Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November
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Well, that's that. Probably a reflection of the two sides right now - Aus slightly better at home playing a R+R AB outfit that gets disjointed and in a broken game.
Ioane Brothers looked a class above. well done mum and dad Ioane,
Red cards ... well I'm shaking my head. Will watch both again today, but they are game wrecking decisions that seem to be dished out randomly.
TJP - since Lions 3 where he flapped around at the base of the game winning scrum and let Lions steal the ball because he was seagulling, his form has been on the slide. He i sa truely remarkable rugby player, but not playing well as a halfback at the moment. Like Laumape, shining at Super but not really transitioning to Tests.
Winner: Aussie Rugby
Losers: ABs, and rugby watchers (with cards up the wazoo).The Barrett Boys seem to be having consistent brain explosions that cost us test matches. Scott should get himself banned from Aus, and feel better about things as a result. Two trips in Black, two losses due to cards. FFS.
Overall, the lack of mental strength is a concern for me. We keep making poor decisions - it feels like 07 could creep up again (although we aren't as dominant as that side)
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Overall, the lack of mental strength is a concern for me. We keep making poor decisions - it feels like 07 could creep up again (although we aren't as dominant as that side)
It’s hard to compare at this stage given we are only a season after the last RWC, what we will be like in 2023.
Unless you are comparing last night to 2004 when we lost at Ellis Park and the Boks ran up what seemed like a cricket score against us?
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Overall, the lack of mental strength is a concern for me. We keep making poor decisions - it feels like 07 could creep up again (although we aren't as dominant as that side)
It’s hard to compare at this stage given we are only a season after the last RWC, what we will be like in 2023.
Unless you are comparing last night to 2004 when we lost at Ellis Park and the Boks ran up what seemed like a cricket score against us?
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Overall, the lack of mental strength is a concern for me. We keep making poor decisions - it feels like 07 could creep up again (although we aren't as dominant as that side)
It’s hard to compare at this stage given we are only a season after the last RWC, what we will be like in 2023.
Unless you are comparing last night to 2004 when we lost at Ellis Park and the Boks ran up what seemed like a cricket score against us?
Nope, I've been concerned since the Lions tour to be honest. Lions 1 was dominant, but SBW had a brain fart in 2, and then we choked in a few areas in 3. Since then we struggled with the Irish in Chicago, and just didn't show up in RWC SF last year, or Bled 1, or Bled 4. It's becoming a pattern I think.
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Oh yeah and what the actual fuck. Perenara having one of the worst games an AB has played in years AND YOU FUCKEN LEAVE HIM ON THE WHOLE GAME. Were the Aussies hotboxing our coaches box?
While I'm on it, did I see Grace packing down at the last scrum? What an absolute cu nt move, sending a kid on for his debut to pack a scrum in a losing match after time is up.
Lastly, seems we overloaded on Barretts. Not enough Barrett juice to cover all 3. Looks like 2 is the limit.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
A few random thoughts:
- it's pretty clear we don't have the depth to rest any of our top players, particularly A Smith and Coles. Fair enough that we did but shit some of the next tier down got exposed.
- TJP's form has gone the same way Cowan's did, right off a fucking cliff and he's become a liability. He's always been inconsistent, showing glimpses of being world class, but has never able to put back to back performances together. It just seems to be consistently bad now. Weber is a fucking liability as well though so we definitely have a gap to fill there.
- we also really need Clarke to fill a gap on the wing, and Sotutu to fill a gap at 8. Both rookies but both specialists and have oodles of class.
- Ardie was really good, but it's so blindingly obvious he isn't an 8 and he's best used from the bench wrecking havoc at the end of the match.
- midfield didn't work and I didn't really think it would. JG, ALB and Rieko are our first choice covering 12 and 13 IMO. Rieko probably still off the bench until he really finds his feet at centre at test level.
- Akira was fucking awesome, we actually lost a lot of shape when he went off. His work rate was high and he was super effective in contact. Wobs must have been extremely pleased to see the back of him after the red.
- both reds were pretty silly. Sure you can tell players to just go low, but then you basically take the dominant tackle out of the game. At the end of the day rugby is a contact sport and you're going to get some accidental contact to the head every now and then. Red carding players for that is completely over the top and ruins the spectacle.
- fucking SB and that dumb as fuck YC. I was calling for a red as it was that fucking idiotic. That's the kind of play that makes you think he can't be trusted in a big test.
- BB was not good, but I'm really not sure how RM would have gone given the pile of shit that was served up. Jury still out but RM/BB 10/15 combo has had the most success so far.
Agree with all of this and will add...
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Nick Berry made it the referee show very early on - along with some selective decisions at times.
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The AB-collectively played dumb. Headless chooks, passes going to ground, combo's/timing not quite there.
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Beaudy will get a clip in the media, but I don't think having RM would've made a difference. BB did some good things, Jordie was still available to be a second playmaker & kicker. BB tackled hard, made metres post contact, tried hard.
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I would've subbed off Sevu Reece instead of Akira in hindsight - the game became attritional in the end - Akira would've offered more plus had we know Australia would lose their 6, it would've made that forward battle interesting.
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I also blame Australia for being Australia. Never give those fluffy bunnies a chance.
@westcoastie said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
- I would've subbed off Sevu Reece instead of Akira in hindsight - the game became attritional in the end - Akira would've offered more plus had we know Australia would lose their 6, it would've made that forward battle interesting.
I said exactly the same thing to the people I was watching the game with.
Losing Akira also meant Grace became a spare part on the bench because Cane and Savea weren't going to be replaced early.
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Why is Beauden getting a pass? World player of the year, senior all black back in his preferred position, and we are happy to accept that pile of shit and blame the forwards? They weren't the ones who decided on the defensive cross kick with no overlap for example.
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Oh yeah and what the actual fuck. Perenara having one of the worst games an AB has played in years AND YOU FUCKEN LEAVE HIM ON THE WHOLE GAME. Were the Aussies hotboxing our coaches box?
While I'm on it, did I see Grace packing down at the last scrum? What an absolute cu nt move, sending a kid on for his debut to pack a scrum in a losing match after time is up.
Lastly, seems we overloaded on Barretts. Not enough Barrett juice to cover all 3. Looks like 2 is the limit.
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Oh yeah and what the actual fuck. Perenara having one of the worst games an AB has played in years AND YOU FUCKEN LEAVE HIM ON THE WHOLE GAME. Were the Aussies hotboxing our coaches box?
While I'm on it, did I see Grace packing down at the last scrum? What an absolute cu nt move, sending a kid on for his debut to pack a scrum in a losing match after time is up.
Lastly, seems we overloaded on Barretts. Not enough Barrett juice to cover all 3. Looks like 2 is the limit.
Re TJP, it really was odd that they didn't sub him. I would even have supported him being pulled and Dmac taking over at 9
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Will be interesting to see what any post-match judiciary process does with the cards.
I think we'll see suspensions in the low end at worst, reduced for being good chaps of outstanding character and early guilty pleas, written apologies etc
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Will be interesting to see what any post-match judiciary process does with the cards.
I think we'll see suspensions in the low end at worst, reduced for being good chaps of outstanding character and early guilty pleas, written apologies etc
Are suspensions mandatory for reds these days? Seems odd, would have thought missing 70 mins of a game would be sufficient punishment
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@westcoastie said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
- I would've subbed off Sevu Reece instead of Akira in hindsight - the game became attritional in the end - Akira would've offered more plus had we know Australia would lose their 6, it would've made that forward battle interesting.
I said exactly the same thing to the people I was watching the game with.
Losing Akira also meant Grace became a spare part on the bench because Cane and Savea weren't going to be replaced early.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Will be interesting to see what any post-match judiciary process does with the cards.
I think we'll see suspensions in the low end at worst, reduced for being good chaps of outstanding character and early guilty pleas, written apologies etc
Are suspensions mandatory for reds these days? Seems odd, would have thought missing 70 mins of a game would be sufficient punishment
@voodoo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Will be interesting to see what any post-match judiciary process does with the cards.
I think we'll see suspensions in the low end at worst, reduced for being good chaps of outstanding character and early guilty pleas, written apologies etc
Are suspensions mandatory for reds these days? Seems odd, would have thought missing 70 mins of a game would be sufficient punishment
No they aren't - an appearance in front of the judiciary is tho. And your point is basically what I was trying to get at (it was 58 minutes for Ofa, 47 minutes for Swinton) in that they'll put a little black mark on their records and probably reduce it to a warning.
Neither man will want to appear again in the next year or two or the "good guy in a bad situation" defence won't cover it.
DISCLAIMER: this is the judiciary so ...
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Why is Beauden getting a pass? World player of the year, senior all black back in his preferred position, and we are happy to accept that pile of shit and blame the forwards? They weren't the ones who decided on the defensive cross kick with no overlap for example.
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Why is Beauden getting a pass? World player of the year, senior all black back in his preferred position, and we are happy to accept that pile of shit and blame the forwards? They weren't the ones who decided on the defensive cross kick with no overlap for example.
Actually read other posts. He's definitely not getting a pass. Thing is that the number 9 had a shocker for the ages. Also bit difficult to blame BB for the forwards stuffing up the lineout at the end of the first half. We score then we probably win.
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Why is Beauden getting a pass? World player of the year, senior all black back in his preferred position, and we are happy to accept that pile of shit and blame the forwards? They weren't the ones who decided on the defensive cross kick with no overlap for example.
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Why is Beauden getting a pass? World player of the year, senior all black back in his preferred position, and we are happy to accept that pile of shit and blame the forwards? They weren't the ones who decided on the defensive cross kick with no overlap for example.
He needs to get those silly kicks out of his game. He tends to generally kick away too much good ball away even when he's playing at fullback.
But I am more concerned about his missed tackles. I think he missed 3 in the 2nd half last night. It's becoming a weekly occurrence now. With BB and RM on the field together, our attack improves but our defence certainly becomes weaker.
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@Bovidae
It's strange, obviously they feel 6 is the least important player on the field but this is the second time they've subbed off a 6 after a red and lost.@mofitzy_ said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bovidae
It's strange, obviously they feel 6 is the least important player on the field but this is the second time they've subbed off a 6 after a red and lost.Taking off your blindside seems to be the done thing when you lose a prop. Dunno why - but when your skipper is 7 and your 8 is one of the more effective ball runners you have (Savea was making yards in contact all night after Swinton went off).
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Did Aumua get on the field ?
Always interesting scanning a thread the next day on a game you didn’t watch.
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Did Aumua get on the field ?
Always interesting scanning a thread the next day on a game you didn’t watch.
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@reprobate said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Why is Beauden getting a pass? World player of the year, senior all black back in his preferred position, and we are happy to accept that pile of shit and blame the forwards? They weren't the ones who decided on the defensive cross kick with no overlap for example.
Actually read other posts. He's definitely not getting a pass. Thing is that the number 9 had a shocker for the ages. Also bit difficult to blame BB for the forwards stuffing up the lineout at the end of the first half. We score then we probably win.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Why is Beauden getting a pass? World player of the year, senior all black back in his preferred position, and we are happy to accept that pile of shit and blame the forwards? They weren't the ones who decided on the defensive cross kick with no overlap for example.
Actually read other posts. He's definitely not getting a pass. Thing is that the number 9 had a shocker for the ages. Also bit difficult to blame BB for the forwards stuffing up the lineout at the end of the first half. We score then we probably win.
I guess the reality is most 10s including beaudy struggle in that scenario,
Dan carter is a once in a lifetime player of which we may not see again for a long time if again , and unfortunately for the ones that follow , that has become the benchmark.
Beaudy is an awesome front foot player , probably the best out there, but there are some flaws that get exposed when it’s not going that way .
But the same could be said for mounga .
It’s either rm 10 bb 15 , or bb10 jb 15 ,
I think we will get complaints either way
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Why is Beauden getting a pass? World player of the year, senior all black back in his preferred position, and we are happy to accept that pile of shit and blame the forwards? They weren't the ones who decided on the defensive cross kick with no overlap for example.
Actually read other posts. He's definitely not getting a pass. Thing is that the number 9 had a shocker for the ages. Also bit difficult to blame BB for the forwards stuffing up the lineout at the end of the first half. We score then we probably win.
I guess the reality is most 10s including beaudy struggle in that scenario,
Dan carter is a once in a lifetime player of which we may not see again for a long time if again , and unfortunately for the ones that follow , that has become the benchmark.
Beaudy is an awesome front foot player , probably the best out there, but there are some flaws that get exposed when it’s not going that way .
But the same could be said for mounga .
It’s either rm 10 bb 15 , or bb10 jb 15 ,
I think we will get complaints either way
@kiwiinmelb said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I guess the reality is most 10s including beaudy struggle in that scenario,
Dan carter is a once in a lifetime player of which we may not see again for a long time if again , and unfortunately for the ones that follow , that has become the benchmark.
Beaudy is an awesome front foot player , probably the best out there, but there are some flaws that get exposed when it’s not going that way .
I don't recall many instances where Carter played in an AB game on the back foot
Pretty handy forward pack he had most of the time. But generally speaking he could also assist with that by making the right play and getting them moving again if it was a tough day at the office. -
@westcoastie said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
- I would've subbed off Sevu Reece instead of Akira in hindsight - the game became attritional in the end - Akira would've offered more plus had we know Australia would lose their 6, it would've made that forward battle interesting.
I said exactly the same thing to the people I was watching the game with.
Losing Akira also meant Grace became a spare part on the bench because Cane and Savea weren't going to be replaced early.
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@westcoastie said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
- I would've subbed off Sevu Reece instead of Akira in hindsight - the game became attritional in the end - Akira would've offered more plus had we know Australia would lose their 6, it would've made that forward battle interesting.
I said exactly the same thing to the people I was watching the game with.
Losing Akira also meant Grace became a spare part on the bench because Cane and Savea weren't going to be replaced early.
Foster on that 'we had to lose a lose forward' why? Didn't work last time, didn't work this time. Lose a winger
