Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November
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@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@pakman man in front of the kicker at restarts has been a thing for years now...seems officials let some of those things go now, similarly hookers with thier feet over the sideline at lineouts
Had it been a penalty which went over, should the TMO have pointed out to ref that men were in front?
No, that would be ridiculous. As with any offside, the referee should interpret if it had any impact on the play itself. Clearly in this instance it did not.
Had the ball clattered off the post and Hooper regained the ball or made a covering tackle then it's definitely a penalty though.
@barbarian said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@pakman man in front of the kicker at restarts has been a thing for years now...seems officials let some of those things go now, similarly hookers with thier feet over the sideline at lineouts
Had it been a penalty which went over, should the TMO have pointed out to ref that men were in front?
No, that would be ridiculous. As with any offside, the referee should interpret if it had any impact on the play itself. Clearly in this instance it did not.
Had the ball clattered off the post and Hooper regained the ball or made a covering tackle then it's definitely a penalty though.
It's not "offside".
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@Kiwiwomble maybe Gardner has colour blindness to pink?
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Kiwiwomble maybe Gardner has colour blindness to pink?
BTW. Pink boots.
Lining up for the anthem I only saw pink as a colour. Maybe I'm colour blind.
Around a quarter or so had pink, the rest seemed to be black (or at least non noticeable).
Would be an interesting exercise to check correlation with hair colour.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Kiwiwomble maybe Gardner has colour blindness to pink?
BTW. Pink boots.
Lining up for the anthem I only saw pink as a colour. Maybe I'm colour blind.
Around a quarter or so had pink, the rest seemed to be black (or at least non noticeable).
Would be an interesting exercise to check correlation with hair colour.
@booboo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Kiwiwomble maybe Gardner has colour blindness to pink?
BTW. Pink boots.
Lining up for the anthem I only saw pink as a colour. Maybe I'm colour blind.
Around a quarter or so had pink, the rest seemed to be black (or at least non noticeable).
Would be an interesting exercise to check correlation with hair colour.
Which one of Jordie or Beauden is dying their hair light brown?
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@booboo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Man in front of kicker?
Yeah, that gets my Grumpy Old Man back up too.
Years ago, when I used to ride my dinosaur to rugby whilst I was playing for Eden, one of the second division clubs (may have been College Rifles or Tamaki or some such) were denied a victory over Marist (complete with Brooke brothers, Kirwan, Wright and other illuminati) because some poor bloke was fractionally ahead of the 40m+ winning penalty.
It happens at touch finding penalties and kick offs all.da.time.
Pisses me off.
It's cheating and lazy.
I suppose I've become a bit blaise, but I do agree.
And in a world where the TMO checks everything it seems incongruous that, had kick gone over, no questions would have been asked.
Unless away team and Hometown TV replayed ten times! :astonished_face:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@booboo said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Man in front of kicker?
Yeah, that gets my Grumpy Old Man back up too.
Years ago, when I used to ride my dinosaur to rugby whilst I was playing for Eden, one of the second division clubs (may have been College Rifles or Tamaki or some such) were denied a victory over Marist (complete with Brooke brothers, Kirwan, Wright and other illuminati) because some poor bloke was fractionally ahead of the 40m+ winning penalty.
It happens at touch finding penalties and kick offs all.da.time.
Pisses me off.
It's cheating and lazy.
I suppose I've become a bit blaise, but I do agree.
And in a world where the TMO checks everything it seems incongruous that, had kick gone over, no questions would have been asked.
Unless away team and Hometown TV replayed ten times! :astonished_face:
Out of interest, checked the Hodge long ranger which did land, and Hoooooopaaa was careful to stay behind.
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Some random thoughts following a belated rewatching of last 30:
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A key difference was that Oz put 10 on us when we had yellow, and we were outscored when Koroibete off! A heinous failure to take anything from last minute or two of first half on Wobblie goal line.
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Oz 22 exits were excellent. Ours were muddled, apart from one howitzer from Giraffe.
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All Barretts very mixed bags. Good, bad and ugly.
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Not sure Laumape did much wrong, although impact much less than hoped for. I'd have kept him and swapped Reece, who was error prone.
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Around 60 mark AB forwards weren't getting to the rucks. One led to penalty which Hodge missed.
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Subs by both sides at 50 swung game Oz's way.
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In last 13 the big territory gains by both sides were upshot of soft penalties -- Scooter/Aumua high tackle/Bell intereference with Weber at ruck (77).
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Tupou.
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Backline much better when Weber came on. His service got things moving. And assist for last try.
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ABs very sloppy.
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Might have been different if Karl kept on another 10/Laumape stayed and Reece off/TJP subbed around the 65.
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Jordan HIA had unusual impact in that made it difficult to bring Vaa'i on after Scooter yellow, because no back reserves left. Otherwise maybe Jordan off and DMac to come on at 77.
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Some random thoughts following a belated rewatching of last 30:
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A key difference was that Oz put 10 on us when we had yellow, and we were outscored when Koroibete off! A heinous failure to take anything from last minute or two of first half on Wobblie goal line.
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Oz 22 exits were excellent. Ours were muddled, apart from one howitzer from Giraffe.
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All Barretts very mixed bags. Good, bad and ugly.
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Not sure Laumape did much wrong, although impact much less than hoped for. I'd have kept him and swapped Reece, who was error prone.
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Around 60 mark AB forwards weren't getting to the rucks. One led to penalty which Hodge missed.
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Subs by both sides at 50 swung game Oz's way.
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In last 13 the big territory gains by both sides were upshot of soft penalties -- Scooter/Aumua high tackle/Bell intereference with Weber at ruck (77).
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Tupou.
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Backline much better when Weber came on. His service got things moving. And assist for last try.
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ABs very sloppy.
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Might have been different if Karl kept on another 10/Laumape stayed and Reece off/TJP subbed around the 65.
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Jordan HIA had unusual impact in that made it difficult to bring Vaa'i on after Scooter yellow, because no back reserves left. Otherwise maybe Jordan off and DMac to come on at 77.
@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some random thoughts following a belated rewatching of last 30:
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A key difference was that Oz put 10 on us when we had yellow, and we were outscored when Koroibete off! A heinous failure to take anything from last minute or two of first half on Wobblie goal line.
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Oz 22 exits were excellent. Ours were muddled, apart from one howitzer from Giraffe.
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All Barretts very mixed bags. Good, bad and ugly.
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Not sure Laumape did much wrong, although impact much less than hoped for. I'd have kept him and swapped Reece, who was error prone.
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Around 60 mark AB forwards weren't getting to the rucks. One led to penalty which Hodge missed.
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Subs by both sides at 50 swung game Oz's way.
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In last 13 the big territory gains by both sides were upshot of soft penalties -- Scooter/Aumua high tackle/Bell intereference with Weber at ruck (77).
-
Tupou.
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Backline much better when Weber came on. His service got things moving. And assist for last try.
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ABs very sloppy.
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Might have been different if Karl kept on another 10/Laumape stayed and Reece off/TJP subbed around the 65.
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Jordan HIA had unusual impact in that made it difficult to bring Vai'i on after Scooter yellow, because no back reserves left. Otherwise maybe Jordan off and DMac to come on at 77.
yeah, ive been happy to give Laumape a bit of a pass on that game, hard for a 12 to do much when the 9 is having a bad one and the 10 is completely missing, he was basically having to start stuff flat footed but with the rush defence in his face
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@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some random thoughts following a belated rewatching of last 30:
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A key difference was that Oz put 10 on us when we had yellow, and we were outscored when Koroibete off! A heinous failure to take anything from last minute or two of first half on Wobblie goal line.
-
Oz 22 exits were excellent. Ours were muddled, apart from one howitzer from Giraffe.
-
All Barretts very mixed bags. Good, bad and ugly.
-
Not sure Laumape did much wrong, although impact much less than hoped for. I'd have kept him and swapped Reece, who was error prone.
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Around 60 mark AB forwards weren't getting to the rucks. One led to penalty which Hodge missed.
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Subs by both sides at 50 swung game Oz's way.
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In last 13 the big territory gains by both sides were upshot of soft penalties -- Scooter/Aumua high tackle/Bell intereference with Weber at ruck (77).
-
Tupou.
-
Backline much better when Weber came on. His service got things moving. And assist for last try.
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ABs very sloppy.
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Might have been different if Karl kept on another 10/Laumape stayed and Reece off/TJP subbed around the 65.
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Jordan HIA had unusual impact in that made it difficult to bring Vai'i on after Scooter yellow, because no back reserves left. Otherwise maybe Jordan off and DMac to come on at 77.
yeah, ive been happy to give Laumape a bit of a pass on that game, hard for a 12 to do much when the 9 is having a bad one and the 10 is completely missing, he was basically having to start stuff flat footed but with the rush defence in his face
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some random thoughts following a belated rewatching of last 30:
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A key difference was that Oz put 10 on us when we had yellow, and we were outscored when Koroibete off! A heinous failure to take anything from last minute or two of first half on Wobblie goal line.
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Oz 22 exits were excellent. Ours were muddled, apart from one howitzer from Giraffe.
-
All Barretts very mixed bags. Good, bad and ugly.
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Not sure Laumape did much wrong, although impact much less than hoped for. I'd have kept him and swapped Reece, who was error prone.
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Around 60 mark AB forwards weren't getting to the rucks. One led to penalty which Hodge missed.
-
Subs by both sides at 50 swung game Oz's way.
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In last 13 the big territory gains by both sides were upshot of soft penalties -- Scooter/Aumua high tackle/Bell intereference with Weber at ruck (77).
-
Tupou.
-
Backline much better when Weber came on. His service got things moving. And assist for last try.
-
ABs very sloppy.
-
Might have been different if Karl kept on another 10/Laumape stayed and Reece off/TJP subbed around the 65.
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Jordan HIA had unusual impact in that made it difficult to bring Vai'i on after Scooter yellow, because no back reserves left. Otherwise maybe Jordan off and DMac to come on at 77.
yeah, ive been happy to give Laumape a bit of a pass on that game, hard for a 12 to do much when the 9 is having a bad one and the 10 is completely missing, he was basically having to start stuff flat footed but with the rush defence in his face
I couldn't quite see the reason for the dissing on Laumape apart from him not being a standout. Agree with the comment above.
If your 9 is having a bad one nothing works (including an effect on BB)
I would like to think that BB, as the recipient of crap to deal with and as a senior player, would have let the coaches know. -
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My observation of the game on second viewing is how good our kicking game was, and how average the AB kicking game was.
That was in many ways the winning and losing of the game, and followed the script from game 1 - we used our kicking game to advantage and to limit the AB broken field opportunities. Some of BB and JB's kicks were really average, especially in the final 20.
Compare that to game 3 where our kicking was abysmal and the ABs scored three (or more?) tries directly from kicks.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some random thoughts following a belated rewatching of last 30:
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A key difference was that Oz put 10 on us when we had yellow, and we were outscored when Koroibete off! A heinous failure to take anything from last minute or two of first half on Wobblie goal line.
-
Oz 22 exits were excellent. Ours were muddled, apart from one howitzer from Giraffe.
-
All Barretts very mixed bags. Good, bad and ugly.
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Not sure Laumape did much wrong, although impact much less than hoped for. I'd have kept him and swapped Reece, who was error prone.
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Around 60 mark AB forwards weren't getting to the rucks. One led to penalty which Hodge missed.
-
Subs by both sides at 50 swung game Oz's way.
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In last 13 the big territory gains by both sides were upshot of soft penalties -- Scooter/Aumua high tackle/Bell intereference with Weber at ruck (77).
-
Tupou.
-
Backline much better when Weber came on. His service got things moving. And assist for last try.
-
ABs very sloppy.
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Might have been different if Karl kept on another 10/Laumape stayed and Reece off/TJP subbed around the 65.
-
Jordan HIA had unusual impact in that made it difficult to bring Vai'i on after Scooter yellow, because no back reserves left. Otherwise maybe Jordan off and DMac to come on at 77.
yeah, ive been happy to give Laumape a bit of a pass on that game, hard for a 12 to do much when the 9 is having a bad one and the 10 is completely missing, he was basically having to start stuff flat footed but with the rush defence in his face
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some random thoughts following a belated rewatching of last 30:
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A key difference was that Oz put 10 on us when we had yellow, and we were outscored when Koroibete off! A heinous failure to take anything from last minute or two of first half on Wobblie goal line.
-
Oz 22 exits were excellent. Ours were muddled, apart from one howitzer from Giraffe.
-
All Barretts very mixed bags. Good, bad and ugly.
-
Not sure Laumape did much wrong, although impact much less than hoped for. I'd have kept him and swapped Reece, who was error prone.
-
Around 60 mark AB forwards weren't getting to the rucks. One led to penalty which Hodge missed.
-
Subs by both sides at 50 swung game Oz's way.
-
In last 13 the big territory gains by both sides were upshot of soft penalties -- Scooter/Aumua high tackle/Bell intereference with Weber at ruck (77).
-
Tupou.
-
Backline much better when Weber came on. His service got things moving. And assist for last try.
-
ABs very sloppy.
-
Might have been different if Karl kept on another 10/Laumape stayed and Reece off/TJP subbed around the 65.
-
Jordan HIA had unusual impact in that made it difficult to bring Vai'i on after Scooter yellow, because no back reserves left. Otherwise maybe Jordan off and DMac to come on at 77.
yeah, ive been happy to give Laumape a bit of a pass on that game, hard for a 12 to do much when the 9 is having a bad one and the 10 is completely missing, he was basically having to start stuff flat footed but with the rush defence in his face
Thoughts on Laumape. Felt he was flat footed often, so didn't have momentum with possession. Didn't see him running with pace. That may well be a function of what was happening inside him.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@pakman said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Some random thoughts following a belated rewatching of last 30:
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A key difference was that Oz put 10 on us when we had yellow, and we were outscored when Koroibete off! A heinous failure to take anything from last minute or two of first half on Wobblie goal line.
-
Oz 22 exits were excellent. Ours were muddled, apart from one howitzer from Giraffe.
-
All Barretts very mixed bags. Good, bad and ugly.
-
Not sure Laumape did much wrong, although impact much less than hoped for. I'd have kept him and swapped Reece, who was error prone.
-
Around 60 mark AB forwards weren't getting to the rucks. One led to penalty which Hodge missed.
-
Subs by both sides at 50 swung game Oz's way.
-
In last 13 the big territory gains by both sides were upshot of soft penalties -- Scooter/Aumua high tackle/Bell intereference with Weber at ruck (77).
-
Tupou.
-
Backline much better when Weber came on. His service got things moving. And assist for last try.
-
ABs very sloppy.
-
Might have been different if Karl kept on another 10/Laumape stayed and Reece off/TJP subbed around the 65.
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Jordan HIA had unusual impact in that made it difficult to bring Vai'i on after Scooter yellow, because no back reserves left. Otherwise maybe Jordan off and DMac to come on at 77.
yeah, ive been happy to give Laumape a bit of a pass on that game, hard for a 12 to do much when the 9 is having a bad one and the 10 is completely missing, he was basically having to start stuff flat footed but with the rush defence in his face
Thoughts on Laumape. Felt he was flat footed often, so didn't have momentum with possession. Didn't see him running with pace. That may well be a function of what was happening inside him.
@booboo thats what i felt almost exactly...a wrecking ball needs some momentum to do what it does
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3 week suspension for Ofa.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
3 week suspension for Ofa.
or "3 MONTHS!!!!!" if you are Fox Sports Australia
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
3 week suspension for Ofa.
Awaiting with glee the salt due to ABs getting the weeks, Wallaby getting four....
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
3 week suspension for Ofa.
Awaiting with glee the salt due to ABs getting the weeks, Wallaby getting four....
@Machpants No arms from Swinton will have that effect...
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Funny article...
The fact that he singles out Cully, JK, Kearns and Horan, yet barely Marshalls comment is more a passing comment
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Funny article...
The fact that he singles out Cully, JK, Kearns and Horan, yet barely Marshalls comment is more a passing comment
NZ rugby must never ever ever listen to the crap that comes from UK rugby pundits.
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is Alan Quinlan a UK rugby pundit? Doesn't he write for the Independent but .ie and played for Ireland?
And wasn't he cited for gouging about 10 years ago? -
is Alan Quinlan a UK rugby pundit? Doesn't he write for the Independent but .ie and played for Ireland?
And wasn't he cited for gouging about 10 years ago?@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
is Alan Quinlan a UK rugby pundit? Doesn't he write for the Independent but .ie and played for Ireland?
And wasn't he cited for gouging about 10 years ago?Correct. All of the above.
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Just watched the first half recording.
Some thoughts.
I don't see where TJ was as bad as made out.
Beauden's kicking was as bad as I remember.
Have some questions about the reffing:
- Reece penalty for playing on the ground (I think) after following up a box kick that Koroibete dropped cold was crap: wasn't tackled, won the ball, placed it back
- White threw two forward passes in one movement and not called (called it live at the ground but seems he didn't hear me)
- should he not have YC'ed the (2nd) early drive on Savea just before half time? It was immediately after Koroibete got marched, but am wondering if the yellow cancels the warning, or if it should be considered a continuation of the string of cheating ...
Obstruction.
Aussies did a LOT of it.
Especially on our chasers of kick offs and box kicks.
Wasn't even subtle.
Noticed it live but just remembered it now after watching some of the replay.
Wasn't quite as noticeable on TB but it was outright blatant.
We may have done similar, but I didn't notice coz I wasn't looking for it.
Also, have an issue (and have for a long time) with two lines of offense when the pass goes behind the first line and they keep running into the defensive line.
Perhaps a rant for a whole new thread, but maybe there's a need for a law amendment such that if the ball goes/is behind you you can't keep moving forward. Need to think that one through further ...
