SA Rugby
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It seems unlikely the Springboks who play for English and French clubs will be involved in the Rugby Championship this year.
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Line-ups for the Green v Gold match. According to Sky's Facebook page, this game will be LIVE on Sky Sport 1 from 4.00am (at the moment I'm writing this, it isn't in Sky's online tv schedule, yet).
Springbok Green:
15 – Gianni Lombard
14 – Yaw Penxe
13 – Wandisile Simelane
12 – Frans Steyn
11 – Malcolm Jaer
10 – Elton Jantjies
9 – Sanele Nohamba
8 – Duane Vermeulen
7 – Arno Botha
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain)
5 – Hyron Andrews
4 – JD Schickerling
3 – Luan de Bruin
2 – Bongi Mbonambi
1 – Ox NcheReplacements:
16 – Schalk Erasmus
17 – Kwenzo Blose
18 – Thomas du Toit
19 – JJ van der Mescht
20 – Juarno Augustus
21 – Junior Pokomela
22 – Embrose Papier
23 – Manie Libbok
24 – Jeremy Ward
25 – Kade WolhuterSpringbok Gold:
15 – Warrick Gelant
14 – Rosko Specman
13 – Lukhanyo Am (captain)
12 – Rikus Pretorius
11 – Courtnall Skosan
10 – Damian Willemse
9 – Herschel Jantjies
8 – Sikhumbuzo Notshe
7 – Nizaam Carr
6 – Marco van Staden
5 – Marvin Orie
4 – Salmaan Moerat
3 – Ruan Dreyer
2 – Scarra Ntubeni
1 – Steven KitshoffReplacements:
16 – Dylan Richardson
17 – Dylan Smith
18 – Carlü Sadie
19 – Jason Jenkins
20 – James Venter
21 – Vincent Tshituka
22 – Ivan van Zyl
23 – Curwin Bosch
24 – Werner Kok
25 – Manuel Rass -
Line-ups for the Green v Gold match. According to Sky's Facebook page, this game will be LIVE on Sky Sport 1 from 4.00am (at the moment I'm writing this, it isn't in Sky's online tv schedule, yet).
Springbok Green:
15 – Gianni Lombard
14 – Yaw Penxe
13 – Wandisile Simelane
12 – Frans Steyn
11 – Malcolm Jaer
10 – Elton Jantjies
9 – Sanele Nohamba
8 – Duane Vermeulen
7 – Arno Botha
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain)
5 – Hyron Andrews
4 – JD Schickerling
3 – Luan de Bruin
2 – Bongi Mbonambi
1 – Ox NcheReplacements:
16 – Schalk Erasmus
17 – Kwenzo Blose
18 – Thomas du Toit
19 – JJ van der Mescht
20 – Juarno Augustus
21 – Junior Pokomela
22 – Embrose Papier
23 – Manie Libbok
24 – Jeremy Ward
25 – Kade WolhuterSpringbok Gold:
15 – Warrick Gelant
14 – Rosko Specman
13 – Lukhanyo Am (captain)
12 – Rikus Pretorius
11 – Courtnall Skosan
10 – Damian Willemse
9 – Herschel Jantjies
8 – Sikhumbuzo Notshe
7 – Nizaam Carr
6 – Marco van Staden
5 – Marvin Orie
4 – Salmaan Moerat
3 – Ruan Dreyer
2 – Scarra Ntubeni
1 – Steven KitshoffReplacements:
16 – Dylan Richardson
17 – Dylan Smith
18 – Carlü Sadie
19 – Jason Jenkins
20 – James Venter
21 – Vincent Tshituka
22 – Ivan van Zyl
23 – Curwin Bosch
24 – Werner Kok
25 – Manuel Rass@Stargazer said in Springboks moving forward:
Line-ups for the Green v Gold match. According to Sky's Facebook page, this game will be LIVE on Sky Sport 1 from 4.00am (at the moment I'm writing this, it isn't in Sky's online tv schedule, yet).
Springbok Green:
15 – Gianni Lombard
14 – Yaw Penxe
13 – Wandisile Simelane
12 – Frans Steyn
11 – Malcolm Jaer
10 – Elton Jantjies
9 – Sanele Nohamba
8 – Duane Vermeulen
7 – Arno Botha
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain)
5 – Hyron Andrews
4 – JD Schickerling
3 – Luan de Bruin
2 – Bongi Mbonambi
1 – Ox NcheReplacements:
16 – Schalk Erasmus
17 – Kwenzo Blose
18 – Thomas du Toit
19 – JJ van der Mescht
20 – Juarno Augustus
21 – Junior Pokomela
22 – Embrose Papier
23 – Manie Libbok
24 – Jeremy Ward
25 – Kade WolhuterSpringbok Gold:
15 – Warrick Gelant
14 – Rosko Specman
13 – Lukhanyo Am (captain)
12 – Rikus Pretorius
11 – Courtnall Skosan
10 – Damian Willemse
9 – Herschel Jantjies
8 – Sikhumbuzo Notshe
7 – Nizaam Carr
6 – Marco van Staden
5 – Marvin Orie
4 – Salmaan Moerat
3 – Ruan Dreyer
2 – Scarra Ntubeni
1 – Steven KitshoffReplacements:
16 – Dylan Richardson
17 – Dylan Smith
18 – Carlü Sadie
19 – Jason Jenkins
20 – James Venter
21 – Vincent Tshituka
22 – Ivan van Zyl
23 – Curwin Bosch
24 – Werner Kok
25 – Manuel RassI have obviously not been keeping a track of SA rugby. I recognise only 17 of those 50 names.
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@Stargazer said in Springboks moving forward:
Line-ups for the Green v Gold match. According to Sky's Facebook page, this game will be LIVE on Sky Sport 1 from 4.00am (at the moment I'm writing this, it isn't in Sky's online tv schedule, yet).
Springbok Green:
15 – Gianni Lombard
14 – Yaw Penxe
13 – Wandisile Simelane
12 – Frans Steyn
11 – Malcolm Jaer
10 – Elton Jantjies
9 – Sanele Nohamba
8 – Duane Vermeulen
7 – Arno Botha
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain)
5 – Hyron Andrews
4 – JD Schickerling
3 – Luan de Bruin
2 – Bongi Mbonambi
1 – Ox NcheReplacements:
16 – Schalk Erasmus
17 – Kwenzo Blose
18 – Thomas du Toit
19 – JJ van der Mescht
20 – Juarno Augustus
21 – Junior Pokomela
22 – Embrose Papier
23 – Manie Libbok
24 – Jeremy Ward
25 – Kade WolhuterSpringbok Gold:
15 – Warrick Gelant
14 – Rosko Specman
13 – Lukhanyo Am (captain)
12 – Rikus Pretorius
11 – Courtnall Skosan
10 – Damian Willemse
9 – Herschel Jantjies
8 – Sikhumbuzo Notshe
7 – Nizaam Carr
6 – Marco van Staden
5 – Marvin Orie
4 – Salmaan Moerat
3 – Ruan Dreyer
2 – Scarra Ntubeni
1 – Steven KitshoffReplacements:
16 – Dylan Richardson
17 – Dylan Smith
18 – Carlü Sadie
19 – Jason Jenkins
20 – James Venter
21 – Vincent Tshituka
22 – Ivan van Zyl
23 – Curwin Bosch
24 – Werner Kok
25 – Manuel RassI have obviously not been keeping a track of SA rugby. I recognise only 17 of those 50 names.
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@booboo Haha, it's not just you. I only recognise a few more. There are quite a few Blitzboks in the squads.
@Stargazer said in Springboks moving forward:
@booboo Haha, it's not just you. I only recognise a few more. There are quite a few Blitzboks in the squads.
Yeah. Some of the names I recognise.
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Full time score:
Green 25 - 9 Gold
Match report and highlights video in this article: https://supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/201003_Many_errors_but_many_lessons_learnt_in_Springbok_Showdown
Also, see this quote:But it did also remind us that the Springboks’ chances of going to the Rugby Championship are slim to say the least and a good argument of being underdone can be made on the evidence of Saturday afternoon.
I really wonder when they're going to take the decision about their participation in the RC. Surely, they can't wait that long anymore?
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Full time score:
Green 25 - 9 Gold
Match report and highlights video in this article: https://supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/201003_Many_errors_but_many_lessons_learnt_in_Springbok_Showdown
Also, see this quote:But it did also remind us that the Springboks’ chances of going to the Rugby Championship are slim to say the least and a good argument of being underdone can be made on the evidence of Saturday afternoon.
I really wonder when they're going to take the decision about their participation in the RC. Surely, they can't wait that long anymore?
@Stargazer said in Springboks moving forward:
Full time score:
Green 25 - 9 Gold
Match report and highlights video in this article: https://supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/201003_Many_errors_but_many_lessons_learnt_in_Springbok_Showdown
Also, see this quote:But it did also remind us that the Springboks’ chances of going to the Rugby Championship are slim to say the least and a good argument of being underdone can be made on the evidence of Saturday afternoon.
I really wonder when they're going to take the decision about their participation in the RC. Surely, they can't wait that long anymore?
Didn't see the Bokke trial, and have no desire too, but listened to Tony Johnson on Devlin's show over the weekend who made mention of the benefit of NZ making our game a North v South clash, to give it some meaning, rather than a meaningless trial and noted his comment about how it became about individuals wanting to be noticed.
Anyone watch the Green v Gold who can comment?
What would be the natural split for SA without invoking age old animosity?
I suspect Coastal v Veldt is essentially English v Afrikaaner ...
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Three fact is, even if the boks are ok to play, they are too precious about their world ranking and won't come. Which is sad, but things like that they actually care about. Foster's idea to can rugby ranking use the best thing to come out off his mouth so far. Stops lame excuses
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Three fact is, even if the boks are ok to play, they are too precious about their world ranking and won't come. Which is sad, but things like that they actually care about. Foster's idea to can rugby ranking use the best thing to come out off his mouth so far. Stops lame excuses
@Machpants said in Springboks moving forward:
Three fact is, even if the boks are ok to play, they are too precious about their world ranking and won't come. Which is sad, but things like that they actually care about. Foster's idea to can rugby ranking use the best thing to come out off his mouth so far. Stops lame excuses
Can't agree with any of this at all.
A couple of facts from the Republic:- Everyone, including the players and fans would love for rugby, and test matches in particular to return.
- But unlike NZ, South Africa had a very strict Covid lockdown in place, for an extended period of time.
- Rugby has only just resumed here.
- Many of the Bok 1st choice players are based in the UK, who still are on a restricted travel list to SA - so no chance of them joining up for training.
I don't see it being in anyone's interest to send a sub-strength, under-cooked Bok side to play tests.
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@Machpants said in Springboks moving forward:
Three fact is, even if the boks are ok to play, they are too precious about their world ranking and won't come. Which is sad, but things like that they actually care about. Foster's idea to can rugby ranking use the best thing to come out off his mouth so far. Stops lame excuses
Can't agree with any of this at all.
A couple of facts from the Republic:- Everyone, including the players and fans would love for rugby, and test matches in particular to return.
- But unlike NZ, South Africa had a very strict Covid lockdown in place, for an extended period of time.
- Rugby has only just resumed here.
- Many of the Bok 1st choice players are based in the UK, who still are on a restricted travel list to SA - so no chance of them joining up for training.
I don't see it being in anyone's interest to send a sub-strength, under-cooked Bok side to play tests.
Would hardly be a test now would it?@Billy-Webb said in Springboks moving forward:
I don't see it being in anyone's interest to send a sub-strength, under-cooked Bok side to play tests.
Would hardly be a test now would it?Not only that, but it also increases the risk of injury. So it's also a player welfare issue.
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@Machpants said in Springboks moving forward:
Three fact is, even if the boks are ok to play, they are too precious about their world ranking and won't come. Which is sad, but things like that they actually care about. Foster's idea to can rugby ranking use the best thing to come out off his mouth so far. Stops lame excuses
Can't agree with any of this at all.
A couple of facts from the Republic:- Everyone, including the players and fans would love for rugby, and test matches in particular to return.
- But unlike NZ, South Africa had a very strict Covid lockdown in place, for an extended period of time.
- Rugby has only just resumed here.
- Many of the Bok 1st choice players are based in the UK, who still are on a restricted travel list to SA - so no chance of them joining up for training.
I don't see it being in anyone's interest to send a sub-strength, under-cooked Bok side to play tests.
Would hardly be a test now would it?@Billy-Webb said in Springboks moving forward:
I don't see it being in anyone's interest to send a sub-strength, under-cooked Bok side to play tests.
Would hardly be a test now would it?Froma rugby sense, not at all.
From a financial sense, absolutely. Internationals is wehre the money is - if you don't want a massive hole in your finances, you put out a team of some form, no matter if you get beaten.
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We get sub strength teams sent from NH all the time, it's pandemic time, you gotta just do your best. I agree that it could be a player welfare issue but if they play until they get to Oz, they should be fine. Cest la vie, it is what it is
@Machpants said in Springboks moving forward:
We get sub strength teams sent from NH all the time, it's pandemic time, you gotta just do your best. I agree that it could be a player welfare issue but if they play until they get to Oz, they should be fine. Cest la vie, it is what it is
Fair enough, although I'd like to think that the Boks have too much respect for the AB rivalry to deliberately field a sub-strength team.
As @nzzp says, there is a financial consideration, although for me the player welfare consideration @Stargazer raises more than balances that.Still, no decision taken as yet (that I know of) so let's see.
If they are planning on going, they need to get a ton of rugby under the belt before then. Everyone looked really rusty and below par fitness wise in the Green v Gold match. -
@Machpants said in Springboks moving forward:
We get sub strength teams sent from NH all the time, it's pandemic time, you gotta just do your best. I agree that it could be a player welfare issue but if they play until they get to Oz, they should be fine. Cest la vie, it is what it is
Fair enough, although I'd like to think that the Boks have too much respect for the AB rivalry to deliberately field a sub-strength team.
As @nzzp says, there is a financial consideration, although for me the player welfare consideration @Stargazer raises more than balances that.Still, no decision taken as yet (that I know of) so let's see.
If they are planning on going, they need to get a ton of rugby under the belt before then. Everyone looked really rusty and below par fitness wise in the Green v Gold match. -
@Billy-Webb yeah it's a bit crap. Also even if the Boks want to come they still have to get govt permission, international touring has been banned as I understand it?
@Machpants I am struggling to keep track of all the bans / restrictions / rules these days
But yes, I suspect the NZ government has to give the green light, and our lot too.
If I recall correctly, NZ is now on the latest allowed travel list into SA. Not sure what the story is for travel into NZ from here anyway.For me, the Boks are better off to just forget this year. We have the BIL's touring here next year (hopefully!) and they may as well start focusing on that rather than risking a rushed program this year.
Sad to miss out on international rugby this year - but it has been such a circus show of a year, I am learning to live with a lot of things.
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@Machpants I am struggling to keep track of all the bans / restrictions / rules these days
But yes, I suspect the NZ government has to give the green light, and our lot too.
If I recall correctly, NZ is now on the latest allowed travel list into SA. Not sure what the story is for travel into NZ from here anyway.For me, the Boks are better off to just forget this year. We have the BIL's touring here next year (hopefully!) and they may as well start focusing on that rather than risking a rushed program this year.
Sad to miss out on international rugby this year - but it has been such a circus show of a year, I am learning to live with a lot of things.
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@Billy-Webb No they're coming to Oz, not NZ, and have got the green light from Oz. But I think SA govt has banned international sporting tours
@Machpants said in Springboks moving forward:
@Billy-Webb No they're coming to Oz, not NZ, and have got the green light from Oz. But I think SA govt has banned international sporting tours
Hahaha. Shows you how up to date I am. Thanks for clarifying.
(Our govt lot just make this shit up as they go along and as I said, hard to keep it all straight)
We have cricket players at the IPL, rugby players in France and the UK, cyclists in Italy... but international sporting tours.... -
@Machpants said in Springboks moving forward:
@Billy-Webb No they're coming to Oz, not NZ, and have got the green light from Oz. But I think SA govt has banned international sporting tours
Hahaha. Shows you how up to date I am. Thanks for clarifying.
(Our govt lot just make this shit up as they go along and as I said, hard to keep it all straight)
We have cricket players at the IPL, rugby players in France and the UK, cyclists in Italy... but international sporting tours....@Billy-Webb Yeah It was a line from one of the coaches after Green v Gold, first I'd heard of it! I think they should get dispensation, not like they're off to a covid hotspot
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Sa rugby
Springbok squad for the Castle Lager Outgoing Tour:Props:
Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks) – 13 caps, 0 pts
Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 56 caps, 5pts (1t)
Vincent Koch (Saracens) – 28 caps, 0 pts
Ox Nché (Cell C Sharks) – 6 caps, 0pts
Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 51 caps, 5pts (1t)Hookers:
Joseph Dweba (Bordeaux Bègles) – 1 cap, 0 pts
Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 43 caps, 45 pts (9t)
Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 45 caps, 45 pts (9t)Locks:
Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 53 caps, 25 pts (5t)
Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 94 caps, 15 pts (3t)
Salmaan Moerat (DHL Stormers) – Uncapped
Marvin Orie (DHL Stormers) – 7 caps, 0 ptsLoose forwards:
Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 60 caps, 30 pts (6t)
Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 16 caps, 5 pts (1t)
Marco van Staden (Leicester Tigers) – 9 caps, 0 pts
Duane Vermeulen (Ulster) – 58 caps, 15 pts (3t)
Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 8 caps, 0 ptsUtility forward:
Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 48 caps, 5pts (1t)Scrumhalves:
Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 18 caps, 25 pts (5t)
Cobus Reinach (Montpellier) – 18 caps, 40pts (8t)
Grant Williams (Cell C Sharks) – UncappedFlyhalves:
Elton Jantjies (NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes) – 41 caps, 309 pts (2t, 64c, 56p, 1d)
Handré Pollard (Montpellier) – 57 caps, 558 pts (6t, 83c, 120p, 4d)Midfielders:
Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 23 caps, 25 pts (5t)
Damian de Allende (Munster) – 55 caps, 35 pts (7t)
Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles) – 48 caps, 60 pts (12t)Outside backs:
Aphelele Fassi (Cell C Sharks) – 2 caps, 10pts (2t)
Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 70 caps, 60 pts (12t)
Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 22 caps, 85 pts (17t)
Sbu Nkosi (Cell C Sharks) – 25 caps, 45 pts (9t)Utility backs:
Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 14 caps, 5pts (1t)
Frans Steyn (Toyota Cheetahs) – 71 caps, 141pts (11t, 7c, 21p, 3d)Castle Lager Outgoing Tour fixtures (SA kick-off times):
Saturday, 6 November
19h30 – Wales v South Africa (Principality Stadium, Cardiff)Saturday, 13 November
14h00 – Scotland v South Africa (BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh)Saturday, 20 November
17h15 – England v South Africa (Twickenham, London)
