Crusaders v Blues
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@pukunui said in Crusaders v Blues:
Getting in the way is still a penalty/possible yellow but still not a penalty try for me.
‘Getting in the way” - He attempted a tackle. Clear yellow.
No penalty try because there were other players who could’ve prevented a try (it would have been difficult because they had to retreat too, but possible)
@Duluth said in Crusaders v Blues:
@pukunui said in Crusaders v Blues:
Getting in the way is still a penalty/possible yellow but still not a penalty try for me.
‘Getting in the way” - He attempted a tackle. Clear yellow.
No penalty try because there were other players who could’ve prevented a try (it would have been difficult because they had to retreat too, but possible)
Yep, after hunting down the replay (about 2min into the highlights vid in this thread) I wouldn’t have any argument with a yellow for that. Too much doubt for the PT though.
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@Duluth said in Crusaders v Blues:
@pukunui said in Crusaders v Blues:
Getting in the way is still a penalty/possible yellow but still not a penalty try for me.
‘Getting in the way” - He attempted a tackle. Clear yellow.
No penalty try because there were other players who could’ve prevented a try (it would have been difficult because they had to retreat too, but possible)
Yep, after hunting down the replay (about 2min into the highlights vid in this thread) I wouldn’t have any argument with a yellow for that. Too much doubt for the PT though.
@pukunui said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Duluth said in Crusaders v Blues:
@pukunui said in Crusaders v Blues:
Getting in the way is still a penalty/possible yellow but still not a penalty try for me.
‘Getting in the way” - He attempted a tackle. Clear yellow.
No penalty try because there were other players who could’ve prevented a try (it would have been difficult because they had to retreat too, but possible)
Yep, after hunting down the replay (about 2min into the highlights vid in this thread) I wouldn’t have any argument with a yellow for that. Too much doubt for the PT though.
After rewatching that highlight vid just now I think a case could be made for a PT - none of those Cantab defenders were in a position to make a tackle as they were all within 10 metres, so therefore don't you have to remove them all from the board when assessing whether a try would be scored? Even the second tackler barely looked like he'd made it back the 10 metres, let alone if he'd made it if Moody hadn't have interrupted Akira.
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I reckon Ioane scoring was what saved Moody, how often does a try seem to 'erase' an indiscretion that would otherwise likely been a YC.
I dont think that was a PT though, far too many players around to say he 'probably' would have have scored, as you only remove Moody from the situation, not all the others who could 'probably' have stopped him (Whitelock, Taylor, Alalatoa and another all looked to have been back to the line to give enough doubt)
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@Chris said in Crusaders v Blues:
Retalick who were all in the Canterbury system 2 of them born there.
Its another point of looking for excuses than getting better.He's a dicey example to use, the Chiefs got him from Hawkes Bay because he was unwanted by the Crusaders and Canterbury who'd brought in Dominic Bird from Hawkes Bay (hindsight says they got that one wrong.
).@Nepia said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Chris said in Crusaders v Blues:
Retalick who were all in the Canterbury system 2 of them born there.
Its another point of looking for excuses than getting better.He's a dicey example to use, the Chiefs got him from Hawkes Bay because he was unwanted by the Crusaders and Canterbury who'd brought in Dominic Bird from Hawkes Bay (hindsight says they got that one wrong.
).But born and breed in Canterbury, family still on the farm
Brother is still playing in North Canterbury club comp. -
@Nepia said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Chris said in Crusaders v Blues:
Retalick who were all in the Canterbury system 2 of them born there.
Its another point of looking for excuses than getting better.He's a dicey example to use, the Chiefs got him from Hawkes Bay because he was unwanted by the Crusaders and Canterbury who'd brought in Dominic Bird from Hawkes Bay (hindsight says they got that one wrong.
).But born and breed in Canterbury, family still on the farm
Brother is still playing in North Canterbury club comp.@Chris said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Nepia said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Chris said in Crusaders v Blues:
Retalick who were all in the Canterbury system 2 of them born there.
Its another point of looking for excuses than getting better.He's a dicey example to use, the Chiefs got him from Hawkes Bay because he was unwanted by the Crusaders and Canterbury who'd brought in Dominic Bird from Hawkes Bay (hindsight says they got that one wrong.
).But born and breed in Canterbury, family still on the farm
Brother is still playing in North Canterbury club comp.No one is arguing he's not from Canterbury (although his kids are going to Hawkes Bay through and through) - the key bit is bolded.
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@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Winger said in Crusaders v Blues:
@KiwiMurph said in Crusaders v Blues:
Beauden was rubbish. One of the worst games i've ever seen him play. He gave away 2 soft penalties - he kicked out on the full - he put in a shit kick before halftime. He was pants. He also looks like he has seriously lost his pace.
He was brilliant about 4-5 years back and before then. But hes been going slowly downhill since. But still good but not great.
I hoped the Blues coaches would get him moving back towards great again. But so far hes moving in the opposite direction. Maybe his time is up. Or the Blues move was a big mistake. Or hes not really a FB.
I'm bored with the Crusaders winning year after year so disappointed with this result. The only team that might have challenged is so far behind now the title is decided after 4 games
So the other teams have got to get better
It can't be done if most of the best players sign for the best team (as their AB chances are much better). And the next level down quality players bugger of overseas.
NZR need to come up with a (financial) system were the best players are evenly shared out (at present it almost ensures the opposite). Otherwise a new competition will slowly die. Or will never achieve the following it could have if one team wins ever year. This includes Aust (or SA if still included although this model has done its time). Aust can only support 3 teams at most. So 5 EVEN NZ teams and three QUALITY Aussie teams = success. But NZ need to be ruthless (ignore reasons why it can be done. For example Abs might need to move teams as Barrett did) to ensure an even distribution of players. This new competition must be seen as very important rather than just the ABs. And super rugby almost as an irrelevant feeder for the ABs (the current set up).
@Winger said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Winger said in Crusaders v Blues:
@KiwiMurph said in Crusaders v Blues:
Beauden was rubbish. One of the worst games i've ever seen him play. He gave away 2 soft penalties - he kicked out on the full - he put in a shit kick before halftime. He was pants. He also looks like he has seriously lost his pace.
He was brilliant about 4-5 years back and before then. But hes been going slowly downhill since. But still good but not great.
I hoped the Blues coaches would get him moving back towards great again. But so far hes moving in the opposite direction. Maybe his time is up. Or the Blues move was a big mistake. Or hes not really a FB.
I'm bored with the Crusaders winning year after year so disappointed with this result. The only team that might have challenged is so far behind now the title is decided after 4 games
So the other teams have got to get better
It can't be done if most of the best players sign for the best team (as their AB chances are much better). And the next level down quality players bugger of overseas.
NZR need to come up with a (financial) system were the best players are evenly shared out (at present it almost ensures the opposite). Otherwise a new competition will slowly die. Or will never achieve the following it could have if one team wins ever year. This includes Aust (or SA if still included although this model has done its time). Aust can only support 3 teams at most. So 5 EVEN NZ teams and three QUALITY Aussie teams = success. But NZ need to be ruthless (ignore reasons why it can be done. For example Abs might need to move teams as Barrett did) to ensure an even distribution of players. This new competition must be seen as very important rather than just the ABs. And super rugby almost as an irrelevant feeder for the ABs (the current set up).
I would have thought the best way to do this is actually to ensure that the coaching at all franchises is strong. Despite their poor recent form, one would think having Gats coaching the Chiefs would make that a desirable destination (perhaps he needs to improve his assistants). Similarly, it seems Rangi is leading a strong coaching unit at the Blues and I’m sure the way they’ve played this year will make players consider moving there.
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Well, pretty late to this thread due to life and being away and stuff. Few things
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Great game of footy. Seriously good fun
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Blues were the better side for most of that game. For the first three quarters, they dominated up front, and had stinging defence. Asked a lot of questions of a good Crusaders outfit. However,
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Crusaders in Chch are remarkable. What a team. They have pulled away in the final quarter this year, and just have that trust in each other. Along with, of course,
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Some refereeing decisions that are frustrating. Inconsistency in side entry is particularly annoying - I think the ref swallowed his whistle for rucks in the final quarter. Just annoying, but that's what you get for having the sustained excellence and weight of history. Tendulkar didn't cop too many dodgy LBW, Crusaders rarely get dudded by refs. It's life, you have to be better.
So, overall, a game I was proud to support the Blues in. We were 5-10 minutes of playing well away from taking that out, and I'll take that given where we have been in the last 8 years or so. Really staunch effort, and pipped by a very well coached and motivated side who are the best in the world at the moment.
Roll on the rematch at the Garden of Eden! Can't wait to see that in person.
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This Crusaders 'get favoured by the refs' whingefest is as boring as the 'ABs get favoured by the refs' bullshit. There were calls going the way of the Blues too.
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@nzzp said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Victor-Meldrew helps not to be bothered by long term nasty injuries.
Yeah. And his decision-making has gone up another notch as well.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Crusaders v Blues:
@nzzp said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Victor-Meldrew helps not to be bothered by long term nasty injuries.
Yeah. And his decision-making has gone up another notch as well.
That plus his attacking kicks for territory are setting him apart at the moment.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Crusaders v Blues:
@nzzp said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Victor-Meldrew helps not to be bothered by long term nasty injuries.
Yeah. And his decision-making has gone up another notch as well.
That plus his attacking kicks for territory are setting him apart at the moment.
@Bones said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Crusaders v Blues:
@nzzp said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Victor-Meldrew helps not to be bothered by long term nasty injuries.
Yeah. And his decision-making has gone up another notch as well.
That plus his attacking kicks for territory are setting him apart at the moment.
He looks a far more confident and settled player than in the past. Pretty much like the Blues overall I suppose.
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@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Bones @Chris @Siam
I've not mentioned versing or apostrophes for monthsEverybody knows that you are watching.
@Snowy said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Bones @Chris @Siam
I've not mentioned versing or apostrophes for monthsEverybody knows that you are watching.
And judging.
So fat.
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@Snowy said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Bones @Chris @Siam
I've not mentioned versing or apostrophes for monthsEverybody knows that you are watching.
And judging.
So fat.
@Bones said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Snowy said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Bones @Chris @Siam
I've not mentioned versing or apostrophes for monthsEverybody knows that you are watching.
And judging.
So fat.
You had bring Akira into this again. Just going to be another shitfight.
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@Snowy said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Bones @Chris @Siam
I've not mentioned versing or apostrophes for monthsEverybody knows that you are watching.
Would never have guessed
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Snowy said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Bones @Chris @Siam
I've not mentioned versing or apostrophes for monthsEverybody knows that you are watching.
Would never have guessed
Sorry @Snowy. Would never of guessed.
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@Snowy said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Bones @Chris @Siam
I've not mentioned versing or apostrophes for monthsEverybody knows that you are watching.
And judging.
So fat.
@Bones said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Snowy said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Bones @Chris @Siam
I've not mentioned versing or apostrophes for monthsEverybody knows that you are watching.
And judging.
So fat.
You've been stalking?
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The AB outside back discussion has moved to this thread:
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4017/ab-squad-for-the-bledisloe-cup/247
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@Duluth said in Crusaders v Blues:
What do the scrum aficiandos make of that crucial scrum at 1.44? @pakman @NTA others?
Blues get the penalty, but I'm not sure what for - Crusaders wheeling? Moody angling in - or something on the near side?
The key thing I can see is that Ofa's been buckled and driven up into the air, which is pretty impressive if Moody has done it legally.
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@Duluth said in Crusaders v Blues:
What do the scrum aficiandos make of that crucial scrum at 1.44? @pakman @NTA others?
Blues get the penalty, but I'm not sure what for - Crusaders wheeling? Moody angling in - or something on the near side?
The key thing I can see is that Ofa's been buckled and driven up into the air, which is pretty impressive if Moody has done it legally.
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@Chris-B crusaders THP looks like his knee hit the deck under pressure. You can see him drop just before they try to cover it up by wheeling.
