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    @kpkanz said in North vs South:

    Exactly. The reaction feels completely over the top, especially considering he was in great form before his injury last year. On top of that, most of the Chiefs AB's have been poor under Gatland this year (ALB another example who had a very average super season).

    Well he shouldn't be picked on the basis of his pre-injury form.

    As you stated, most other players errors don't seem to attract the same level of criticism, considering Clarke was the major culprit for the conceded try yet no one seems to take any notice of that.

    Yes it was a bad error from Clarke that directly lead to the try. He'll hopefully learn from that a lot quicker than DMac appears to learn from his errors.

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    @Nevorian said in North vs South:

    can't trust those south islanders, hope the trophy is safe

    Like Dixon and Hunt. 😉

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    I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.

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    @cgrant said in North vs South:

    I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.

    I think its a matter of no one else.
    Tupou Vaa'i is 20 ? Maybe they see a lot of potential there.

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    I thought Rieko looked like a centre for about the first time I've seen. He might turn into a classy centre like Tana did.

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    @cgrant said in North vs South:

    I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.

    do we think Selby-Rickitt night need to few more games and time after his legal issues before he's honoured with a black jersey, wonder if the selectors wanted to avoid some questions when there is nothing riding of this squad

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    @Darren said in North vs South:

    @cgrant said in North vs South:

    I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.

    I think its a matter of no one else.
    Tupou Vaa'i is 20 ? Maybe they see a lot of potential there.

    Vaa'i is a punt on the future for sure. Could pay off big time.

    I'm not so sure about Strange but will admit to not paying much attention to him.

    I was surprised with Selby-Rickett and he also looked to be a sizable unit as well. I have a bias over his off field behavior but he could still be worth watching closely.

    Thought Scrafton looked like this was his top level.

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    @Kiwiwomble said in North vs South:

    @cgrant said in North vs South:

    I have been impressed by Selby-Rickitt. The best lock on the paddock was Sam Whitelock, but he came second best IMO. I still don't understand the Vaa'i's and Strange's selections.

    do we think Selby-Rickitt night need to few more games and time after his legal issues before he's honoured with a black jersey, wonder if the selectors wanted to avoid some questions when there is nothing riding of this squad

    They didn't care last year.

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    @Nepia someone different in the big chair 🤷🏻♂ regret not caring 🤷🏻♂ ...or just this is a bit of a nothing squad so why take a gamble

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    I assume that Pari Pari Parkinson would have been ahead of Vaa'i if not injured?

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    @Nepia said in North vs South:

    I assume that Pari Pari Parkinson would have been ahead of Vaa'i if not injured?

    The selectors have a hard on for Vaa'i. I think P3 might be fighting Strange for a spot (or all three would be there anyway)

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    Would’ve been interesting to see who made it if all locks were available. I assume S. Barrett would’ve made it with Whitelock and Tuipulotu.

    Does Strange, Vaa’i or P3 get the 4th spot?

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    @ACT-Crusader I like the extra height PPP provides but he lacks a little on physicality at this stage.

    Given that the AB squad was essentially selected before the game, Selby-Rickitt would have started ahead of Dunshea if he was a genuine chance of making the ABs at this point in time.

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    @Bovidae its always amazing how different people see different stuff in the same games, the first time i remember PPP playing for the landers he one on one tackled someone then held them up on his own...this might be why i always see the physicality and think its one of his main strengths

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    @Kiwiwomble As I said I rate him, but he needs to put on a few kegs to his lean frame to make himself a more effective ball-carrier.

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    @ACT-Crusader said in North vs South:

    Would’ve been interesting to see who made it if all locks were available. I assume S. Barrett would’ve made it with Whitelock and Tuipulotu.

    Does Strange, Vaa’i or P3 get the 4th spot?

    In one of Plumtree's interviews he was asked about Strange's selection and his response was underwhelming (generic fluff followed by a comment about the good coaches he's already played under)

    I'd guess one of the other two players would make it

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    @Duluth said in North vs South:

    @ACT-Crusader said in North vs South:

    Would’ve been interesting to see who made it if all locks were available. I assume S. Barrett would’ve made it with Whitelock and Tuipulotu.

    Does Strange, Vaa’i or P3 get the 4th spot?

    In one of Plumtree's interviews he was asked about Strange's selection and his response was underwhelming (generic fluff followed by a comment about the good coaches he's already played under)

    I'd guess one of the other two players would make it

    I assume he was upset that Fozzie overruled him opting for Strange over Blackwell.

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    @Bovidae said in North vs South:

    @Kiwiwomble As I said I rate him, but he needs to put on a few kegs to his lean frame to make himself a more effective ball-carrier.

    I'm in the middle, I think his game has come on to the point where he's got the goods, but there's still room to bulk up and become an absolute monster. He carries deceptively well, lumbers through tackles with his long legs where it seems he shouldn't as he's way too upright, same when he hits front on in defence. Him and Selby-Rickett have a similar style imo.

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  • ACT CrusaderA Offline
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    @Duluth said in North vs South:

    @ACT-Crusader said in North vs South:

    Would’ve been interesting to see who made it if all locks were available. I assume S. Barrett would’ve made it with Whitelock and Tuipulotu.

    Does Strange, Vaa’i or P3 get the 4th spot?

    In one of Plumtree's interviews he was asked about Strange's selection and his response was underwhelming (generic fluff followed by a comment about the good coaches he's already played under)

    I'd guess one of the other two players would make it

    Strange was a massive surprise to me. But we are talking potentially about 5th and 6th options so they were pushing it up hill a bit.

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    DMac watch. Only bothered with anything decently noticeable or that added/subtracted from his game.

    4:05 - kicked a conversion.
    8:45 - gets into good position to defend Jordan on chip through from Mounga.
    10:05 - spills a high kick in traffic but it was going back for a penalty anyway.
    12:23 - gets ball off BB with slight overlap and kicks, looks like a waste but then bounces awkwardly back to Aumua who turns over.
    16:20 - gets pass in 22 from under pressure BB and runs around Dunshea then frees Aumua...who kicks...luckily JB puts it out on the full from the resulting possession.
    17:20 - Try! Catch & pass to put Clarke away then backs up to get it back off TJP. Put it down one handed and also stared meanly at someone.
    34:37 Catch & Pass to put Reece away on the right after an ALB offload.

    So a pretty handy first half, just that kick which irked me and could probably have been used better.

    40:25 - Savea turnover in the oppo 22, DMac gets it at first receiver running diagonally at Faingaanuku, who has 2 defenders outside him, DMac has 4 attackers. Holds onto it and gets chopped by Goodhue, pops the ball to Sotutu who carries it 5 and then penalty. Try gone begging.
    44:15 - Counter attack in NI 22, catch and pass to Reece in space who runs then clears.
    45:45 - Try Smith! Gets ball at 2nd receiver running on angle and skips to Sotutu who busts and offloads back to him to swing it into Smith.
    52:19 - well positioned on short side D to shutdown outside break for Bridge, then gets in Webers way on the penalty quick tap that followed.
    52:42 Barrett cleans up loose ball and DMac is at first receiver with bugger all options from the breakdown, grubbers and Clarke regathers.
    57:30 Savea turnover, gets ball at 1st receiver on 40m, Roane cuts in towards what looks like an opening hole on 45m and DMac dummies, all the while running on diagonal, ALB has to straighten then DMac throws pass outside him as he gets tackled and has to watch everyone except Clarke and Jordan stop.
    61:07 Switches side at breakdown 30m out to help lessen danger on short side break - doesn't do a heck of a lot except wave but most likely helped.
    65:49 at first received and pops a good ball to Clarke straightening into a big hole.
    66:01 Try Roane! At first receiver, catch & pass to Roane who puts the after burners on.
    72:15 Puts up a mahoosive defensive bomb and nobody chases.
    73:06 gets tap back from Dixon and throws good wide pass to PUJ, who taps to Hunt who releases Roane and ALB for a good break.

    So that's about it, exciting eh!

    Look, he wasn't utter shit, but if you want to say he's creating things like Roane's try, you have to accept he's costing tries when he gets chopped or turns it over running on the diagonal. Trying to apportion the same sort of blame or more to a guy playing his first game at this level is all kinds of absurd - a try had just gone begging and he was trying to keep the ball alive as he must have thought it was still on. He hasn't played umpteen number of tests. That's a 14 pointer, plus the 7 pointer from just after halftime.

    All in all, I'm left wondering....why the funk is he not a goal-kicking halfback that can cover 10? All his best work was done in linking from halfback type scenarios. He'd be electric. When he's given too much time and space is when we see the dross.

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