New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi
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@Mokey said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
So we've had McMillan to Fulton to Ronchi.
Colour me not impressed.
Every time I think 2020 couldn't get any more fucked up something comes along to beat everything before it.
This is that moment.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall while he attempts to tell guys like KW, Rossco, Latham, Nicholls etc ( in other words guys with vastly superior records than him ) how to bat.
LR: Go out and swing from ball one, that's how I got 170 vs Sri Lanka !
KW: yeah but what about your scores before and after that ?
LR: ........
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Well they have looked outside of Canterbury.
Do we know who else was interested in the position?
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@Mokey said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
So we've had McMillan to Fulton to Ronchi.
Colour me not impressed.
Every time I think 2020 couldn't get any more fucked up something comes along to beat everything before it.
This is that moment.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall while he attempts to tell guys like KW, Rossco, Latham, Nicholls etc ( in other words guys with vastly superior records than him ) how to bat.
LR: Go out and swing from ball one, that's how I got 170 vs Sri Lanka !
KW: yeah but what about your scores before and after that ?
LR: ........
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@MN5 yeah fuck yeah. Cricket player legend Mike Hesson totally agrees that you can't coach if you didn't play any good!
@Siam said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
@MN5 yeah fuck yeah. Cricket player legend Mike Hesson totally agrees that you can't coach if you didn't play any good!
Yeah but the point I'm making is he played alongside those guys.....hes only marginally older......and considerably less talented.
I don't think it exactly spells recipe for success from the outside looking in.
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@Siam said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
@MN5 yeah fuck yeah. Cricket player legend Mike Hesson totally agrees that you can't coach if you didn't play any good!
Yeah but the point I'm making is he played alongside those guys.....hes only marginally older......and considerably less talented.
I don't think it exactly spells recipe for success from the outside looking in.
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@Siam said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
@MN5 you mean exactly like Hesson?
Hesson had years of coaching experience though ( I'm assuming, actually I know very little of him )
@MN5 said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
@Siam said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
@MN5 you mean exactly like Hesson?
Hesson had years of coaching experience though ( I'm assuming, actually I know very little of him )
Yeah he did. He coached in some odd places too. I looked it up when he got the job. Argentina and Kenya, I think, before Otago.
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@Siam said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
@MN5 yeah fuck yeah. Cricket player legend Mike Hesson totally agrees that you can't coach if you didn't play any good!
Yeah but the point I'm making is he played alongside those guys.....hes only marginally older......and considerably less talented.
I don't think it exactly spells recipe for success from the outside looking in.
@MN5 said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
@Siam said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
@MN5 yeah fuck yeah. Cricket player legend Mike Hesson totally agrees that you can't coach if you didn't play any good!
Yeah but the point I'm making is he played alongside those guys.....hes only marginally older......and considerably less talented.
I don't think it exactly spells recipe for success from the outside looking in.
Feels like Ronchi is a poor man's Craig McMillan. But you don't always need to be a great player to be a great coach. Ronchi isn't going to have to teach them how to bat, I'm not sure he can teach them anything about the mental strength side of batting based on his own time...
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Big difference between 'do as I say, not as I do' and being a specialist coach in an area which you seemed unable to coach yourself to correct your flaws.
It wasn't just lack of ability that made Ronchi a loose cannon, he often failed to do basics when required. Much like Craig McMillian -
@Mokey said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
So we've had McMillan to Fulton to Ronchi.
Colour me not impressed.
I wonder who is next - maybe old Concrete Feet Peter Ingram.
@Smudge said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
@Mokey said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
So we've had McMillan to Fulton to Ronchi.
Colour me not impressed.
I wonder who is next - maybe old Concrete Feet Peter Ingram.
You leave him alone. He was NZs own Sehwag/Gayle rolled into one....
Well, he was as long as the bowling was shit
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Big difference between 'do as I say, not as I do' and being a specialist coach in an area which you seemed unable to coach yourself to correct your flaws.
It wasn't just lack of ability that made Ronchi a loose cannon, he often failed to do basics when required. Much like Craig McMillian@Crucial said in New BC batting coach: Luke Ronchi:
Big difference between 'do as I say, not as I do' and being a specialist coach in an area which you seemed unable to coach yourself to correct your flaws.
It wasn't just lack of ability that made Ronchi a loose cannon, he often failed to do basics when required. Much like Craig McMillianI dunno.
My overall impression of Ronchi's international career (whiteball only) was quite a selfless role player. Come in at 7 and absolutely go for it from ball one. He was successful for a long time, quite transformation from an NZ POV IMO.
He had a huge slump at the end of his career. Was that because he failed to do basics or failed to correct flaws? Or because he was fulfilling the team strategy he was selected for, regardless - but was either terribly out of form or time had caught up with him.
Not sure what the batting coach does, exactly. Comes up with strategies? (like v spin on tour or white ball plans etc) Or deconstructs players technically an rebuilds them? Probably not the latter.
Interestingly. Fulton played at test level with almost the entire top 6 he was then coach for, and was the worst of them.
A thing that gives me an element of confidence that Ronchi gives batting some thought. Impressed with his ability to know the gaps and develop shots to take advantage of those gaps.
- If bowled length - over the top of backward point to the gap between sweeper and third-man (even if he's cramped for room).
- If bowled full - over the bowlers head (even if its a wide yorker).
If you come in at 7 in the 40th over, almost 100% those are 2 of the 5 boundary gaps. From ball one if the ball was there, and he knew the gaps were there, he would take it on. So, good team player in my mind.
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Somehow I'm mates (spent a bit of time) with several high profile coaches in Oz, including the Oz assistant.
The attitude of " how good of a player were you" doesn't seem relevant to their work with the players. Bear in mind that these players have had scores of coaches throughout all their lives so the assessment of said coaches doesn't really rely on their past as players beyond the first week of contact.
Darren Berry one day explained to me the offer he was pursuing from the Auckland Aces. Low low money and with covid standing in the way of getting family to nz for a bit suggests that pretty much nz coaching staff must come from within, I'd suggest
But good luck Luke, like rapido says, he was a selfless player (mostly opened for WA) and our fielding was exemplary when he had the gloves - there's something in that.
