NZ v Australia Test #2
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<p>Taylor definitely but Santner ?????</p>
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<p>neither would have changed the result given the performance of everyone else. But i get the feeling Santner is already a better spinner than our other options, and at least seems to be able to bowl dot balls if required. Can bat a bit too.</p>
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<p>Southee at 8 is a joke. Southee in the team at all is starting to look shakey. </p> -
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<p>Taylor definitely but Santner ?????</p>
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<p>Firstly, I said "hopes/dreams" of a win - not a dead certainty. :)</p>
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<p>Secondly, Santner has a bit more about him as a bowler than Craig I reckon. Especially once the Aussies took to Craig at the Gabba, they've never played against him with any respect, and Craig hasn't been able to do anything to change that.</p>
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<p>To be fair, I also wasn't expecting our wicket taking options to rely on the third change bowler bowling short stuff.</p>
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<p>BCs have struggled with bat and ball really</p>
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<p>BCs have struggled with bat and ball really</p>
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<p>When that happens you're likely to lose.</p>
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<p>I get the feeling that Santner gets more love on this forum than he deserves. Not saying he 's not gonna develop into a very good player but he's hardly "got the runs on the board" so to speak.</p> -
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<p>When that happens you're likely to lose.</p>
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<p>I get the feeling that Santner gets more love on this forum than he deserves. Not saying he 's not gonna develop into a very good player but he's hardly "got the runs on the board" so to speak.</p>
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<p>you only have to be better than the alternatives. </p> -
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<p>you only have to be better than the alternatives. </p>
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<p>That's particularly pertinent especially when discussing BC spinners but we went into the first test with a spinner and got hammered but went into this with four seamers and look to be on the way to a sound beating. He's hardly the messiah.</p> -
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<p>That's particularly pertinent especially when discussing BC spinners but we went into the first test with a spinner and got hammered but went into this with four seamers and look to be on the way to a sound beating. He's hardly the messiah.</p>
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<p>Who said he was... Have you been refining your knee jerking over at stuff nation? :)</p>
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<p>To beat the Strayans every last ounce of 'getting it right' has to be found from somewhere.</p> -
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<p>Who said he was... Have you been refining your knee jerking over at stuff nation? :)</p>
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<p>To beat the Strayans every last ounce of 'getting it right' has to be found from somewhere.</p>
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<p>You seemed to imply it to me when you put him in the same bracket as Taylor.</p> -
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<p>You seemed to imply it to me when you put him in the same bracket as Taylor.</p>
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<p>"My <strong>outside hopes/dreams </strong>of a series win<strong> </strong>were toast once Taylor and Santner were ruled out."</p>
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<p>(i.e. even with them). Taylor = world class. Santner = better than the alternatives + that dreaded "potential" tag.</p>
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<p>I crapped on about 9/52 and 188 in the Tests before Christmas, but we needed a few performances along those lines.</p> -
<p>I didn't break down every individual word I guess, just not sure how a guy with a first class bowling average of 52 deserves a mention but I may be proven wrong.</p>
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<p>Henry is a pretty handy batsman but I think he has the Mark Craig touch of a lot of not outs. I think Southee has the most talent but the least application.</p>
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<p>As others have mentioned of more concern is his bowling.</p> -
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<p>I've been a slack bastard at following the domestic cricket this season. Anyone standing out as a decent opener in the four dayers? (he asks with hope)</p>
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<p>Well, Jeet Raval scored a double ton against Otago in this current round. But his last ten scores before that were all under 30, so...</p>
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<p>Ben Smith is getting a bit of chat. The cricketer, not the rugby player. The All Black rugby player, of course, not the shitty Otago/BOP clothing label guy. But we're not talking about them anyway.</p> -
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<p>That's particularly pertinent especially when discussing BC spinners but we went into the first test with a spinner and got hammered but went into this with four seamers and look to be on the way to a sound beating. He's hardly the messiah.</p>
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<p>holy fuck, do you type shit out just to "hear" yourself? It was explained to you above why we thought he might have made a difference. You've ignored it and basically gone down the "he's not Warne, so who cares" path. </p>
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<p>His average makes fuck all difference when the reason given was i thought he would be able to bowl economically and create wickets through pressure, something almost all our bowlers have failed to do this summer, most especially Craig. </p> -
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<p>I didn't break down every individual word I guess, just not sure how a guy with a first class bowling average of 52 deserves a mention but I may be proven wrong.</p>
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<p>Henry is a pretty handy batsman but I think he has the Mark Craig touch of a lot of not outs. I think Southee has the most talent but the least application.</p>
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<p>As others have mentioned of more concern is his bowling.</p>
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<p>The incumbent test spinner didn't deserve a mention? The incumbent spinner who the current coach & selectors still dropped Mark Craig for - even with his first class bowling average of 52.</p>
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<p>If the tail can somehow scrap their way through the rest of the day, the lead would be what - about 230-250 something like that?</p>
<p>Could be a tricky chase on day 5 if our bowlers manage to get it right.</p>
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<p>That is a couple of very big IF's involved in my moment of optimism.</p> -
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<p>holy fuck, do you type shit out just to "hear" yourself? It was explained to you above why we thought he might have made a difference. You've ignored it and basically gone down the "he's not Warne, so who cares" path. </p>
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<p>His average makes fuck all difference when the reason given was i thought he would be able to bowl economically and create wickets through pressure, something almost all our bowlers have failed to do this summer, most especially Craig. </p>
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<p>Stop getting all internet tough guy when someone disagrees with you Noodle arms....all I'm pointing out is that he's unproven. Not only that he's gone for over 6 an over in ODIs. Less in tests obviously but three matches isn't much to gauge is it ? </p>
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<p>He might have made a difference, but I think Taylors record indicates he was more likely to.</p> -
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<p>Stop getting all internet tough guy when someone disagrees with you Noodle arms....all I'm pointing out is that he's unproven. Not only that he's gone for over 6 an over in ODIs. Less in tests obviously but three matches isn't much to gauge is it ? </p>
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<p>He might have made a difference, but I think Taylors record indicates he was more likely to.</p>
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<p>holy fuck, do you type shit out just to "hear" yourself?</p> -
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<p>If the tail can somehow scrap their way through the rest of the day, the lead would be what - about 230-250 something like that?</p>
<p>Could be a tricky chace on day 5 if our bowlers manage to get it right.</p>
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<p>That is a couple of very big IF's involved in my moment of optimism.</p>
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<p>and if someone in Christchurch goes and gives the pitch a HUGE soaking while its dark!</p>
