Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November
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@Kiwiwomble based on what I have seen in this years M10 Cup, Fakatava and Nock would be the 9's I'd like to see more of, but sadly both have had limited chances at Super level for various reasons, although being back up at your Super team doesnt always stop you getting into the big kids team!
Fakatava has a good passing game and very strong defensively, Nock has a great passing game, kicking game is up there, very quick and seems to be defending more this year too.
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Kiwiwomble based on what I have seen in this years M10 Cup, Fakatava and Nock would be the 9's I'd like to see more of, but sadly both have had limited chances at Super level for various reasons, although being back up at your Super team doesnt always stop you getting into the big kids team!
Fakatava has a good passing game and very strong defensively, Nock has a great passing game, kicking game is up there, very quick and seems to be defending more this year too.
What's made A Smith so great is that he does the fundamentals so well. When he first entered the team, he had basically no running game and his box kicking was still very much a work in progress. But, the excellence of his passing game, and the way it made the players outside him better, meant that we could afford to have some quite "limited" at halfback. Obviously, since then, A Smith has been able to build a solid running game and kicking and added a bit of play making ability too. Now he's probably universally recognised as our best ever halfback - all built on an outstanding passing game.
In short, where I am getting to is that we need to identify the young guy with a similarly strong passing game and, to the extent necessary, build other skills on top of that foundation over time. What we definitely don't need are any "4th loose forward" type halfbacks who will just end up taking time and space away from the excellent players outside him. (OK maybe that's a nice squad option to have for wet conditions.)
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Kiwiwomble based on what I have seen in this years M10 Cup, Fakatava and Nock would be the 9's I'd like to see more of, but sadly both have had limited chances at Super level for various reasons, although being back up at your Super team doesnt always stop you getting into the big kids team!
Fakatava has a good passing game and very strong defensively, Nock has a great passing game, kicking game is up there, very quick and seems to be defending more this year too.
What's made A Smith so great is that he does the fundamentals so well. When he first entered the team, he had basically no running game and his box kicking was still very much a work in progress. But, the excellence of his passing game, and the way it made the players outside him better, meant that we could afford to have some quite "limited" at halfback. Obviously, since then, A Smith has been able to build a solid running game and kicking and added a bit of play making ability too. Now he's probably universally recognised as our best ever halfback - all built on an outstanding passing game.
In short, where I am getting to is that we need to identify the young guy with a similarly strong passing game and, to the extent necessary, build other skills on top of that foundation over time. What we definitely don't need are any "4th loose forward" type halfbacks who will just end up taking time and space away from the excellent players outside him. (OK maybe that's a nice squad option to have for wet conditions.)
@junior lets not forget it had been a long time since we had a 9 with a great pass and the workrate of Smith, who knew his role was to clear the ball from every ruck, we had 4th loose forward 9's for many years, so Smith was a bit of a revelation at the time
I always go to that comeback v Ireland where SMith's pass and workrate was crucial to that last several minutes that lead to the try.
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@junior lets not forget it had been a long time since we had a 9 with a great pass and the workrate of Smith, who knew his role was to clear the ball from every ruck, we had 4th loose forward 9's for many years, so Smith was a bit of a revelation at the time
I always go to that comeback v Ireland where SMith's pass and workrate was crucial to that last several minutes that lead to the try.
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@junior lets not forget it had been a long time since we had a 9 with a great pass and the workrate of Smith, who knew his role was to clear the ball from every ruck, we had 4th loose forward 9's for many years, so Smith was a bit of a revelation at the time
Bachop was very good at clearing the ball from memory. We then had Marshall, Byron, Piri, TJ that were more physical players. I think the current game demands quick accurate passing and box kicks, these are two of the most important features of a test 9. Unfortunately, TJ lacks both. I really hope one of our young 9's can step up. Guess it is hard when TJ and Smith have pretty much locked up 2/5 franchises for years.
I don't hear much talk about Hall and Drummond yet they have been involved in one of the best functioning teams in a long time.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Kiwiwomble based on what I have seen in this years M10 Cup, Fakatava and Nock would be the 9's I'd like to see more of, but sadly both have had limited chances at Super level for various reasons, although being back up at your Super team doesnt always stop you getting into the big kids team!
Fakatava has a good passing game and very strong defensively, Nock has a great passing game, kicking game is up there, very quick and seems to be defending more this year too.
What's made A Smith so great is that he does the fundamentals so well. When he first entered the team, he had basically no running game and his box kicking was still very much a work in progress. But, the excellence of his passing game, and the way it made the players outside him better, meant that we could afford to have some quite "limited" at halfback. Obviously, since then, A Smith has been able to build a solid running game and kicking and added a bit of play making ability too. Now he's probably universally recognised as our best ever halfback - all built on an outstanding passing game.
In short, where I am getting to is that we need to identify the young guy with a similarly strong passing game and, to the extent necessary, build other skills on top of that foundation over time. What we definitely don't need are any "4th loose forward" type halfbacks who will just end up taking time and space away from the excellent players outside him. (OK maybe that's a nice squad option to have for wet conditions.)
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foster had a quick pass too.
When you have world class 10's then just getting them the ball on the front foot has to be the priority...if your 10 is "acceptable" then you might need someone with some other options
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@Tim said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@junior Time for a poll:
http://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4300/best-passing-young-halfback
booth and christie are both 26 arent they, only a couple of years younger than TJ
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@Tim said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@junior Time for a poll:
http://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4300/best-passing-young-halfback
booth and christie are both 26 arent they, only a couple of years younger than TJ
@Kiwiwomble Post it on the thread!
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@Tim said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@junior Time for a poll:
http://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4300/best-passing-young-halfback
booth and christie are both 26 arent they, only a couple of years younger than TJ
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Tim said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@junior Time for a poll:
http://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4300/best-passing-young-halfback
booth and christie are both 26 arent they, only a couple of years younger than TJ
good call - Smith 31, TJP 28, Booth 26, Nock 24, Fakatava 20
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Ofa does need a technique adjustment. He is fairly tall. Tall enough that if he is standing in his normal braced position to push off for hit it doesnt take much of a dip or other interference for the aim to get high.
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Ofa does need a technique adjustment. He is fairly tall. Tall enough that if he is standing in his normal braced position to push off for hit it doesnt take much of a dip or other interference for the aim to get high.
Yep. Tackle technique is down to the individual, and I don't think the players height is an excuse. You don't see Whitelock, BBBR, etc getting regularly penalised/carded for high tackles.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Ofa does need a technique adjustment. He is fairly tall. Tall enough that if he is standing in his normal braced position to push off for hit it doesnt take much of a dip or other interference for the aim to get high.
Yep. Tackle technique is down to the individual, and I don't think the players height is an excuse. You don't see Whitelock, BBBR, etc getting regularly penalised/carded for high tackles.
@Bovidae said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Ofa does need a technique adjustment. He is fairly tall. Tall enough that if he is standing in his normal braced position to push off for hit it doesnt take much of a dip or other interference for the aim to get high.
Yep. Tackle technique is down to the individual, and I don't think the players height is an excuse. You don't see Whitelock, BBBR, etc getting regularly penalised/carded for high tackles.
Yep. You don’t see them standing upright with slightly bent knees waiting to put in a shoulder.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
and i absolutely don't disagree with that. I have a problem with a tackle gone wrong being the same punishment as a full-blooded punch. I am very aware i am in the minority there though
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
and i absolutely don't disagree with that. I have a problem with a tackle gone wrong being the same punishment as a full-blooded punch. I am very aware i am in the minority there though
Is it a tackle gone wrong though? Does he look like a guy in a position to make a tackle, or look like a guy in a position to get a good shoulder on someone's chops? He's turned his head away too, which certainly can't help.
So Ofa gets a red, but probably not a lot else in terms of suspension. Dollars to doughnuts he won't forget that and will be working to change.
If he'd straight up punched him instead, do you really think the punishment would have been the same? I don't.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
and i absolutely don't disagree with that. I have a problem with a tackle gone wrong being the same punishment as a full-blooded punch. I am very aware i am in the minority there though
Is it a tackle gone wrong though? Does he look like a guy in a position to make a tackle, or look like a guy in a position to get a good shoulder on someone's chops? He's turned his head away too, which certainly can't help.
So Ofa gets a red, but probably not a lot else in terms of suspension. Dollars to doughnuts he won't forget that and will be working to change.
If he'd straight up punched him instead, do you really think the punishment would have been the same? I don't.
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@junior lets not forget it had been a long time since we had a 9 with a great pass and the workrate of Smith, who knew his role was to clear the ball from every ruck, we had 4th loose forward 9's for many years, so Smith was a bit of a revelation at the time
I always go to that comeback v Ireland where SMith's pass and workrate was crucial to that last several minutes that lead to the try.
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@junior lets not forget it had been a long time since we had a 9 with a great pass and the workrate of Smith, who knew his role was to clear the ball from every ruck, we had 4th loose forward 9's for many years, so Smith was a bit of a revelation at the time
I always go to that comeback v Ireland where SMith's pass and workrate was crucial to that last several minutes that lead to the try.
Couldn't agree more on both fronts.
We would not have won that match without Smith's quick passing at the death, which simply did not give the Irish defence any time to properly set and repel our attack.
Separately, there's a reason why people still remember and talk fondly about G Bachop.
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Fuck I hate this hometown replay crap!
Where were the endless replays of the high hit on Cane earlier?
But fuck you are dumb SB!
@Gunner said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Fuck I hate this hometown replay crap!
Where were the endless replays of the high hit on Cane earlier?
But fuck you are dumb SB!
I missed this at the ground. Completely missed it.
Thought the crowd was whinging at play being called back for a knock on by White.
Then I saw a caption on the big screen about being off feet and SB wandering off.
Will need to look at the recording.
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Clear YC
Ha. Consecutive posts:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Clear YC
@number9 said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
How the hell is that a yellow?
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@Bones The problem is both scenarios hurt the team equally. I have no issue with a player being suspended or dealt with after the game, but that players brain fart ultimately fucks the team and the spectacle.
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones The problem is both scenarios hurt the team equally. I have no issue with a player being suspended or dealt with after the game, but that players brain fart ultimately fucks the team and the spectacle.
So blame the player! You can't convince me that was a brain fart. As I said, imagine how good that hit would have been if Ofa lined him up like he lines up a scrum? If Ofa bends over and actually watches, there's no problem here. But he doesn't, he goes for the big high shot and turns his head away.
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@Steven-Harris said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Australia have deserved this victory
Not done yet
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Steven-Harris said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Australia have deserved this victory
Not done yet
Funny. The Aussies around us were grumbling that the ABs will still win this 9 points up with 4 to play ...
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones The problem is both scenarios hurt the team equally. I have no issue with a player being suspended or dealt with after the game, but that players brain fart ultimately fucks the team and the spectacle.
So blame the player! You can't convince me that was a brain fart. As I said, imagine how good that hit would have been if Ofa lined him up like he lines up a scrum? If Ofa bends over and actually watches, there's no problem here. But he doesn't, he goes for the big high shot and turns his head away.
@Bones Yeah, I do agree with you the more I think about it, the fact he made the hit, and he didn't lower his body position suggests he took a calculated risk and ultimately got it wrong. He should not have made the hit without lowering his body position in the first place.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Steven-Harris said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Australia have deserved this victory
Not done yet
Funny. The Aussies around us were grumbling that the ABs will still win this 9 points up with 4 to play ...
@booboo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Steven-Harris said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Australia have deserved this victory
Not done yet
Funny. The Aussies around us were grumbling that the ABs will still win this 9 points up with 4 to play ...
Fat ladies
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@Gunner said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Fuck I hate this hometown replay crap!
Where were the endless replays of the high hit on Cane earlier?
But fuck you are dumb SB!
I missed this at the ground. Completely missed it.
Thought the crowd was whinging at play being called back for a knock on by White.
Then I saw a caption on the big screen about being off feet and SB wandering off.
Will need to look at the recording.
