2020 New Zealand U20s
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@Bovidae said in 2020 New Zealand U20s:
MacDonald would be a good choice amongst the SR coaches.
If you look at the overall record of the U20 coaches the results have been getting worse:
Rennie (2008-10, 1st, 1st, 1st)
Anscombe (2011, 1st)
Penney (2012, 2nd)
Boyd (2013-14, 4th, 3rd)
Robertson (2015-16, 1st, 5th)
Philpott (2017-19, 1st, 4th, 7th)Ieremia and Tiatia would be worth a look too, have made a massive difference to Auckland and the Blues.
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@Bovidae Not sure you can really say that if you looke at the coaches before Philpott. Boyd never coached a team that became first; Robertson did. Penny and Anscombe only coached them one year; you don't know what would have happened if they'd had another year. Rennie definitely the most successful.
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To be fair, the effort and money put in from other countries has substantially increased over the last few years, not only from Northern Hemisphere teams but also Australia and Fiji who's players are together far longer than ours pre-tournament.
I like the Super Rugby assistants idea, there will definitely be camps during super season and you could justify an assistant leaving for a week but not the head coach. Due to timing I doubt M10 coaches could coach both & in the current environment, it'd take a bit of convincing to leave your job for something that may not eventuate next year. -
@Stargazer said in 2020 New Zealand U20s:
@Kirwan Looking at M10 Cup coaches, there are way more options, but I think it would be good to have higher level coaches (SR coaches).
Like who? These two have a great track record now of bringing through younger players.
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@Stargazer Philpott also coached a team that finished first, but the following 2 years have been disappointing with selections and performance.
The loss to Ireland in 2016 under Robertson would have to be one of the worst I've seen. The forwards got completely dominated.
As the article says, it isn't all about Ws and Ls.
“The main driver of our program is the development of future professionals,” Anthony said. “The challenge with that is that with any team in black there’s an expectation to win. “That program would look really different if our total aim was to win a world championship. “You’d pick a team early, you'd probably tour the northern hemisphere, so our players could get exposed to a very different style of play, which they get exposed at tournaments and sometimes struggle with.” -
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@Stargazer said in 2020 New Zealand U20s:
@Kirwan Andrew Goodman (also a SR assistant coach) and Clayton McMillan (next year's Chiefs interim coach), for example.
Well in Goodman's case he was coaching the most stacked team in the comp Ta$man and in McMillan's case he already has Chiefs and Maori All Blacks so i'd say his plate is fairly full.
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Speaking of U20s - I found this article interesting.
New Zealand Rugby believes it has tapped into a rich seam of big, tight-five players who would already be known to a wider audience had the World Rugby under-20 championship not been cancelled this year due to Covid-19. Two products from last year's under-20 program – Tupou Vaa’i and Cullen Grace – have progressed into an All Blacks squad this year, wand Taranaki lock Vaa’i is so young that he still qualified for the under-20 side this year. However, there are also high hopes within NZ Rugby for a further quartet of strong prospects – Sam Darry, Josh Lord, Fletcher Newell and Tamaiti Williams – who will instead be developed through the Mitre 10 Cup and Super Rugby. -
@KiwiMurph Not mentioned in the article (which focuses on the tight-five), but I assume Devan Flanders will be on their radar, too.
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@Stargazer Yeah I found it interesting in line with the comments from a poster the other day about recent U20 locks and their heights.
Agreed on Flanders he looked a real standout at U20 level in a fairly average team around him. Hopefully he can push for more game time for the Canes next year.
