Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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Best part for the Wallabies from that press conference was they have a coach that doesn’t blame the refs. When asked about the try where Reiko was out, he basically shrugged and said it was part of the game.
I’m concerned they got the better coach listening to them both.
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@Frank Can he be dropped for next week?
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@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
If Williams is your best ref, NZR is in bigger trouble than their poor administrative negotiation style shows
The best reffing display in NZ for 2020 happened yesterday in an NPC game and it was Angus Gardner with the whistle
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
If Williams is your best ref, NZR is in bigger trouble than their poor administrative negotiation style shows
The best reffing display in NZ for 2020 happened yesterday in an NPC game and it was Angus Gardner with the whistle
And yet...
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@rotated said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Congratulations Fozzie. You did something Henry or Hansen didn’t achieve and that is lose the first Bledisloe match against a new Wallabies coach.
Henry got one over Connolly and Hansen got one over McKenzie in their first outings though. If Fozzie has the chance to match up against another Aussie coach I'll be stunned.
The leader in the clubhouse for worst first year is Laurie Mains' and Fozzie ain't off to a good start
He doesn’t have a losing %
#silverlinings
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@rotated said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Congratulations Fozzie. You did something Henry or Hansen didn’t achieve and that is lose the first Bledisloe match against a new Wallabies coach.
Henry got one over Connolly and Hansen got one over McKenzie in their first outings though. If Fozzie has the chance to match up against another Aussie coach I'll be stunned.
The leader in the clubhouse for worst first year is Laurie Mains' and Fozzie ain't off to a good start
He doesn’t have a losing %
#silverlinings
We don't have a fixture against NSW scheduled we can lose either like in 1992. So that's another #silverlining.
(Watch them schedule one now midweek while they are there for six weeks for TRC)
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Changes I'd like to see:
BB at 10
JB at 12
Goodhew at 13
Ioane and Clarke on the wings
Jordan at fullback
Robertson as coach.@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Changes I'd like to see:
BB at 10
JB at 12
Goodhew at 13
Ioane and Clarke on the wings
Jordan at fullback
Robertson as coach.Good luck with the last one. Far too slim.
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Best part for the Wallabies from that press conference was they have a coach that doesn’t blame the refs. When asked about the try where Reiko was out, he basically shrugged and said it was part of the game.
I’m concerned they got the better coach listening to them both.
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Best part for the Wallabies from that press conference was they have a coach that doesn’t blame the refs. When asked about the try where Reiko was out, he basically shrugged and said it was part of the game.
I’m concerned they got the better coach listening to them both.
Love this, the Clown would have lost his shit over that. RIoanes try could have been awarded, its swings and roundabouts, they could have prevented the try in other ways, blaming the ref or single moments is pointless.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Changes I'd like to see:
BB at 10
JB at 12
Goodhew at 13
Ioane and Clarke on the wings
Jordan at fullback
Robertson as coach.Good luck with the last one. Far too slim.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@MN5 I did notice Fozzie had inherited more than he bargained for from Hansen.
Was Hansen coaching or Fozzie..?
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@MN5 I did notice Fozzie had inherited more than he bargained for from Hansen.
Was Hansen coaching or Fozzie..?
@antipodean said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@MN5 I did notice Fozzie had inherited more than he bargained for from Hansen.
Was Hansen coaching or Fozzie..?
I was referring to his substantial girth, not the playing style
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Our set piece saved us in that game, we stole plenty of lineout ball and got a number of scrum penalties. We also got a number of crucial penalties with Oz on our line. If Oz can fix their lineout and cleanout better we could be in a lot of trouble. I thought White was excellent with his sniping runs. Their wingers ran hard and fast, kind of like if we had Clarke and Reece/Ioane.
I didn't think the problem was our forwards, we gave away a lot of possession and some errors on D.
I do wonder if Fozzie knows any other way apart from the Hansen way considering that is the only environment he has been in for ages. I would have loved to have seen how the AB's would have played under Rennie.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Our set piece saved us in that game, we stole plenty of lineout ball and got a number of scrum penalties. We also got a number of crucial penalties with Oz on our line. If Oz can fix their lineout and cleanout better we could be in a lot of trouble. I thought White was excellent with his sniping runs. Their wingers ran hard and fast, kind of like if we had Clarke and Reece/Ioane.
I didn't think the problem was our forwards, we gave away a lot of possession and some errors on D.
I do wonder if Fozzie knows any other way apart from the Hansen way considering that is the only environment he has been in for ages. I would have loved to have seen how the AB's would have played under Rennie.
Based on that performance he's a poor man's late 2019 Hansen. I was expecting more physicality and precision, but it was the same "let's wait until they make an error and then score on the counterattack" tactic that proved so effective in Japan. I really hope he turns it around but jesus that was one of those "worst fears come true" games.
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Best part for the Wallabies from that press conference was they have a coach that doesn’t blame the refs. When asked about the try where Reiko was out, he basically shrugged and said it was part of the game.
I’m concerned they got the better coach listening to them both.
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Best part for the Wallabies from that press conference was they have a coach that doesn’t blame the refs. When asked about the try where Reiko was out, he basically shrugged and said it was part of the game.
I’m concerned they got the better coach listening to them both.
You're not the only one
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/we-got-the-better-coach-ra-chairmans-barb-at-ian-foster/
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I've calmed down a bit now, having had to go pay $430 to get my daughter's macbook fixed after she spilled water on it last week.
That whole process - forking out money to Apple :angry_face: - was more enjoyable than watching Williams referee.
And before you get going: I completed my field test with NSW Rugby and am an accredited ref so I come from a position of knowledge on this. So... yeah... suck my balls all of you armchair fucking refs
As an introductory note: how AFG missed that foot on the line will forever be a mystery. You make a living out of this Angus. The lines are nice and straight. Stick your fucking flag up. Does it make some kind of cosmic justice thing when Ioane refuses to mess up his hair while dropping the ball later? No. It does not.
Some refs - a lot of the French ones - just let players sort it out, mostly. Sometimes that can looks weird, but then they make a decision and you figure they're just keeping the threshold for intervention high i.e. they don't want to be the star attraction. Sometimes the decision made is a head scratcher but you sort of accept French people are weird and move on.
Williams tends to avoid decisions whenever he can - even when it is blindingly obvious that a decision needs to be made. In the first half Mounga gets rid of the ball and a full second later Wilson absolutely clatters him - right in front. Williams sort of puts his arm out and then does nothing. Just gets on with things. Multiple tackles from both teams go high - not dangerously so, but potential for escalation which should be ruled on early to set a marker - and he does nothing.
He rightly pings Tupou for being a shitwit at ruck time (twice
) because it is well past the back of the ruck when he finishes trying to piss off Aaron Smith (a noble pursuit). But I counted at least three times for each team where a cleanout happened from the side of the ruck and did zero.Penalises Koroibete for going off his feet when no AB was contesting the ball, then lets it go for another Wallaby player in the same situation and says nobody was contesting the ball
Of course, there are the big ones - the biggest of which is probably the two scrums later in the second half where Alalaatoa hands out a complete reaming to Karl T (who packed at an angle, pushed at an angle, and got folded into an angle on the ground), and tells the Wobs "you're not getting it", then does Sio for exactly the same thing at the next scrum. What were the fucking ARs doing while Alalaatoa was introducing Big Karl's forehead to the turf?
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the referee review. It isn't easy - I know that from personal experience even at my gumby level of refereeing. But there are head scratchers and then there is out and out inconsistency that leads to incompetence.
EDIT: oh and the 2 short arms against Australia for going early at scrum time? Every fucking ref knows that the second one is a penalty you tit.
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Some thoughts
Cane shouldn't be in front of haka, his mouth is too small.
Pat T and Ofa still have question marks about their ability to start tests.
Clark and Sotutu need to start. Lomax looked good in the closing minutes as well.
RM was really out of sorts (was it a tight 5 problem?), need to start BB.
Nick White was allowed to snipe again.....sigh..... has anyone in the coaching box seen the games last year. Why is he given so much space yet again? Shit coaching! -
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At least stuffs rating have some semblance of reality, don't look at the heralds, averaged 6 or 7 of ten!
Edit. Don't look at rugby pass, minimum is 6 most are 8, what fucking game were they watching?
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All that said: you'd have to say that is a fair result in that NEITHER team deserved to win.
Wallabies lineout and ruck work was bad. The backline had a couple of flashes running that short side, but were given a mountain of possession and achieved very little with it prior to the rain hitting. The scrum was inconsistent (even if Ofa gamed the ref into giving some short arms), and the work off the back of said scrum was ponderous.
White's long passing game was sub-par but his running was good. Option taking from Toomua was often poor. JOC was solid but not spectacular. I thought Paisami was workable and Daugunu was rocks and diamonds - that offload to DMac when he made a break was crap, but he skinned the defender a couple of times with pace and a bit of good work from his inside men. Forward pack was OK bar the lineout - I thought Matt Philip and Harry Wilson were very good on the carry.
Overall surprised Wallabies were still in it despite operating a couple gears lower than the ABs. But our handling seems to have improved bar a couple of absolutely howlers (that set move before halftime).
Speaking of whom: handling errors must have been killers for you guys. I think ?9? in the first half alone? Very much NOT like an AB team and you'd have to say the crucial one was the dropped ball over the tryline. Sorry Rieko but the game is about more than your hairstyle getting messed up, sunshine.
When they had the ball, the decision making was rapid and generally accurate from Smith but everything else was a bit meh. Besides the first try they didn't really execute a backline move with precision and there wasn't much first phase attack that really stood out. Defensively very good which you kind of expect these days.
Sam Cane was a fucking monster and easily MOTM for me. The number of times he saved the collective arse of the national pride was sublime. Honourable mentions to Harry Wilson on debut.
Both teams will be better for it, but I think barring injury we'll see an unchanged Wallaby side in Auckland while the pressure will come to bear on Foster over what he picked for today and it'll put a laser focus on what he picks next week.
The issue for AB fans is this: after a close game against the Wallabies (or * gasp * a loss) they're used to their team absolutely smashing them next time. So it is a cliff face of expectation, and I know someone like Cane will relish that.
Foster? Not so sure.
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I thought the big work on after the semi was to improve our physicality. We looked even less physical than last year.
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All that said: you'd have to say that is a fair result in that NEITHER team deserved to win.
Wallabies lineout and ruck work was bad. The backline had a couple of flashes running that short side, but were given a mountain of possession and achieved very little with it prior to the rain hitting. The scrum was inconsistent (even if Ofa gamed the ref into giving some short arms), and the work off the back of said scrum was ponderous.
White's long passing game was sub-par but his running was good. Option taking from Toomua was often poor. JOC was solid but not spectacular. I thought Paisami was workable and Daugunu was rocks and diamonds - that offload to DMac when he made a break was crap, but he skinned the defender a couple of times with pace and a bit of good work from his inside men. Forward pack was OK bar the lineout - I thought Matt Philip and Harry Wilson were very good on the carry.
Overall surprised Wallabies were still in it despite operating a couple gears lower than the ABs. But our handling seems to have improved bar a couple of absolutely howlers (that set move before halftime).
Speaking of whom: handling errors must have been killers for you guys. I think ?9? in the first half alone? Very much NOT like an AB team and you'd have to say the crucial one was the dropped ball over the tryline. Sorry Rieko but the game is about more than your hairstyle getting messed up, sunshine.
When they had the ball, the decision making was rapid and generally accurate from Smith but everything else was a bit meh. Besides the first try they didn't really execute a backline move with precision and there wasn't much first phase attack that really stood out. Defensively very good which you kind of expect these days.
Sam Cane was a fucking monster and easily MOTM for me. The number of times he saved the collective arse of the national pride was sublime. Honourable mentions to Harry Wilson on debut.
Both teams will be better for it, but I think barring injury we'll see an unchanged Wallaby side in Auckland while the pressure will come to bear on Foster over what he picked for today and it'll put a laser focus on what he picks next week.
The issue for AB fans is this: after a close game against the Wallabies (or * gasp * a loss) they're used to their team absolutely smashing them next time. So it is a cliff face of expectation, and I know someone like Cane will relish that.
Foster? Not so sure.
@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
All that said: you'd have to say that is a fair result in that NEITHER team deserved to win.
White's long passing game was sub-par but his running was good. Option taking from Toomua was often poor. JOC was solid but not spectacular. I thought Paisami was workable and Daugunu was rocks and diamonds - - I thought Matt Philip and Harry Wilson were very good on the carry.
Agree totally, whilst I wanted the win I thought the draw was a fair result. Yes, Wilson appears to be a player who just makes meters, perhaps he has that skill of knowing where to be. Daugunu appears to be a great find. I am actually really looking forward to next week to see how both teams respond. If Rennie and team can keep it close or win then you would have to say the future looks very bright.
