'Super Rugby' 2021
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@nzzp Because money. It's fine if you're the NFL and can pull a TV audience of 16m each game. But we aren't the NFL.
Unless we can find private equity money, both the NZRU and RA are reliant on TV revenue. And to get that revenue, we to provide more than 11 weeks of content.
It's a shitty situation to be in, because we are forced to choose (somewhat) between quality and quantity. Both in terms of how many rounds and how many teams in the comp itself.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@nzzp Because money. It's fine if you're the NFL and can pull a TV audience of 16m each game. But we aren't the NFL.
would love to know what the vieweing numbers were for Super 12 when it was running. Also, remember there are internationals as well -- so you get a 14-15 week comp (depending on byes), and then another 3-6 top tier international games (plus all the overseas ones). Then you can run an amateur or semi-pro comp internally before an end of year tour
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for comparison, from 2005 (still Super 12)
https://www.allblacks.com/news/rugby-viewership-and-match-attendances-rise/
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I just want to watch a couple of good games of rugby each weekend, like we are getting now. I don't believe that reducing the quality increases the viewership.
So the TB networks will have to play replays or find other content rather than playing cripple fight, no contest, matches.
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We've been down the road of "more teams, more fixtures, more money" and we've seen what has happened to a competition that used to be the best in the world.
If I wanted to watch a weekly dirge that never seemed to end, I'd watch NH club rugby.
It's all well and good looking for more fixtures, but selling advertisement space for declining viewership makes no sense.
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There's a medium that can be found between bloated Super 18 and super intense but not sustainable Super Rugby Aotearoa.
Let's say they look at 10 teams - 5 Aus 5 NZ - for 2021 where everyone plays everyone once and then you play 4 teams twice.
I'd like to see the 4 teams twice be 2 teams from NZ and 2 teams from Aus so that it's somewhat fair.
It then ends up being a nice balance between extra NZ derbies/Aus derbies and fairness.
Of course it's not perfect - some teams will draw Crusaders twice and others will draw Force twice - but it's heading in the right direction.
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@Snowy said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
You take that back now. The Waratahs were the most deserving teams across all competitions and all years.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Snowy said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
You take that back now. The Waratahs were the most
deservingwell-resourced and underperforming teams across all competitions and all years.FTFY
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@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Snowy said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
You take that back now. The Waratahs were the most
deservingwell-resourced and underperforming teams across all competitions and all years.FTFY
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Snowy said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
You take that back now. The Waratahs were the most
deservingwell-resourced and underperforming teams across all competitions and all years.FTFY
Well resourced and underperforming we may well have been, but we were also capital-c Champions in 2014. And it's my sole purpose here to remind you all of that fact as much as I possibly can.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Snowy said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
You take that back now. The Waratahs were the most
deservingwell-resourced and underperforming teams across all competitions and all years.FTFY
Well resourced and underperforming we may well have been, but we were also capital-c Champions in 2014. And it's my sole purpose here to remind you all of that fact as much as I possibly can.
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Snowy said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
You take that back now. The Waratahs were the most
deservingwell-resourced and underperforming teams across all competitions and all years.FTFY
Well resourced and underperforming we may well have been, but we were also capital-c Champions in 2014. And it's my sole purpose here to remind you all of that fact as much as I possibly can.
should really have won half a dozen by then.
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I have to defer to the opinions of those who have lived in Melbourne more recently than I, but I still maintain a Rebels team performing at a high level against all-comers would create a lot of interest. Whatever happened to the old saying that they could pack the MCG out for the opening of an envelope?
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I have to defer to the opinions of those who have lived in Melbourne more recently than I, but I still maintain a Rebels team performing at a high level against all-comers would create a lot of interest. Whatever happened to the old saying that they could pack the MCG out for the opening of an envelope?
I'm not sure it holds up anymore. I recall in '99 there was a lot interest in the Storm winning the NRL. However, since then, and even though they've been even more successful, the interest just isn't there.
There's heaps of reasons why the interest isn't there for domestic rugby. But, for me, the most important are those I've already mentioned and, to be frank, parochialism - Victorians are very parochial and very proud of their (village) game. The NRL, another domestic competition, is a threat to that. So is any domestic rugby comp. The Wallabies, being an international representative team who plays, at best, once a year in Melbourne is not a threat to that and so is easy to get behind.
Another hurdle is that all of the big Victorian clubs have had some measure of success in the last 15 years or so and the AFL comp can be quite unpredictable. This means that your average potential casual fan of the Rebels is likely to be far more engaged in their AFL team and for longer stretches of the AFL season.
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just to removed any doubt, these are the reported memberships for the AFL clubs last year
im sure there is some creative accounting but that is the size the the beast Rugby is trying to compete with in Melbourne even before you looks at the A-League and the Storm and hell, the VFL gets some ok crowds, i go to watch Port Melbourne more often than anything else
there were multiple games last season that were mid table, mid season, so not playoffs or teams on a great run of form...and we're over 80k in the ground...they love their clubs
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
just to removed any doubt, these are the reported memberships for the AFL clubs last year
im sure there is some creative accounting but that is the size the the beast Rugby is trying to compete with in Melbourne even before you looks at the A-League and the Storm and hell, the VFL gets some ok crowds, i go to watch Port Melbourne more often than anything else
there were multiple games last season that were mid table, mid season, so not playoffs or teams on a great run of form...and we're over 80k in the ground...they love their clubs
That is quite incredible. How is it that both the Swans and the Giants can have that many memberships in league and union heartland? How many memberships have the Tags got? Less than the Giants it would seem. That's an absolute disgrace.
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
just to removed any doubt, these are the reported memberships for the AFL clubs last year
im sure there is some creative accounting but that is the size the the beast Rugby is trying to compete with in Melbourne even before you looks at the A-League and the Storm and hell, the VFL gets some ok crowds, i go to watch Port Melbourne more often than anything else
there were multiple games last season that were mid table, mid season, so not playoffs or teams on a great run of form...and we're over 80k in the ground...they love their clubs
That is quite incredible. How is it that both the Swans and the Giants can have that many memberships in league and union heartland? How many memberships have the Tags got? Less than the Giants it would seem. That's an absolute disgrace.
@junior there is always small details like out of state memberships, the swans have a decent number of those as they were originally from south melbourne and still have a decent support base there, until the 200's their academy team was the Port Melbourne VFL side, similar things could be said for the Lions i would say
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@junior there is always small details like out of state memberships, the swans have a decent number of those as they were originally from south melbourne and still have a decent support base there, until the 200's their academy team was the Port Melbourne VFL side, similar things could be said for the Lions i would say
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@junior there is always small details like out of state memberships, the swans have a decent number of those as they were originally from south melbourne and still have a decent support base there, until the 200's their academy team was the Port Melbourne VFL side, similar things could be said for the Lions i would say
Yeah, I get that. I'm more interested in the Giants membership figures, which I find quite staggering.
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@booboo i know i'm continuously explaining the difference between Union and League to well meaning aussies when they try engage in some rugby chat, thats melbourne thought
But they know they're different sports. And I'm sure they know which one has an international profile and which doesn't. Explaining the difference is something else entirely. The point is, I reckon if the Storm and the Rebels each played a final at the MCG; the Storm vs the Roosters and the Rebels vs the Crusaders - with the proviso that they're equally well marketed - the latter would draw a much larger crowd because the game has an international profile and that would spin their wheels hard. Likewise a BC test vs a Kiwis vs Kangaroos test. And lastly, if you asked your average Victorian which of the two Australia national sides they knew of, the vast majority would say the Wallabies.
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@booboo i know i'm continuously explaining the difference between Union and League to well meaning aussies when they try engage in some rugby chat, thats melbourne thought
But they know they're different sports. And I'm sure they know which one has an international profile and which doesn't. Explaining the difference is something else entirely. The point is, I reckon if the Storm and the Rebels each played a final at the MCG; the Storm vs the Roosters and the Rebels vs the Crusaders - with the proviso that they're equally well marketed - the latter would draw a much larger crowd because the game has an international profile and that would spin their wheels hard. Likewise a BC test vs a Kiwis vs Kangaroos test. And lastly, if you asked your average Victorian which of the two Australia national sides they knew of, the vast majority would say the Wallabies.
Really? I'm always surprised how many don't
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If I had to pick an Aussie team to drop, I'd struggle. Brumbies have history but Canberra is less than 400k population. Melbourne is saturated but also a key market. Perth is so far but the market isn't as saturated and they seem to have a decent following.
