Skip to content
  • Categories
Collapse

The Silver Fern

  • Tipping
  • Team Sheets
  • Highlights
  • Results
    • All Blacks

      Search every All Blacks Test. Filter results by year, opposition, location, venue, city and RWC stage

    • Super Rugby

      Search every Super Rugby since match 1996

    • NPC

      Search NPC results. Only first division matches from 1976-2005. All results from the 14 team competition (2006-present) are included

Blues 2020

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Sports Talk
blues
1.6k Posts 81 Posters 159.0k Views 4 Watching
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • DiceD Dice

    The weather for today's game should be good for some running rugby. Will we see a less conservative approach today though?

    I did another stat dive and found that our linebreak numbers have taken a nose dive compared to our pre-covid games.

    In 5 games of Super Rugby Aotearoa, we've made 27 linebreaks, which is an average of 5.4 line breaks per game. For a bit of context, the Crusaders are averaging 11.4 linebreaks per game, while the Hurricanes are at the front with 13 line breaks per game.

    Pre-covid we made 84 linebreaks in 7 games, which is an average of 12 linebreaks per game. Non-derby games didn't boost the average either, as we actually averaged more linebreaks in derbies with 13 per game.

    With the current game plan we're playing, it means we have to be very efficient with the ball we have, which we have been to an extent, but it leaves little room for error. We've only had one game with the possession edge, and in our two losses, we averaged 37.5% of possession.

    Parsons noted this week that with all the tackling we're doing, it leaves less energy for attack. So maybe a change in approach is needed?

    antipodeanA Offline
    antipodeanA Offline
    antipodean
    wrote on last edited by
    #1456

    @Dice said in Blues 2020:

    Parsons noted this week that with all the tackling we're doing, it leaves less energy for attack. So maybe a change in approach is needed?

    I'd suggest not handing over possession via stupid penalties.

    alt text

    1 Reply Last reply
    4
    • TimT Tim

      The season drawing to a close, so it's time to start looking ahead to 2021.

      Overall our forwards have been really good, we have an excellent forwards coach, and good depth. We need to improve accuracy at the ruck, and gain a few more turnovers.

      Our top four props are clear, with the 3rd loosehead and tighthead spots in contention. Lindenmuth is promising, but needs more game time. Renata has shown he can play both sides, but might be a better loosehead. Fepulea'i and Adams are other possibilities, as is Lua Li. Might be too soon for some of the age group players.

      Eklund is the number one hooker going forward, with Parsons having maybe one more year ahead of him. Tolai is a good prospect, and Niuia might be back. Any good recruitment prospects?

      We're pretty solid at lock. Not sure if there any new standouts coming along.

      At loose forward, will be interesting to see if Jones or Choat can force their way into the squad.

      Now the hard part, the backs.

      Nock is the only halfback who I'm comfortable with starting. Christie is okay off the bench, but not a starter. TTT and Taumateine might be worth targeting. Some good young players coming through, but too green.

      At 10 we are okay. Zarn Sullivan might force his way in though.

      Midfield is tough. We really only have one good option at 12 and 13 until Tele'a is back. Hope he can stay fit next year. Tamati Tua is in the squad as a replacement 12, but it's a long time since I've seen him play. AJ Lam might be worth a look at 13 and wing, and maybe Clarke can play centre too. Clarke may be preparing for olympic sevens next year though. Solofa Silipa plays 12 and wing in club rugby. Any other possibilities from the region, or players worth recruiting?

      We might need a couple of wings too. Hopefully Talea and Narawa improve their defence.

      Perofeta went well at fullback, but is prone to injury. Duffie is okay but that's about it. I've yet to see Page play. Trainor is a possibility. Any others? Maybe nab Stevenson.

      StargazerS Offline
      StargazerS Offline
      Stargazer
      wrote on last edited by
      #1457

      @Tim said in Blues 2020:

      The season drawing to a close, so it's time to start looking ahead to 2021.

      Eklund is the number one hooker going forward, with Parsons having maybe one more year ahead of him. Tolai is a good prospect, and Niuia might be back. Any good recruitment prospects?

      Kereru-Symes? Has already played for the Blues during preseason.

      1 Reply Last reply
      1
      • TimT Tim

        The season drawing to a close, so it's time to start looking ahead to 2021.

        Overall our forwards have been really good, we have an excellent forwards coach, and good depth. We need to improve accuracy at the ruck, and gain a few more turnovers.

        Our top four props are clear, with the 3rd loosehead and tighthead spots in contention. Lindenmuth is promising, but needs more game time. Renata has shown he can play both sides, but might be a better loosehead. Fepulea'i and Adams are other possibilities, as is Lua Li. Might be too soon for some of the age group players.

        Eklund is the number one hooker going forward, with Parsons having maybe one more year ahead of him. Tolai is a good prospect, and Niuia might be back. Any good recruitment prospects?

        We're pretty solid at lock. Not sure if there any new standouts coming along.

        At loose forward, will be interesting to see if Jones or Choat can force their way into the squad.

        Now the hard part, the backs.

        Nock is the only halfback who I'm comfortable with starting. Christie is okay off the bench, but not a starter. TTT and Taumateine might be worth targeting. Some good young players coming through, but too green.

        At 10 we are okay. Zarn Sullivan might force his way in though.

        Midfield is tough. We really only have one good option at 12 and 13 until Tele'a is back. Hope he can stay fit next year. Tamati Tua is in the squad as a replacement 12, but it's a long time since I've seen him play. AJ Lam might be worth a look at 13 and wing, and maybe Clarke can play centre too. Clarke may be preparing for olympic sevens next year though. Solofa Silipa plays 12 and wing in club rugby. Any other possibilities from the region, or players worth recruiting?

        We might need a couple of wings too. Hopefully Talea and Narawa improve their defence.

        Perofeta went well at fullback, but is prone to injury. Duffie is okay but that's about it. I've yet to see Page play. Trainor is a possibility. Any others? Maybe nab Stevenson.

        N Offline
        N Offline
        Nogusta
        wrote on last edited by Nogusta
        #1458

        @Tim said in Blues 2020:
        Midfield is tough. We really only have one good option at 12 and 13 until Tele'a is back.

        Blues have had PUJ in their sights for a while now but after his recent performances the Canes will prolly up the ante on him

        DiceD 1 Reply Last reply
        2
        • N Nogusta

          @Tim said in Blues 2020:
          Midfield is tough. We really only have one good option at 12 and 13 until Tele'a is back.

          Blues have had PUJ in their sights for a while now but after his recent performances the Canes will prolly up the ante on him

          DiceD Offline
          DiceD Offline
          Dice
          wrote on last edited by
          #1459

          @Nogusta I remember thinking that we should take a punt on him when off contract because he had plenty of potential, but seemed out of favor down there. If the Canes didn't suddenly play him, we might've had a good chance to grab him, but his stocks are too high now.

          He's pretty similar to Tanielu as a player(injuries included), but Tanielu is a better defender and PUJ probably has a bit more polish as an attacker.

          N Canes4lifeC 2 Replies Last reply
          0
          • TimT Away
            TimT Away
            Tim
            wrote on last edited by
            #1460

            Interesting stat given all the talk about locks: Pierce is listed at 202 cm tall.

            DuluthD 1 Reply Last reply
            2
            • TimT Tim

              Interesting stat given all the talk about locks: Pierce is listed at 202 cm tall.

              DuluthD Offline
              DuluthD Offline
              Duluth
              wrote on last edited by
              #1461

              @Tim said in Blues 2020:

              Interesting stat given all the talk about locks: Pierce is listed at 202 cm tall.

              and he's added a lot of muscle in the last couple of years. Good skillset, but still learning. I'm confident he'll be an AB in 2-3 years

              1 Reply Last reply
              1
              • DiceD Dice

                @Nogusta I remember thinking that we should take a punt on him when off contract because he had plenty of potential, but seemed out of favor down there. If the Canes didn't suddenly play him, we might've had a good chance to grab him, but his stocks are too high now.

                He's pretty similar to Tanielu as a player(injuries included), but Tanielu is a better defender and PUJ probably has a bit more polish as an attacker.

                N Offline
                N Offline
                Nogusta
                wrote on last edited by
                #1462

                @Dice said in Blues 2020:

                He's pretty similar to Tanielu as a player(injuries included), but Tanielu is a better defender and PUJ probably has a bit more polish as an attacker.

                Pretty spot on with your assessment there Dice I reckon. PUJ and his brother were rugbys hottest property coming out of school IMO.
                Hopefully the 2 of them (Umaga Jensen bros) can put the injuries behind them and string some consistent games together...actually that goes for Telea as well!

                1 Reply Last reply
                2
                • DiceD Dice

                  @Nogusta I remember thinking that we should take a punt on him when off contract because he had plenty of potential, but seemed out of favor down there. If the Canes didn't suddenly play him, we might've had a good chance to grab him, but his stocks are too high now.

                  He's pretty similar to Tanielu as a player(injuries included), but Tanielu is a better defender and PUJ probably has a bit more polish as an attacker.

                  Canes4lifeC Offline
                  Canes4lifeC Offline
                  Canes4life
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1463

                  @Dice the Canes already have PUJ locked up for next year, TUJ is a free agent though I believe and could do worse than linking up with his uncle.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  2
                  • KirwanK Kirwan

                    Stevenson is the old flakey type player we used to try and target, don’t want him anywhere near the Blues.

                    Would rather get Goodhue to come home and play with his brother.

                    And the other Barrett for fullback.

                    N Offline
                    N Offline
                    Nogusta
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1464

                    @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                    And the other Barrett for fullback.

                    I reckon you could be onto something there....:shushing_face:

                    KirwanK 1 Reply Last reply
                    8
                    • Daffy JaffyD Offline
                      Daffy JaffyD Offline
                      Daffy Jaffy
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1465

                      taniwharugbyT 1 Reply Last reply
                      4
                      • Daffy JaffyD Offline
                        Daffy JaffyD Offline
                        Daffy Jaffy
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1466

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        1
                        • KirwanK Kirwan

                          Stevenson is the old flakey type player we used to try and target, don’t want him anywhere near the Blues.

                          Would rather get Goodhue to come home and play with his brother.

                          And the other Barrett for fullback.

                          Canes4lifeC Offline
                          Canes4lifeC Offline
                          Canes4life
                          wrote on last edited by Canes4life
                          #1467

                          @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                          And the other Barrett for fullback.

                          Keep your dirty mitts off the best Barrett. 🙂

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • N Nogusta

                            @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                            And the other Barrett for fullback.

                            I reckon you could be onto something there....:shushing_face:

                            KirwanK Offline
                            KirwanK Offline
                            Kirwan
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1468

                            @Nogusta said in Blues 2020:

                            @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                            And the other Barrett for fullback.

                            I reckon you could be onto something there....:shushing_face:

                            Virtual chocolate fish for my favourite poster 🙂

                            N 1 Reply Last reply
                            1
                            • KirwanK Kirwan

                              @Nogusta said in Blues 2020:

                              @Kirwan said in Blues 2020:

                              And the other Barrett for fullback.

                              I reckon you could be onto something there....:shushing_face:

                              Virtual chocolate fish for my favourite poster 🙂

                              N Offline
                              N Offline
                              Nogusta
                              wrote on last edited by Nogusta
                              #1469

                              @Kirwan I know nussing....🤐

                              gt12G 1 Reply Last reply
                              1
                              • N Nogusta

                                @Kirwan I know nussing....🤐

                                gt12G Offline
                                gt12G Offline
                                gt12
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1470

                                @Nogusta

                                If that turns out, this guys gets my nomination for Ferner tip of the year. I'm posting this so I can find it easily later.

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                0
                                • Daffy JaffyD Daffy Jaffy

                                  taniwharugbyT Offline
                                  taniwharugbyT Offline
                                  taniwharugby
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1471

                                  @Daffy-Jaffy thanks for that, nice (tinged with sadness) watch.

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  0
                                  • TimT Away
                                    TimT Away
                                    Tim
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1472

                                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300069822/super-rugby-aotearoa-ofa-tuungafasi-goes-next-level-to-achieve-the-grunt-up-front

                                    1 Reply Last reply
                                    3
                                    • TimT Away
                                      TimT Away
                                      Tim
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1473

                                      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12352670

                                      1 Reply Last reply
                                      3
                                      • TimT Away
                                        TimT Away
                                        Tim
                                        wrote on last edited by Tim
                                        #1474

                                        Loose forward injuries are certainly mounting:

                                        Robinson
                                        Sotutu
                                        Gibson
                                        Papalii

                                        I wonder if GCT can play six?

                                        KiwiMurphK 1 Reply Last reply
                                        0
                                        • TimT Tim

                                          Loose forward injuries are certainly mounting:

                                          Robinson
                                          Sotutu
                                          Gibson
                                          Papalii

                                          I wonder if GCT can play six?

                                          KiwiMurphK Online
                                          KiwiMurphK Online
                                          KiwiMurph
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1475

                                          @Tim said in Blues 2020:

                                          Loose forward injuries are certainly mounting:

                                          Robinson
                                          Sotutu
                                          Gibson
                                          Papalii

                                          I wonder if GCT can play six?

                                          It's WRK time surely.

                                          1 Reply Last reply
                                          2
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Don't have an account? Register

                                          • Search
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Search