Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
I dunno if it was a try, but it should have stood as a try. When the on field decision is try, the TMO has to see something clear and obvious to over rule. The amount of debate says that’s not the case, unless the TMO has better images than we get.
I think I heard them say based on the on-field decision, if it had been in Super rugby, a try would have stood, but rules are slightly different in TRC/BC?
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@taniwharugby Not that I know of. It has always been TMO needs clear and obvious to over rule ref or award try.
@Machpants ah my bad, it was just saying that was how they had looked at it in Super rugby
Referee Paul Willams had already called a try, and normally that means the TMO must have conclusive evidence to overturn the onfield decision.
Throughout Super Rugby Aotearoa and Super Rugby AU that’s how the referees have officiated, as they sought to take more ownership of the game’s decisions.
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@Machpants ah my bad, it was just saying that was how they had looked at it in Super rugby
Referee Paul Willams had already called a try, and normally that means the TMO must have conclusive evidence to overturn the onfield decision.
Throughout Super Rugby Aotearoa and Super Rugby AU that’s how the referees have officiated, as they sought to take more ownership of the game’s decisions.
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Machpants ah my bad, it was just saying that was how they had looked at it in Super rugby
You are actually correct, I think World Rugby changed it in 2018.
World Rugby will be adopting a Super Rugby position for the Autumn internationals when it comes to the TMO protocol.
The following principles were agreed following detailed consideration:
Try scoring should be an on-field decision with the referee being responsible, but the team of four can all contribute.
https://rugbyreferee.net/2018/10/05/tmo-protocol-to-change-for-autumn-internationals/
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Just out of curiosity, does the knock on of losing control of the ball precede the try? Or does the ball have to have no contact on his fingertips before it's a knock on? At what point have you lost control of the ball?
We seem to be studying the law of scoring a try, what is the actual law of losing control?
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Just out of curiosity, does the knock on of losing control of the ball precede the try? Or does the ball have to have no contact on his fingertips before it's a knock on? At what point have you lost control of the ball?
We seem to be studying the law of scoring a try, what is the actual law of losing control?
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Just out of curiosity, does the knock on of losing control of the ball precede the try? Or does the ball have to have no contact on his fingertips before it's a knock on? At what point have you lost control of the ball?
We seem to be studying the law of scoring a try, what is the actual law of losing control?
I understand not a word of this?
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@Machpants ah my bad, it was just saying that was how they had looked at it in Super rugby
Referee Paul Willams had already called a try, and normally that means the TMO must have conclusive evidence to overturn the onfield decision.
Throughout Super Rugby Aotearoa and Super Rugby AU that’s how the referees have officiated, as they sought to take more ownership of the game’s decisions.
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Just out of curiosity, does the knock on of losing control of the ball precede the try? Or does the ball have to have no contact on his fingertips before it's a knock on? At what point have you lost control of the ball?
We seem to be studying the law of scoring a try, what is the actual law of losing control?
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
At what point have you lost control of the ball?
when the ball and his hand/finger cease to be in contact.
The argument is that it touched the ground before any separation occurred, meaning it should have been a try.
All a moot point it is in the record books (or not) I bet Ioane will always remember that non-try!
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
At what point have you lost control of the ball?
when the ball and his hand/finger cease to be in contact.
The argument is that it touched the ground before any separation occurred, meaning it should have been a try.
All a moot point it is in the record books (or not) I bet Ioane will always remember that non-try!
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
At what point have you lost control of the ball?
when the ball and his hand/finger cease to be in contact.
The argument is that it touched the ground before any separation occurred, meaning it should have been a try.
All a moot point it is in the record books (or not) I bet Ioane will always remember that non-try!
It looked marginal and when you put yourself at the mercy of the TMO sometimes you get away with it and sometimes not
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@taniwharugby can anyone put up footage of him after the grounding? Did he look overjoyed or a little suss? Often the player's reaction is a big clue
@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@taniwharugby can anyone put up footage of him after the grounding? Did he look overjoyed or a little suss? Often the player's reaction is a big clue
He looked a bit suss
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Just out of curiosity, does the knock on of losing control of the ball precede the try? Or does the ball have to have no contact on his fingertips before it's a knock on? At what point have you lost control of the ball?
We seem to be studying the law of scoring a try, what is the actual law of losing control?
I understand not a word of this?
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@Rapido Yeah it was confusing. What I am asking is if it is not a try then what is it? Is it a knock on? It wasn't a knock on as his fingertips had not left the ball. Just trying to understand what the actual call was if it wasn't a try.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Rapido Yeah it was confusing. What I am asking is if it is not a try then what is it? Is it a knock on? It wasn't a knock on as his fingertips had not left the ball. Just trying to understand what the actual call was if it wasn't a try.
Yes, a knock on. 5 scrum to the defensive team.
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https://rugby365.com/countries/australia/rieko-ioane-absolved-of-blame-for-dropped-try
He acted like he scored
@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
https://rugby365.com/countries/australia/rieko-ioane-absolved-of-blame-for-dropped-try
He acted like he scored
i thought he looked sheepish until other came to him to celebrate
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@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
https://rugby365.com/countries/australia/rieko-ioane-absolved-of-blame-for-dropped-try
He acted like he scored
i thought he looked sheepish until other came to him to celebrate
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
https://rugby365.com/countries/australia/rieko-ioane-absolved-of-blame-for-dropped-try
He acted like he scored
i thought he looked sheepish until other came to him to celebrate
2.30
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
https://rugby365.com/countries/australia/rieko-ioane-absolved-of-blame-for-dropped-try
He acted like he scored
i thought he looked sheepish until other came to him to celebrate
2.30
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@broughie said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Bones to me it was a muted bounce like pressure, albeit little, was applied.
Or muted, as though it had just slipped out of the hand at close distance?
@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@broughie said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Bones to me it was a muted bounce like pressure, albeit little, was applied.
Or muted, as though it had just slipped out of the hand at close distance?
50/50 whether it was. We agree that 2 hands preferred so a muted bounce is not an issue.
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@canefan yeah,i thought that was pretty tame for him, not much reaction until he turns around
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@canefan yeah,i thought that was pretty tame for him, not much reaction until he turns around
Also telling is the reaction after the TMO decision had been announced. Almost resigned to knowing he didn’t ground the ball properly and just jogs off to the sheds with the team.
Gee I hope he hits back. Eden Park crowd will lift if Ioane scores and grounds it correctly.
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@Machpants Each to their own, but I find those clips terrible haha.
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@Machpants Each to their own, but I find those clips terrible haha.
@Stargazer You might hate his style, but it is the only in depth analysis you get now-a-days. Of actual plays/tactics/etc. Rather than the dross in mainstream media, no one else does this stuff since 1014 died a death
