Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Good learning experience for the boys. Cane as a captain as well.
I’ve seen us play worst and lost. Video analysts will be working overtime this week because there’s plenty of footage for a lot of guys to show where improvements can be made.
Biggest improvement would be teaching Reiko how to score tries. If that try had been scored and we had gone into the break with a bigger lead I think we would have seen a whole different second half. But no doubt the wallabies are an exciting new team and will e beating us soon if we keep serving up more of the same
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@Derpus the foot in touch was a sliding doors moment, Ioanes brain fart, not so, half ends and we get 7 or we dont...no restart from a lineout, scrum, 22 or whatever.
As a Northland fan, I gotta say today I prefer winning ugly than drawing ugly!
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Steven-Harris said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Caleb Clark nailed down a starting position in my opinion , so strong
He nailed down a starting position before the test started. Picking Bridge ahead of him is just braindead bullshit. There's a lot of daylight between those two players.
Worse still they paired Bridge up with DMac and Jordie. We had no variety and no real power in our back three.
Exactly why I was worried about the safety first selections. We have gone backwards since 2019.
@Kirwan Backwards since 2015...
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@Chris said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@kpkanz said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Should be Dmac at full back with Clarke/Jordan on the wings.
I feel Jordies eventually going to get moved to the midfield. Doesnt offer enough as an international outside back and not enough pros to keep out the talented outside backs we have available.
Riekos easily our best center. Been in amazing form, aside from the moronic touchdown.
I don't think so Rieko was average he fell of tackles ,Got out of position on defence butchered a try he is a wing at test level not a centre.
At this point I don't really care who it is, but can we just pick a centre combo and stick with it? In the interests of having some structure and two guys who can actually be trusted then Goodhue-ALB seems like the best option, but if they want to give Ioane a serious look there whatever.
@rotated said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
At this point I don't really care who it is, but can we just pick a centre combo and stick with it?
Been saying that for 3-4 years. The combination is as important as the players IMHO.
We don't just try different combinations, we play people out of position in what seems to be some weird game of musical chairs.
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@rotated said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
At this point I don't really care who it is, but can we just pick a centre combo and stick with it?
Been saying that for 3-4 years. The combination is as important as the players IMHO.
We don't just try different combinations, we play people out of position in what seems to be some weird game of musical chairs.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
We don't just try different combinations
many years ago we did have 20+ test matches in a row when we didnt have the same pair start before Nonu-Conrad became a fixture...
Maybe Ioane/Clarke can start on either wing, JB to FB and ALB-Goodhue in the mid-field
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@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Kind of gives the Aussies the freedom to have a real crack next weekend and play without fear of losing the Bled again. They can only grow in confidence from today. Could the Eden Park record be under threat?
I'm thinking of starting a poll for Wallabies fans - which would you prefer?
Break Eden Park hoodoo and lose Bledisloe
or
Get beaten at EP but win Bledisloe
You need a third option of winning at Eden Park and Winning the Bled
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@Crucial he probably shat the bed though...
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Went in to the game and took my four year daughter. Was a great atmosphere and the extra minutes at the end just added to the experience. Will have to watch the game again this week as you miss so much at the game. Best part was some drunk lady distracted my daughter for most of the game so I actually got to watch most of it.
Couple of things on the game (though won't stand by them too closely until I've rewatched it).
Backs
DMac looked a lot better here than he did for the Chiefs. I'd still rather see one of the Barretts there but was good to see him get some form back.Jordie is way to pedestrian for wing. There was one point early in the first half where he appeared to be trying to run through quick sand.
Will be interesting to watch Reiko. He appeared to fuck up by not passing to Jordie at one stage and hogged the ball instead. And dropping the ball like he did is embarrassing and effectively lost us the game. I really wish that he'd go back to being the worlds best winger.
Bridge is so impotent. Really doesn't seem to offer much. Though that was a sweet pass that lead to Smith's try.
R'Mo looked below test level standard. Looked indecisive at times and seemed to have no confidence in the end to demand they set up for a droppie. Might be a while before he finds his feet at test level.
Ardie was no where near a test standard 8. I've got no idea why Foster (other than Foster is a fuckwit) picks two sevens in his starting trio and asks one of them to play like a big bopper 8. Sevens work best when they have constant interactions in the game.
Cane was awesome and hit attackers like a truck. Though his first game as captain had a real 2020 Chiefs feel to it.
I thought Frizell went OK. He tackled well and it's not his fault the loose forward mix is out.
Moody tackled well and Ofa hit hard but fell off a few tackles. Cody appeared to carry on his average 2019 form.
Rennie 'out coached' Foster. The OZ first half was excellent as they more often than not would have been playing into the swirling breeze. I think a stat popped up at halftime that OZ had 70% possession and territory which is clever rugby in those conditions.
Not much to say about the Wallabies other than well done and they probably deserved to win the game. I think an area they can make good improvement in is their accuracy at the breakdown. The amount of times the AB's managed to get a turnover or penalty after a Wallaby went flying/crashing over the ruck instead of actually clearing out was hilarious. Lucky for the AB's too as it meant the Wallabies couldn't build enough pressure.
Looking forward to catching this on TV and revising my opinions.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
We don't just try different combinations
many years ago we did have 20+ test matches in a row when we didnt have the same pair start before Nonu-Conrad became a fixture...
Maybe Ioane/Clarke can start on either wing, JB to FB and ALB-Goodhue in the mid-field
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
many years ago we did have 20+ test matches in a row when we didnt have the same pair start before Nonu-Conrad became a fixture...
Yeah and we ended up playing the best 15 in the world at 13. Went well.
Constant buggering around was a crap idea then, crap idea now.
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Sparky's blame game
1.NZR for choosing Ian Foster as Head Coach. There were other better options available: Razor, Jamie Joseph, Dave Rennie. They went with Foster as a "job for the boys" pick. Today our team was comprehensively outcoached.
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Ian Foster for creating a safety-first culture within the ABs. The All Blacks should be expected to win every match. Foster set up his team not to lose.
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Foster, Fox and Plumtree for selecting a number of players who were tried and found wanting in the last World Cup cycle. Young talent like Hoskins Sotutu, Caleb Clarke and Will Jordan should have started. No more selecting a team of your pals, select a team to win.
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Reiko Ioane. Know your history and learn from this. Showboating is not part of the All Blacks game. Could have been a great try. Go watch the tapes of Grant Batty, Bryan Williams, John Kirwan, Jonah Lomu and Doug Howlett scoring tries. Put the ball down with two hands carefully, then jog back to the middle.
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Richie Mo'unga. Know you history and learn from this. We lost in Cardiff in 07 and drew against the Lions in 2017 because the First Fives on the field (Luke McAlister and Aaron Cruden) were too shy to call thw drop call at the end. Spend a hour a week practising this call and its execution. We expect the ABs to win.
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Went in to the game and took my four year daughter. Was a great atmosphere and the extra minutes at the end just added to the experience. Will have to watch the game again this week as you miss so much at the game. Best part was some drunk lady distracted my daughter for most of the game so I actually got to watch most of it.
Couple of things on the game (though won't stand by them too closely until I've rewatched it).
Backs
DMac looked a lot better here than he did for the Chiefs. I'd still rather see one of the Barretts there but was good to see him get some form back.Jordie is way to pedestrian for wing. There was one point early in the first half where he appeared to be trying to run through quick sand.
Will be interesting to watch Reiko. He appeared to fuck up by not passing to Jordie at one stage and hogged the ball instead. And dropping the ball like he did is embarrassing and effectively lost us the game. I really wish that he'd go back to being the worlds best winger.
Bridge is so impotent. Really doesn't seem to offer much. Though that was a sweet pass that lead to Smith's try.
R'Mo looked below test level standard. Looked indecisive at times and seemed to have no confidence in the end to demand they set up for a droppie. Might be a while before he finds his feet at test level.
Ardie was no where near a test standard 8. I've got no idea why Foster (other than Foster is a fuckwit) picks two sevens in his starting trio and asks one of them to play like a big bopper 8. Sevens work best when they have constant interactions in the game.
Cane was awesome and hit attackers like a truck. Though his first game as captain had a real 2020 Chiefs feel to it.
I thought Frizell went OK. He tackled well and it's not his fault the loose forward mix is out.
Moody tackled well and Ofa hit hard but fell off a few tackles. Cody appeared to carry on his average 2019 form.
Rennie 'out coached' Foster. The OZ first half was excellent as they more often than not would have been playing into the swirling breeze. I think a stat popped up at halftime that OZ had 70% possession and territory which is clever rugby in those conditions.
Not much to say about the Wallabies other than well done and they probably deserved to win the game. I think an area they can make good improvement in is their accuracy at the breakdown. The amount of times the AB's managed to get a turnover or penalty after a Wallaby went flying/crashing over the ruck instead of actually clearing out was hilarious. Lucky for the AB's too as it meant the Wallabies couldn't build enough pressure.
Looking forward to catching this on TV and revising my opinions.
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now that I've read things...
I don't think we'll see mass changes for next week.
Goodhue mightn't be a 12, but he was massive on D. He gives RM someone to hit it up - if the opposition have to keep a couple of defenders in close to counter that, it could create space for RIoane.
I'd keep RIoane in for another week, he just looks lethal on attack, give him half a gap and hes gone and hard to put down. One bad read on D, and I've been waiting ages for him to fuck up a try in the manner he did (at least it wasn't a RWC final or something more significant than Game 1 of 4) ALB to stay on bench.Forwards all deserve another go, however if we're about building, I would swap in Akira for Frizzell, no real reason to, I think letting Sotutu build his way into being an AB is a better idea than just starting him for the sake of it. We still need some experience in our loosies so Savea stays.
Get Dmac the f**k outta here - poor in SRA, too small unfortunately, too many mistakes.
Bridge to 14, Clarke to 11. or the other way around who cares. Once upon a time our 14 was the big bopper and 11 was the skinny white guy.
Maybe Aumua in for Coles (he didn't bring much in the last 20)
Weber in for TJP, Beaudy on the bench (or Dmac if Achilles not 100%)Aussies looked better for not having some of the douchebags of recent years, Stephen Moore etc. Less stupid off the ball stuff, actually got on with playing properly. Nick White always seems to go great against us, so someone snot him early would ya?
Christ Foster has a job on his hands to keep his job if the AB's don't show some improvement in next 12mths. Its Game 1 of 20 that he needs to prove himself. The NZRU would also have in the back of their minds it only took the Boks 18months to right their ship, so if Razor was to take over in 2022 he'd be good to go.
Interesting times for NZ Rugby...
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I am going to defend RM a little here. It wasn't him who couldn't take the high ball in the swirling wind, it wasn't him who couldn't place the ball properly at try time and it wasn't him that conceded a try through a bad read on defence. That penalty where he failed to find touch was poor, but RM is prone to that. He is not alone there, even Carter managed to do that on a regular basis.
Those that say he can't operate behind anything other than a dominant pack are living in the past. The Crusader pack has not been dominant recently and he has still managed to win games for them. I am hoping it's a matter of time until things click for him at test level.
AB woes go deeper than RM. They stem from the inability to master the rush defence. It's been years since the BIL showed how to beat the ABs and we have yet to find a way to consistently counter it.
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now that I've read things...
I don't think we'll see mass changes for next week.
Goodhue mightn't be a 12, but he was massive on D. He gives RM someone to hit it up - if the opposition have to keep a couple of defenders in close to counter that, it could create space for RIoane.
I'd keep RIoane in for another week, he just looks lethal on attack, give him half a gap and hes gone and hard to put down. One bad read on D, and I've been waiting ages for him to fuck up a try in the manner he did (at least it wasn't a RWC final or something more significant than Game 1 of 4) ALB to stay on bench.Forwards all deserve another go, however if we're about building, I would swap in Akira for Frizzell, no real reason to, I think letting Sotutu build his way into being an AB is a better idea than just starting him for the sake of it. We still need some experience in our loosies so Savea stays.
Get Dmac the f**k outta here - poor in SRA, too small unfortunately, too many mistakes.
Bridge to 14, Clarke to 11. or the other way around who cares. Once upon a time our 14 was the big bopper and 11 was the skinny white guy.
Maybe Aumua in for Coles (he didn't bring much in the last 20)
Weber in for TJP, Beaudy on the bench (or Dmac if Achilles not 100%)Aussies looked better for not having some of the douchebags of recent years, Stephen Moore etc. Less stupid off the ball stuff, actually got on with playing properly. Nick White always seems to go great against us, so someone snot him early would ya?
Christ Foster has a job on his hands to keep his job if the AB's don't show some improvement in next 12mths. Its Game 1 of 20 that he needs to prove himself. The NZRU would also have in the back of their minds it only took the Boks 18months to right their ship, so if Razor was to take over in 2022 he'd be good to go.
Interesting times for NZ Rugby...
@westcoastie And it only took Rennie 1 game to fix the Wallabies
