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  • TimT Tim

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    @Tim amazing how players want to play in a fun, winning environment eh

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    • nzzpN nzzp

      @Tim amazing how players want to play in a fun, winning environment eh

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      @nzzp said in Blues 2020:

      @Tim amazing how players want to play in a fun, winning environment eh

      With coaches that improve their skills.

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        Yeah look at all those really young players signing for a whole two years. Come on...four or five years eh! Never fails.

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          Yeah look at all those really young players signing for a whole two years. Come on...four or five years eh! Never fails.

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          @Bones said in Blues 2020:

          Yeah look at all those really young players signing for a whole two years. Come on...four or five years eh! Never fails.

          Two years to make the abs,, otherwise overseas cash beckons, that's why they do it

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          • M Machpants

            @Bones said in Blues 2020:

            Yeah look at all those really young players signing for a whole two years. Come on...four or five years eh! Never fails.

            Two years to make the abs,, otherwise overseas cash beckons, that's why they do it

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            @Machpants said in Blues 2020:

            @Bones said in Blues 2020:

            Yeah look at all those really young players signing for a whole two years. Come on...four or five years eh! Never fails.

            Two years to make the abs,, otherwise overseas cash beckons, that's why they do it

            Thanks, I'm new to rugby 😁

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            • BonesB Bones

              Yeah look at all those really young players signing for a whole two years. Come on...four or five years eh! Never fails.

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              @Bones said in Blues 2020:

              Yeah look at all those really young players signing for a whole two years. Come on...four or five years eh! Never fails.

              remember where we're coming from. early last year or the year before, there'd be noise about shifting franchises, players would wonder if they should commit to the Blues. Now it's 'only two year's?

              I'll take it.

              What we're doing more than anything is building a team people can have confidence signing for and playing in. Combine with talent scouting, and suddenly you've got a viable long term franchise that can start succeeding. I'm a broken record on this, but I am really delighted for this organisation. They have been so bad for so long, that the people turning it around must be stoked, and I'm proud of what they are doing.

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              • nzzpN nzzp

                @Bones said in Blues 2020:

                Yeah look at all those really young players signing for a whole two years. Come on...four or five years eh! Never fails.

                remember where we're coming from. early last year or the year before, there'd be noise about shifting franchises, players would wonder if they should commit to the Blues. Now it's 'only two year's?

                I'll take it.

                What we're doing more than anything is building a team people can have confidence signing for and playing in. Combine with talent scouting, and suddenly you've got a viable long term franchise that can start succeeding. I'm a broken record on this, but I am really delighted for this organisation. They have been so bad for so long, that the people turning it around must be stoked, and I'm proud of what they are doing.

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                @nzzp yeah I may have been being fec...fac...face..faci...joking.

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                • BonesB Bones

                  @nzzp yeah I may have been being fec...fac...face..faci...joking.

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                  @Bones said in Blues 2020:

                  @nzzp yeah I may have been being fec...fac...face..faci...joking.

                  well, when Hooper gets 5 year deals, ya never know...

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                  • nzzpN nzzp

                    @Bones said in Blues 2020:

                    @nzzp yeah I may have been being fec...fac...face..faci...joking.

                    well, when Hooper gets 5 year deals, ya never know...

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                    @nzzp Or in NZ, Billy Proctor :man_facepalming_light_skin_tone:

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                    • nzzpN nzzp

                      @Bones said in Blues 2020:

                      Yeah look at all those really young players signing for a whole two years. Come on...four or five years eh! Never fails.

                      remember where we're coming from. early last year or the year before, there'd be noise about shifting franchises, players would wonder if they should commit to the Blues. Now it's 'only two year's?

                      I'll take it.

                      What we're doing more than anything is building a team people can have confidence signing for and playing in. Combine with talent scouting, and suddenly you've got a viable long term franchise that can start succeeding. I'm a broken record on this, but I am really delighted for this organisation. They have been so bad for so long, that the people turning it around must be stoked, and I'm proud of what they are doing.

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                      @nzzp Was good to read about what's going on inside the team yesterday.

                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300049169/super-rugby-aotearoa-have-the-basketcase-blues-really-turned-the-corner

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                      • DiceD Dice

                        @nzzp Was good to read about what's going on inside the team yesterday.

                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300049169/super-rugby-aotearoa-have-the-basketcase-blues-really-turned-the-corner

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                        @Dice good stuff, interesting. The administration is so much better. Having your stakeholders at war with each other is horrific

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                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300054975/super-rugby-aotearoa-the-ioane-brothers-were-still-big-winners-in-blues-loss

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                            I saw a few posts about Sotutu being injured. Does anyone have more info?

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                              Reiko, Barrett & DC having a kicking contest

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                                A very interesting read on Akira

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                                https://tiponrugby.substack.com/p/centre-of-attention

                                His workload over 2018 and 2019 included 80-minute performances in 28 of his team’s 32 games, and between 2016 and 2019 he bore the highest workload in attack of any of the players charted above: he contributed 9.4% of his team’s carries during this period, while also beating defenders the most regularly and making more metres per carry than everyone except Ardie Savea and Dalton Papali’i. (Ioane averaged 2.1 more carries per 80 minutes than Savea over this period, and 6.3 more than Papali’i.)
                                
                                This data cannot prove or disprove that Ioane met the standards that the All Blacks selectors were asking him to meet, but it does provide evidence to contradict the assertion that only now is he providing an acceptable level of on-field performance.
                                
                                It is also notable that a number of positive public comments from those selectors and his Blues coaches over the last few years have been largely ignored in the framing of his story. Grant Fox’s acknowledgement prior to the 2018 end-of-year tour that Ioane was “getting better at the areas he's been asked to improve at” was published under a headline suggesting that his “star [was] on the wane”, and Leon MacDonald’s comments at the beginning of this season that Ioane had “trained really well, [and] is fit and hungry” did nothing to stop his non-selection for the opening rounds of Super Rugby being painted in the same light.
                                
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                                • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                  A very interesting read on Akira

                                  alt text

                                  https://tiponrugby.substack.com/p/centre-of-attention

                                  His workload over 2018 and 2019 included 80-minute performances in 28 of his team’s 32 games, and between 2016 and 2019 he bore the highest workload in attack of any of the players charted above: he contributed 9.4% of his team’s carries during this period, while also beating defenders the most regularly and making more metres per carry than everyone except Ardie Savea and Dalton Papali’i. (Ioane averaged 2.1 more carries per 80 minutes than Savea over this period, and 6.3 more than Papali’i.)
                                  
                                  This data cannot prove or disprove that Ioane met the standards that the All Blacks selectors were asking him to meet, but it does provide evidence to contradict the assertion that only now is he providing an acceptable level of on-field performance.
                                  
                                  It is also notable that a number of positive public comments from those selectors and his Blues coaches over the last few years have been largely ignored in the framing of his story. Grant Fox’s acknowledgement prior to the 2018 end-of-year tour that Ioane was “getting better at the areas he's been asked to improve at” was published under a headline suggesting that his “star [was] on the wane”, and Leon MacDonald’s comments at the beginning of this season that Ioane had “trained really well, [and] is fit and hungry” did nothing to stop his non-selection for the opening rounds of Super Rugby being painted in the same light.
                                  
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                                  @KiwiMurph

                                  Fascinating blog - those stats indicate that the Chiefs were fucking suicidal to let Coventry go - and that the forward pack of the Blues is as good as it looks.

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                                  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                    A very interesting read on Akira

                                    alt text

                                    https://tiponrugby.substack.com/p/centre-of-attention

                                    His workload over 2018 and 2019 included 80-minute performances in 28 of his team’s 32 games, and between 2016 and 2019 he bore the highest workload in attack of any of the players charted above: he contributed 9.4% of his team’s carries during this period, while also beating defenders the most regularly and making more metres per carry than everyone except Ardie Savea and Dalton Papali’i. (Ioane averaged 2.1 more carries per 80 minutes than Savea over this period, and 6.3 more than Papali’i.)
                                    
                                    This data cannot prove or disprove that Ioane met the standards that the All Blacks selectors were asking him to meet, but it does provide evidence to contradict the assertion that only now is he providing an acceptable level of on-field performance.
                                    
                                    It is also notable that a number of positive public comments from those selectors and his Blues coaches over the last few years have been largely ignored in the framing of his story. Grant Fox’s acknowledgement prior to the 2018 end-of-year tour that Ioane was “getting better at the areas he's been asked to improve at” was published under a headline suggesting that his “star [was] on the wane”, and Leon MacDonald’s comments at the beginning of this season that Ioane had “trained really well, [and] is fit and hungry” did nothing to stop his non-selection for the opening rounds of Super Rugby being painted in the same light.
                                    
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                                    @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                                    A very interesting read on Akira

                                    No one ever questioned Akira Ioane's desire to run the ball. It was his refusal to commit to the clean out that clearly irked the AB selectors. There is a lot more to being a loose forward than running the ball.

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                                    • Cantab79C Cantab79

                                      @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                                      A very interesting read on Akira

                                      No one ever questioned Akira Ioane's desire to run the ball. It was his refusal to commit to the clean out that clearly irked the AB selectors. There is a lot more to being a loose forward than running the ball.

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                                      • Cantab79C Cantab79

                                        @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                                        A very interesting read on Akira

                                        No one ever questioned Akira Ioane's desire to run the ball. It was his refusal to commit to the clean out that clearly irked the AB selectors. There is a lot more to being a loose forward than running the ball.

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                                        Nepia
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                                        @Cantab79 said in Blues 2020:

                                        @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                                        A very interesting read on Akira

                                        No one ever questioned Akira Ioane's desire to run the ball. It was his refusal to commit to the clean out that clearly irked the AB selectors. There is a lot more to being a loose forward than running the ball.

                                        Sheesh AC, now you’re attacking your cousin on multiple forums. 😛The Blues used him as a runner, and like some of us have been telling TSF for the past couple of years they worked him like crazy.

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                                        • NepiaN Nepia

                                          @Cantab79 said in Blues 2020:

                                          @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2020:

                                          A very interesting read on Akira

                                          No one ever questioned Akira Ioane's desire to run the ball. It was his refusal to commit to the clean out that clearly irked the AB selectors. There is a lot more to being a loose forward than running the ball.

                                          Sheesh AC, now you’re attacking your cousin on multiple forums. 😛The Blues used him as a runner, and like some of us have been telling TSF for the past couple of years they worked him like crazy.

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                                          @Nepia 2018 was a classic year for Ioane. Dominated in all aspects and was virtually playing on his own for the Blues then dominated for Auckland and people still made excuse after excuse as to why he shouldn't be picked.

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