are the upgrades that need to be paid for.
Upgrade the lighting and have back up power. You're good at this ferning - never read the article.
@Snowy said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Football are more likely to be day games which makes the experience much more enjoyable
Those are the upgrades that need to be paid for.
Upgrade the lighting and have back up power. You're good at this ferning - never read the article.
apologies, assumed it would be similar to the U-20 world cup where most games were during the day
Either way, they won the bid with this listed as one of the venues so there shouldn't be surprises for anyone
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@Snowy said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Football are more likely to be day games which makes the experience much more enjoyable
Those are the upgrades that need to be paid for.
Upgrade the lighting and have back up power. You're good at this ferning - never read the article.
apologies, assumed it would be similar to the U-20 world cup where most games were during the day
Either way, they won the bid with this listed as one of the venues so there shouldn't be surprises for anyone
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Snowy said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Football are more likely to be day games which makes the experience much more enjoyable
Those are the upgrades that need to be paid for.
Upgrade the lighting and have back up power. You're good at this ferning - never read the article.
apologies, assumed it would be similar to the U-20 world cup where most games were during the day
Rule one - never read the article.
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I'd be astonished if FIFA gave a shit about hosting matches in Christchurch to the point of agreeing to pay for upgrades to infrastructure when you could just schedule them elsewhere.
@antipodean said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I'd be astonished if FIFA gave a shit about hosting matches in Christchurch to the point of agreeing to pay for upgrades to infrastructure when you could just schedule them elsewhere.
Yep. I agree. Who's the news hound who's come up with the idea of a FIFA-funded upgrade? There would be 20 stadiums better than this dump in Australasia.
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Fifa does grants like this, just like UEFA gives them for teams that make it into Europe for the first time or the FA gives them to teams as they come up through the football leagues in England
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
People travel to cities because of iconic buildings and landmarks. I went to Dallas last year largely because of a cool stadium which was the shop window. And I can tell you the city itself - aside from a neighbourhood called Deep Ellum - is a bit of a bore. You don't think the inverse can be the case?
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
this, seems like a weird strawman augment to accelerate building a new stadium "wont someone think of the tourisim!"
most people from anywhere outside Aussie will only come to NZ once, maybe twice if they do north once and south the other....if theyve already been and seen the "shitbox" as you call it (an awesome feat of engineering being design and built in like 6 months for me)...there was probably little chance of them coming back even if coming to see a stadium was the reason the travelled
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
People travel to cities because of iconic buildings and landmarks. I went to Dallas last year largely because of a cool stadium which was the shop window. And I can tell you the city itself - aside from a neighbourhood called Deep Ellum - is a bit of a bore. You don't think the inverse can be the case?
you may do that but you cant think thats the norm for everyone, and we're talking chch, world renowned buildings of significance were never on the cards other than some of the clever emerancy works done after the earthquake...like the shit box you hate so much
chch is the gateway to the south island, thats its main draw card, people expecting Wembley or the Camp Nou have delusions of grandeur
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@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
People travel to cities because of iconic buildings and landmarks. I went to Dallas last year largely because of a cool stadium which was the shop window. And I can tell you the city itself - aside from a neighbourhood called Deep Ellum - is a bit of a bore. You don't think the inverse can be the case?
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Waste of money, on this dump.
not if the alternative is Chch missing out of hosting games, the end goal for any of this or the new stadium isn't the stadium....its what it brings to the city, either events for people to enjoy or boosts to the economy
It'd be a great look: Christchurch, a city largely rebuilt 12 years after a series of 'quakes, and the image - the shop window - we offer to the largest global audience any event here has ever had, is of that absolute shitbox. Sure, we'd get a couple of crowds of maybe 20k but what damage is done to future tourism in the process? No thank you.
How many cities have your bypassed because you once saw a rubbish stadium on the telly? I think you're far too emotional around this to have a clear thought process.
People travel to cities because of iconic buildings and landmarks. I went to Dallas last year largely because of a cool stadium which was the shop window. And I can tell you the city itself - aside from a neighbourhood called Deep Ellum - is a bit of a bore. You don't think the inverse can be the case?
To have a significant or even remotely countable impact? Not in the slightest. I too travel to a city to see a nice stadium but I don't detour because there isn't one. That would be ridiculous and people simply don't travel like that.
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Meanwhile, you can continue arguing and bitching about every likely idea and continue playing in your temporary shithole stadium AND get no big games.
At some point you need to bite the bullet and take what is on offer (if you want an improvement).
Or, like Tauranga you can be a bunch of whingers in a populous area that never end up with anything.
