Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November

[pakman]

@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@pakman care to elaborate?

Sneaky hands on ball at ruck is obvious one.

Isn't that a "not so sneaky" case we're talking about? Seems to get penalised a lot and would be YC'd in similar circumstances I'm sure.

Should really think about that before responding, but biggest difference was doing it 'in broad daylight'. Hands in bottom of ruck 40 metres out seldom yields yellow card?

[Bones]

@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@pakman care to elaborate?

Sneaky hands on ball at ruck is obvious one.

Isn't that a "not so sneaky" case we're talking about? Seems to get penalised a lot and would be YC'd in similar circumstances I'm sure.

Should really think about that before responding, but biggest difference was doing it 'in broad daylight'. Hands in bottom of ruck 40 metres out seldom yields yellow card?

We seldom see it done so recklessly and stupidly. If a guy is just going to mess up a breakdown with such brazen disregard just because, I'm happy to see him get punished further regardless of where it occurs. Play like that should be stamped out, obviously the threat of a penalty wasn't enough for stupido.

[pakman]

@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

Anyone know where us UK Ferners can watch 'missing' minutes 54-59?

Here’s a preview

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Found it:

Reece drops kick off.

BB fails to put clearance in stands. Quick throw and Wobs advance to five yards out. Rieko and ALB inside out in defence. Scrum.

Savea reaches into scrum as Tupou splits Hodgman off.

Box kick from next ruck not out. Knock on by Wobs.

Scrum. Tupou/Bell destroy AB front row. Penalty. 14-15.

So :face_with_open_mouth_cold_sweat: :face_vomiting: :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

That is why Karl T is in squad. And why Nepo gets into my 23 against Pumas.

[Machpants]

@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@Machpants I don’t think it’s just mine, I think serval had said he deserves it

I guess my starting point is deliberate things, and yes sometimes it’s hard to tell, but deliberate things should cop a harsher penalty

Yeah I didn't mean you specifically, because it's my opinion too. I meant is not how the offence had been punished in any other game I've seen before.

[pakman]

Man in front of kicker?

[Crazy Horse]

@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

Man in front of kicker?

Going to need arrows and lines drawn on it mate. Holds no credence around here otherwise.

[Bovidae]

@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

Man in front of kicker?

If that is the kickoff after Vaa'i's try, half the Wallaby team was offside.

[pakman]

@Bovidae said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

Man in front of kicker?

If that is the kickoff after Vaa'i's try, half the Wallaby team was offside.

Hodge missed penalty at around 64th minute.

[taniwharugby]

@pakman man in front of the kicker at restarts has been a thing for years now...seems officials let some of those things go now, similarly hookers with thier feet over the sideline at lineouts

[Bovidae]

@pakman OK, have a look at the kickoff I am referring to.

[Bovidae]

Wallabies rookie Lachlan Swinton has been suspended for four weeks for his red card.

The All Blacks will fight Ofa Tu'ungafasi’s case before a Sanzaar judicial committee hearing on Tuesday night but the prop is facing a ban after his red card.

All Blacks coach Ian Foster is hopeful of a positive outcome for Tu’ungafasi and they will argue his case before a hearing at 7pm on Tuesday (NZ time) via video conference, chaired by Robert Stelzner SC, Lawrence Sephaka and José Luis Rolandi.

I'd say Ofa won't be available for either Arg test.

[taniwharugby]

@Bovidae yeah you'd think his will be the equal of Swinton, only lessening factor is he used his arms, whereas Swinton didnt, but the head contact with Ofa's was worse, so I think 4 weeks will be about right.

[taniwharugby]

Funny article...

The fact that he singles out Cully, JK, Kearns and Horan, yet barely Marshalls comment is more a passing comment

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/123346767/all-blacks-greats-sir-john-kirwan-and-christian-cullen-slammed-in-uk-for-disgraceful-attitude-to-red-cards

[antipodean]

@taniwharugby somewhere there's always a whining Irishman.

[NTA]

@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@pakman man in front of the kicker at restarts has been a thing for years now...seems officials let some of those things go now, similarly hookers with thier feet over the sideline at lineouts

Compare the pair:
"Just let the game flow, ref. We're not here to watch you blow up technicalities!"
Versus
"Aw fucken cheating Aussies a metre offside at the restart!"

[taniwharugby]

@NTA it is still a thing for Grant Fox re the Hooker standing on the sideline when throwing...I was gonna bring it up at an event last year he was speaking at, but someone else beat me to it haha

[NTA]

@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

the head contact with Ofa's was worse,

Thought the impact was about the same in terms of contact, speed, and effect. Difference being tackler was moving fast in Swinton's case and not much in Ofa's case

[canefan]

@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

the head contact with Ofa's was worse,

Thought the impact was about the same in terms of contact, speed, and effect. Difference being tackler was moving fast in Swinton's case and not much in Ofa's case

In real time I thought Swinton's looked worse. League style shoulder charge as opposed to Ofa making a late effort with arms around a falling attacker. Both walked away fine so it was a shame the ref went to RCs, especially as the first decision gave him zero wiggle room

[Snowy]

@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@NTA it is still a thing for Grant Fox re the Hooker standing on the sideline when throwing...I was gonna bring it up at an event last year he was speaking at, but someone else beat me to it haha

We've actually had the discussion before. It came down to the definition of the "field of play". The touchline is out so if the hooker's feet are touching the chalk then he is out of the field and it is legit. Think it was Damo (ref) who said how it is interpreted / ruled.

Still looks wrong and yes some of them aren't "on" the line but inside it at times.

[Nepia]

@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:

@Machpants I don’t think it’s just mine, I think serval had said he deserves it

I guess my starting point is deliberate things, and yes sometimes it’s hard to tell, but deliberate things should cop a harsher penalty

Scott of the Barrett's deliberately interfered with the ball, while on the ground at a ruck. Deliberate professional foul so the ref was correct to yellow card him. There's no law in rugby that says teams have to be warned before being given a yellow card.

@Machpants I think if you look back through games you'll find similar stupid incidents like this getting yellow cards.