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    @Rembrandt that's brilliant

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    This woman is brilliant when it comes to the science around biological sex and the topic of transgender women in sports. She is a genuine expert as opposed to an activist, so great to see she has been involved in the process.

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    @No-Quarter That thread from Ross Tucker in her tweet is also very good.

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    So glad to see Ross Tucker there - he seems really on the ball on a lot of issues around sports science.

    Oh, and the walrus called him a nobody and abuses him on Twitter.

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    @MajorRage said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    So glad to see Ross Tucker there - he seems really on the ball on a lot of issues around sports science.

    Oh, and the walrus called him a nobody and abuses him on Twitter.

    There is no higher recommendation!

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53476972

    World Rugby could ban transgender women because of safety reasons
    
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    @Bones Have Women's (XY) Rugby and then Open Rugby. Trans Gender or Third Gender people can compete in Open Rugby alongside Men. Non-discriminatory and maintains safety.

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    @sparky said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    @Bones Have Women's (XY) Rugby and then Open Rugby. Trans Gender or Third Gender people can compete in Open Rugby alongside Men. Non-discriminatory and maintains safety.

    That's one option but I would prefer three types. Men. Women. Trans folk.

    Then if they can get at least two teams going they can play.

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    @Catogrande said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    @sparky said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    @Bones Have Women's (XY) Rugby and then Open Rugby. Trans Gender or Third Gender people can compete in Open Rugby alongside Men. Non-discriminatory and maintains safety.

    That's one option but I would prefer three types. Men. Women. Trans folk.

    Then if they can get at least two teams going they can play.

    I agree - safest way forward for women, trans and white cis rugby playing males

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    @junior said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    @Catogrande said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    @sparky said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    @Bones Have Women's (XY) Rugby and then Open Rugby. Trans Gender or Third Gender people can compete in Open Rugby alongside Men. Non-discriminatory and maintains safety.

    That's one option but I would prefer three types. Men. Women. Trans folk.

    Then if they can get at least two teams going they can play.

    I agree - safest way forward for women, trans and white cis rugby playing males

    White?

    And fuck off with that cis shit. Males and trans males. That’s it.

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    Or as SA rugby fans might say, trans stain.

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    Interview with Ross Tucker

    Emile Donovan  /  Aug 3, 2020  /  Health & Science

    The science on transgender sport

    The science on transgender sport

    The Detail talks to the person whose scientific work informed World Rugby's controversial new proposed policy.

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    @Stargazer said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    Interview with Ross Tucker

    Emile Donovan  /  Aug 3, 2020  /  Health & Science

    The science on transgender sport

    The science on transgender sport

    The Detail talks to the person whose scientific work informed World Rugby's controversial new proposed policy.

    Good to see detailed analysis and stats to back up what is essentially a common sense argument.

    As has been said before, I think we will end up with an open class and a biological womans class. If we don't, that's the end of woman's sport.

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    This would be like prime Frans Botha having to fight the dregs in the heavyweight division today. It would get ugly fast.

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    uglier than Frans Botha?

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    @mariner4life said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    uglier than Frans Botha?

    ![alt text](cb847698-d527-4210-849b-77f24e1480c0-image.jpeg image url) https://alchetron.com/cdn/francois-botha-67018714-da03-40f0-a0ca-3a531df70e7-resize-750.jpeg

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    @Kirwan said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    @Stargazer said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    Interview with Ross Tucker

    Emile Donovan  /  Aug 3, 2020  /  Health & Science

    The science on transgender sport

    The science on transgender sport

    The Detail talks to the person whose scientific work informed World Rugby's controversial new proposed policy.

    Good to see detailed analysis and stats to back up what is essentially a common sense argument.

    As has been said before, I think we will end up with an open class and a biological womans class. If we don't, that's the end of woman's sport.

    It's what I should be, but I just can't see it unfortunately.

    Anything where trans people aren't treated 100% as the gender they have converted too is smashed down hard as transphobic. It's only a matter of time until there is a scientific led report which states that if you take xxx of xxxx drugs over a period of xxx time then no longer have any biological advantage & any other research is widely discredited.

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    @MajorRage said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    @Kirwan said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    @Stargazer said in Trans debate hits World Rugby:

    Interview with Ross Tucker

    Emile Donovan  /  Aug 3, 2020  /  Health & Science

    The science on transgender sport

    The science on transgender sport

    The Detail talks to the person whose scientific work informed World Rugby's controversial new proposed policy.

    Good to see detailed analysis and stats to back up what is essentially a common sense argument.

    As has been said before, I think we will end up with an open class and a biological womans class. If we don't, that's the end of woman's sport.

    It's what I should be, but I just can't see it unfortunately.

    Anything where trans people aren't treated 100% as the gender they have converted too is smashed down hard as transphobic. It's only a matter of time until there is a scientific led report which states that if you take xxx of xxxx drugs over a period of xxx time then no longer have any biological advantage & any other research is widely discredited.

    In MMA and perhaps Rugby, will only be a matter of time before a biological woman is severly injured by a trans woman then.

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    World Rugby approves updated transgender participation guidelines

    World Rugby has approved updated transgender participation guidelines following a comprehensive, collaborative and transparent review of its existing guidance.

    The new guidelines [which can be accessed here] cover the participation of transgender athletes in men’s and women’s contact rugby where it is possible to do so safely and fairly.

    As with many other sports, the physiological differences between males and females necessitate dedicated men’s and women’s contact rugby categories for safety and performance reasons. Given the best available evidence for the effects of testosterone reduction on these physical attributes for transgender women, it was concluded that safety and fairness cannot presently be assured for women competing against transwomen in contact rugby.

    As a result, the new guidelines do not recommend that transwomen play women’s contact rugby on safety grounds at the elite and international level of the game where size, strength, power and speed are crucial for both risk and performance, but do not preclude national unions from flexibility in their application of the guidelines at the domestic/community level of the game. Transmen are permitted to participate in men’s contact rugby.

    World Rugby is committed to regularly reviewing the guidance to monitor and consider any new evidence or research in an inclusive and collaborative manner. This commitment includes the funding and support of more rugby-specific transgender research to further inform injury risk.


    The media release also sets out the process undertaken to draft the guidelines.

    SUMMARY OF TRANSGENDER BIOLOGY AND PERFORMANCE RESEARCH>>

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